sandalz wrote: »

Ikarus wrote: »

While a sorces are whining big time, i thought the moment is right to ask why nightblades are the only class who have no selfheal or damageshield. This is a real problem in PvP...

They have the Siphoning tree. That's plenty of self heals. And, under the Assassin tree, Reapers Mark, which heals you when you kill an opponent, and Killer's Blade, which used to heal if you killed someone with it, now heals if opponent dies within 2 seconds of use.. And, if you go Shadow Tree, every time you use a Shadow spell, you get a damage shield. They have plenty to work with.

There's a reason I main as a NB.

Sphinx2318 wrote: »

because you have excellent escapes.

Dazin93 wrote: »

ZOS_ShannonM wrote:

Hello folks,
We see that there is a lot of feedback on sorcerers so we are closing this thread so that we can consolidate all the feedback in one place. Please visit this thread for any feedback on sorcerers. This will allow the feedback to reach the devs in a single place. As always we appreciate all feedback, good and bad, but ask that you keep your posts civil, constructive, and on topic.
Thank you for understanding.

As there is a lot of feedback on nightblades in this thread, please close it so that it can be consolidated with the other class feedback in the PTS forum as I am sure these posters want their feedback to reach the devs. Thank you for understanding

Cody wrote: »

/sigh

ok peeps, its time to unleash a horrid truth upon you all; I have played a NB since beta, so what I am about to say is the truth. I am going to go thru each and every heal/damage shield y'all are telling us to use. This may be a long post, so grab your popcorn and get ready(panda, who seems to enjoy mocking me:) must be because he is jealous of my awesomeness:D)

shadow cloak

this ability works literally <30% of the time(I don't know how to do the "less than or equal" symbol on a keyboard:() sometimes it breaks for no reason, sometimes our own DoTs break it, sometimes it works for exactly 0.1 seconds; sometimes it won't even activate yet still cost the mana. A magicka based NB may be able to spam it, but not stamina NBs. Lets not forget the fact the freaking potion works better than the actual ability itself. If it were not for dark cloak, there would be no reason to use shadow cloak. It is not our "invincibility skill" even if it worked every time like it should, its only 3 seconds max, which can even be broken by a detect pot. Stop trying to pass it off as our "get out of jail free card" it is not.

all the siphoning skills, strife, sap essence, leeching strikes, etc.

strife and sap essence give OK heals at best, even then, for MAGICKA BUILDS ONLY. A stamina NB IS NOT GOING TO BENEFIT FROM STRIFE. Sap essence healing, according to what I have heard(have yet to test or see it myself) has been reduced, but even before 1.6 it only ever gave good heals when hitting multiple enemies at once. It was not, nor ever, was it a reliable self heal for an everyday situation. Leeching strikes restores TWO PERCENT per LIGHT AND/OR HEAVY ATTACK. TWO. PERCENT. LIGHT. OR. HEAVY. ATTACK. How is this a reliable self heal? Y'all cannot really be sitting there, having played Nightblades(which I assume y'all have since y'all are acting so knowledgeable about the class) and really be saying, that leeching strikes is a reliable self heal. Don't believe me? then ignore the stats on paper, slot the dang thing, and give it a go; see how useless leeching strikes is.

Vigor/Momentum
yes these are self heals(stamina in fact:)) but these are not NIGHTBLADE self heals. These are TWO HANDED AND ALLIANCE WAR SKILL LINE SELF HEALS. (heck 95% of this PvP community won't have vigor for the next 5 months anyhow, so im counting out Vigor.) This means the NB has to use skills outside of their class sets just to have a self heal; this shoudl not be the case. I should nto be forced to use a weapon or a skilline from outside my classes skilllines to have a reliable self heal;

Killers blade/mark target.

these are great self heals, but there is a problem.... YOU HAVE TO KILL YOUR ENEMIES TO GET THE HEALING. THIS DOES NOT WORK IN PVP. why? Because its not a "save heal" it only works WHEN YOU HAVE ALREADY WON THE BATTLE; what if you don't win? What if your opponent does not just lay down and die and actually fights back? What if your opponent gets you to low health? What will you do? drink a potion? yeah, good luck with the 45 second cooldown and the removal of catalyst. Resto staff heals? that would work, but not every NB uses a resto staff(ill get to that later) so what? Relying on a self heal that requires you to already win the fight, thereby getting the heal, when you don't even need it heck in fact, these are USELESS in big boss battles/1v1s. THEY DO NOT KEEP YOU SUSTAINED, therefore, they are not RELIABLE self heals. next up: damage shields

Damage shields
so lets go over y'alls idea for the NB "damage shield"

Blur; no. just no. A miss chance is not equal to a full on damage shield. The extra armor is nice, but that is not a damage shield. I am tired of people trying to pass off Blur as the role of a damage shield; it does not fill the role; if y'all have actually played NBs and slotted and tried the ability, y'all would know this.(and again, I hope y'all have actually played a NB, even if its only for a short amount of time)

So what can a NB do for a damage shield? lets go over that.

