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Why is nightblade the only class without a Damageshield or a Selfheal?

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Ikarus
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While a sorces are whining big time, i thought the moment is right to ask why nightblades are the only class who have no selfheal or damageshield. This is a real problem in PvP...
  • onlinegamer1
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    Same reason why DKs are the only class without an Execute.

    Because, reasons.
  • Tamanous
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    They have self heals.

    "Do you even ESO bro?"
    Edited by Tamanous on March 3, 2015 7:41PM
  • ThatNeonZebraAgain
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    We relied on good self-heals in the form of enhanced potions, but not any more.

    It appears that nuance was lost on ZOS when they replaced our Catalyst (and Argonians' Amphibious) passive with crappy alternatives.

    But, with the new Mirage, we get Major Evasion+Minor Ward, so some form of (physical) damage avoidance.
    Edited by ThatNeonZebraAgain on March 3, 2015 7:42PM
    Gore-of-the-Forest Argonian Nightblade
    Wode Earthrender Breton Dragonknight
    Ceol the Last Baron Redguard Dragonknight
    Wayra High Elf Sorceress
    Erebain Salothran Dark Elf Templar
    Rituals-of-the-Forest Argonian Warden
  • Sphinx2318
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    because you have excellent escapes.
  • AltusVenifus
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    Ikarus wrote: »
    While a sorces are whining big time, i thought the moment is right to ask why nightblades are the only class who have no selfheal or damageshield. This is a real problem in PvP...

    They have plenty of self heals... Granted they are all pretty bad.
  • ThatNeonZebraAgain
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    Tamanous wrote: »
    They have self heals.

    "Do you even ESO bro?"

    Yes, HoTs that heal based on damage dealt (no great for stamina users and a disadvantage against burst damage) and a heal based on how many enemies you hit (not good for less than 5 enemies, but then you're taking more damage anyways), and heals based on when a target dies (not reliable in PvP or useful in boss fights).
    Gore-of-the-Forest Argonian Nightblade
    Wode Earthrender Breton Dragonknight
    Ceol the Last Baron Redguard Dragonknight
    Wayra High Elf Sorceress
    Erebain Salothran Dark Elf Templar
    Rituals-of-the-Forest Argonian Warden
  • Pchela
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    Prepatch 1.6 I did quite well with the potion boost passive from NB siphoning and the alchemist crafter boost as well, paired up with strife. We shall see what happens for 1.6. There's also a morph of Blur (Mirage) from the Assassin's line that now grants Minor Resolve buff. Blur used to be sorta meh, so interested to see how it will work out.

    edit: forgot about reaper's mark, which is also getting a cost reduction I believe.
    Edited by Pchela on March 3, 2015 7:46PM
  • ThatNeonZebraAgain
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    Sphinx2318 wrote: »
    because you have excellent escapes.

    How I wish we still had the LOL tag. We will see if the 1.6 fixes actually make Dark Cloak useful more than ~30% of the time.
    Gore-of-the-Forest Argonian Nightblade
    Wode Earthrender Breton Dragonknight
    Ceol the Last Baron Redguard Dragonknight
    Wayra High Elf Sorceress
    Erebain Salothran Dark Elf Templar
    Rituals-of-the-Forest Argonian Warden
  • AltusVenifus
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    Sphinx2318 wrote: »
    because you have excellent escapes.

    lol.
  • danovic
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    The hole siphon line is self heals and invisibility is your shield.
  • Tamanous
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    Magicka NB has plenty of healing and shield options. Stamina NB can take bone shield and benefit from the major stamina buffs this patch.

    Both builds can maintain permanent major ward and major resolve. Both can vanish (not perfect yet but better this patch than last) and fear.

    Use your damn tools before "patch notes whining"/
  • phreatophile
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    Sphinx2318 wrote: »
    because you have excellent escapes.

    LOL! A 2.9sec duration skill that almost never lasts it's full pathetically short timer.
  • ThatNeonZebraAgain
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    danovic wrote: »
    The hole siphon line is self heals and invisibility is your shield.

    Damn I would be getting such good use out of the LOL button today...
    Gore-of-the-Forest Argonian Nightblade
    Wode Earthrender Breton Dragonknight
    Ceol the Last Baron Redguard Dragonknight
    Wayra High Elf Sorceress
    Erebain Salothran Dark Elf Templar
    Rituals-of-the-Forest Argonian Warden
  • Tamanous
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    phreatophile wrote: »
    Sphinx2318 wrote: »
    because you have excellent escapes.

    LOL! A 2.9sec duration skill that almost never lasts it's full pathetically short timer.

    It drops block.

    Best result of this thread is that the bad NBs quit there class and move on to being bad with another class. Biggest perk of every major patch.