Brawler, 2H

this DS sucks, its only good for PvE group killing, useless in PvP, it lasts one hit per enemy hit, so it goes down instantly.

shield charge; not a big shield, not even noticeable really, at least I never notice it

hardened ward

the resto staff magicka damage shield. Great damage shield, but it forces the NB to use a weapon skill just to get a damage shield(similar to the brawler and shield charge DS problems) the other three classes have their own damage shields; NBs should as well. a NB should not be forced to use a resto staff just to get their hands on a damage shield. The undaunted one is a godsend for stamina builds everywhere, not just NB stamina builds, so im leaving bone shield(or whatever its called) alone

Annulment

LA damage shield, only blocks spell damage, AND forces the NB to use LA to get it to its full effectiveness. Why should NBs be forced to use stuff they may not want to use to get Damage shields? why is this OK with people?

So NBs have to use stuff they may not want to use just to get self heals and damage shields, and y'alls excuse for it? "NBs have mark target and killers blade" again, does not sustain one in a fight, and, therefore, is UNRELIABLE.

"NBs have siphoning skills" only "good" for magicka based NBs, and even then they all suck. Strife especially; which heals based on 25% of the damage done(not even all of the damage done, just a quarter of it) and the block cast/damage shield stack meta makes it very difficult to make this heal work, and again, ONLY "GOOD" FOR MAGICKA NB BUILDS. Sap essence only works well in large groups, and leeching strikes restores a pathetic 2% per light and heavy attack ONLY. USELESS UNRELIABLE SELF HEALS.

NBs don't even have damage shields at all, they are forced to use weapons and armors they may not even want to use just to get their hands on a damage shield(same for self heals in fact) Why shoudl NBs be forced to use a resto staff or another skill line altogether to get a damage shield, yet the other three classes do not? Why is this fair?

"cloak is the NB get out of jail free card"

again, IT IS NOT. It works only 30% or less of the time; breaking on DoTS, breaking when near a keep, breaking after 0.5 seconds, breaking after 0.1 seconds, breaking when near ENEMIES, as in PLAYERS, not even turning the caster invisible sometimes, yet STILL COSTING THE MANA FOR THE USE, basically, it does not work; and if anyone says it does, they are lying or just VERY VERY LUCKY. and again, even if it did work 100% of the time, its a 2.9(may as well say 3) second invisibility spell, which is broken by a detection potion, which has a big range and a decent radius. If it was not for dark cloak, shadow cloak would be useless.

That it? did I miss anything? don't think so.

alright, that's the end of this long post that i'm sure most of y'all did not even read all the way thru(:D) im going to let y'all dwell in all of your ignorance and foolishness, hopefully y'all don;t stop ZOS from giving the NB class what it needs, but it, unfortunately, may be too late:(

oh and by "y'all" I mean the ones saying "NBs don't need a self heal/damage shield" I don't mean literally every person in this thread.

alright, goodnight all.

ThatNeonZebraAgain wrote: »

Sphinx2318 wrote: »

because you have excellent escapes.

How I wish we still had the LOL tag. We will see if the 1.6 fixes actually make Dark Cloak useful more than ~30% of the time.

Nijjion wrote: »

ThatNeonZebraAgain wrote: »

Sphinx2318 wrote: »

because you have excellent escapes.

How I wish we still had the LOL tag. We will see if the 1.6 fixes actually make Dark Cloak useful more than ~30% of the time.

30% chance of escape is still ok odds... not sure if it would be balanced if it was a sure escape method...

If DKs/Temps are in sticky situations we have 0 escapes.

sandalz wrote: »

Ikarus wrote: »

While a sorces are whining big time, i thought the moment is right to ask why nightblades are the only class who have no selfheal or damageshield. This is a real problem in PvP...

They have the Siphoning tree. That's plenty of self heals. And, under the Assassin tree, Reapers Mark, which heals you when you kill an opponent, and Killer's Blade, which used to heal if you killed someone with it, now heals if opponent dies within 2 seconds of use.. And, if you go Shadow Tree, every time you use a Shadow spell, you get a damage shield. They have plenty to work with.

There's a reason I main as a NB.

SickDuck wrote: »

Nijjion wrote: »

ThatNeonZebraAgain wrote: »

Sphinx2318 wrote: »

because you have excellent escapes.

How I wish we still had the LOL tag. We will see if the 1.6 fixes actually make Dark Cloak useful more than ~30% of the time.

30% chance of escape is still ok odds... not sure if it would be balanced if it was a sure escape method...

If DKs/Temps are in sticky situations we have 0 escapes.

Why would you need an escape when you can keep your health up with heals and avoid/reflect damage?

Tamanous wrote: »

Spangla wrote: »

Tamanous wrote: »

They have self heals.

"Do you even ESO bro?"

LOL - Are you classing funnel health as a self heal? ha any1 who blocks constantly, um that's everyone, negates the heal to like 10 which is not as much as standard regeneration.,.... Oh and sap essence, gone because nb's arn't allowed a good skill.

Did you even read this thread? Many have posted in detail about how many heals and mitigation options there are for the class ... and you reply (PAGES after I posted) that funnel f'ing health is their self heal? I even posted how NB can drop block against any opponent!

You do not make yourself out to sound very intelligent by friend. Work on that.