  • technohic
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    I am not a NB other than my several attempts to level one as an alt; but I really hope their goal is to NOT make them like the other classes with a direct self heal and some sort of shield or armor spam. I just hope they fix and improve what is there. I always see the abilities and think they sound great but find from trying and reading NBs post that they apparently are not so great and could use a lot of improvements.

    That said; I also see plenty of very effective NBs without all the extra crap.
  • Samadhi
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    Ikarus wrote: »
    While a sorces are whining big time, i thought the moment is right to ask why nightblades are the only class who have no selfheal or damageshield. This is a real problem in PvP...

    Nightblade has no damage shield, but does have one (mediocre) self-heal; Refreshing Path.

    It is not worth using, but it is the only instance of a Nightblade skill that provides healing on themself (a self-heal) without needing to do damage to, or kill, a target (life-steal).

    Refreshing Path needs major buffs to be a viable self-heal though.
    "If you want others to be happy, practice compassion. If you want to be happy, practice compassion." -- the 14th Dalai Lama
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    Lost girls find a way.
  • Deheart
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    Granted I havn't played PvP hardly at all with any of my alts, but for PvE I rely on strife for self heal, and it is pretty effective.
    As a casual player I was satisfied that at one point I had a char max level and near max crafting with almost all motifs and I pretty much lost interest. Then ESO discovered DLC's and now my main is just a wanabe and I am happily pulled back into the game.
  • psufan5
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    Siphon + resto staff = good heal of time. Also, sap essence to deal your damage and give you additional heals.

    Healing on the stamina side is basically not there though.
    Surgical Incision
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  • psufan5
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    danovic wrote: »
    The hole siphon line is self heals and invisibility is your shield.

    Doesn't work on boss mobs or anyone with detect stealth up.
    Surgical Incision
    Former Emperor
    USPS4
  • Vunter
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    Damage shields:
    -Bone shield
    -Resto staff ward

    Heals:
    -Swallow soul
    -Mighty resto staff skills
    Pink Army PVP guild! (Ebonheart Pact)
  • unintendedgeekb14_ESO
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    All I read was, "WAH! Why can't I faceroll/zerg? WAH!"
    Adorable Vampire Kitty Assassin since 2013
  • AlnilamE
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    Have you tried using the new Mark Target? I'm going to have that on my bar all the time!

    Also, our job is to kill them before they have a chance to hurt us. :-P
    The Moot Councillor
  • phreatophile
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    unintendedgeekb14_ESO wrote: »
    All I read was, "WAH! Why can't I faceroll/zerg? WAH!"

    LOL
  • Nifty2g
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    no self heal? wat
    #MOREORBS
  • Vis
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    Ikarus wrote: »
    While a sorces are whining big time, i thought the moment is right to ask why nightblades are the only class who have no selfheal or damageshield. This is a real problem in PvP...

    Since you decided to bring sorcs into this, I will gladly advocate NBs getting a 1.3 cast time heal that costs 4k magicka. It's the least I can do.
    v14 Sorc Vae Exillis
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  • Samadhi
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    Vis wrote: »
    Ikarus wrote: »
    While a sorces are whining big time, i thought the moment is right to ask why nightblades are the only class who have no selfheal or damageshield. This is a real problem in PvP...

    Since you decided to bring sorcs into this, I will gladly advocate NBs getting a 1.3 cast time heal that costs 4k magicka. It's the least I can do.

    So the Shade Summon gets a burst heal added now?

    Totally approve.
    "If you want others to be happy, practice compassion. If you want to be happy, practice compassion." -- the 14th Dalai Lama
    Wisdom is doing Now that which benefits you later.
    Lost girls find a way.
  • Joy_Division
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    Really? I thought the weak NB narrative was debunked back in August.
    Make Rush of Agony "Monsters only." People should not be consecutively crowd controlled in a PvP setting. Period.
  • olemanwinter
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    Because we are the only class with stealth.


    ...oh wait. nvm.
  • TheBucket
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    Bone Shield

    150% Stamina Regen Build

    2H/Sword and Board

    You will thank me later when i post the build
    William Reignes
    Magic Nightblade - Rogue Bomber
    Creator of Thirsty Thief Build (Retired 1.5)
  • Samadhi
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    TheBucket wrote: »
    Bone Shield

    150% Stamina Regen Build

    2H/Sword and Board

    You will thank me later when i post the build

    This is referring to the build that @xsorusb14_ESO posted about here, right?
    "If you want others to be happy, practice compassion. If you want to be happy, practice compassion." -- the 14th Dalai Lama
    Wisdom is doing Now that which benefits you later.
    Lost girls find a way.
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