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1.6 Dks Passing a torch to Sorcs...
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GDB is no longer the most powerful self heal, Clannfear Dismissing shall reign supreme!
seriously, with 48k hp it heals for 29k instantly, no matter where your hp bar is, and for roughly the same, possibly less MP as Breath of Life for templars.
its so easy to just double tap while your clanfear is out to heal and resummon in the same step... and hey, if it dies to AOE, you get healed anyways.
so ya, if you want a tank purely for the wonderful self heals... get a sorc tank. they also have better razer armor (boundless storm)
I know what my 7day early release character is going to become once 1.6 is out.
only thing DKs will still have that is better, Magma armor.
Expect to see"unkillable" Sorc tank complaints from PvPers ...
seriously, with 48k hp it heals for 29k instantly, no matter where your hp bar is, and for roughly the same, possibly less MP as Breath of Life for templars.
its so easy to just double tap while your clanfear is out to heal and resummon in the same step... and hey, if it dies to AOE, you get healed anyways.
so ya, if you want a tank purely for the wonderful self heals... get a sorc tank. they also have better razer armor (boundless storm)
I know what my 7day early release character is going to become once 1.6 is out.
only thing DKs will still have that is better, Magma armor.
Expect to see"unkillable" Sorc tank complaints from PvPers ...
I play every class in every situation. I love them all.
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✭AFAIK summoning have cast time, so it can be interupted. GDB is instant. With obsidian shield heals for 40%. But it's good that sorcs have comparable skills. GZ.Make sweetrolls, not nerfs!6 -
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✭AshySamurai wrote: »AFAIK summoning have cast time, so it can be interupted. GDB is instant. With obsidian shield heals for 40%. But it's good that sorcs have comparable skills. GZ.
the Clanfear is a instant cast summon. and dismissing it is instant and uninterrupted too. it can be block cast unlike the twilight.I play every class in every situation. I love them all.8 -
Lied✭✭✭Hypertionb14_ESO wrote: »GDB is no longer the most powerful self heal, Clannfear Dismissing shall reign supreme!
seriously, with 48k hp it heals for 29k instantly, no matter where your hp bar is, and for roughly the same, possibly less MP as Breath of Life for templars.
its so easy to just double tap while your clanfear is out to heal and resummon in the same step... and hey, if it dies to AOE, you get healed anyways.
so ya, if you want a tank purely for the wonderful self heals... get a sorc tank. they also have better razer armor (boundless storm)
I know what my 7day early release character is going to become once 1.6 is out.
only thing DKs will still have that is better, Magma armor.
Expect to see"unkillable" Sorc tank complaints from PvPers ...
You'd think it'd be awesome, but according to Sorcs it's unusable because they can't keep themselves from dismissing the clannfear before it has fully arrived, (pressing the button too fast). This "clunky" mechanic renders the skill worthless
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Rook_Master✭✭✭✭✭Hypertionb14_ESO wrote: »GDB is no longer the most powerful self heal, Clannfear Dismissing shall reign supreme!
seriously, with 48k hp it heals for 29k instantly, no matter where your hp bar is, and for roughly the same, possibly less MP as Breath of Life for templars.
its so easy to just double tap while your clanfear is out to heal and resummon in the same step... and hey, if it dies to AOE, you get healed anyways.
so ya, if you want a tank purely for the wonderful self heals... get a sorc tank. they also have better razer armor (boundless storm)
I know what my 7day early release character is going to become once 1.6 is out.
only thing DKs will still have that is better, Magma armor.
Expect to see"unkillable" Sorc tank complaints from PvPers ...
You'd think it'd be awesome, but according to Sorcs it's unusable because they can't keep themselves from dismissing the clannfear before it has fully arrived, (pressing the button too fast). This "clunky" mechanic renders the skill worthless
Whew, looks like DKs will still be the best at everything.
That was close, though.13 -
Hypertionb14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭skilled people will arise. and its still pretty easy to double tap summon dismissing it before it summons, which luckily negates the heal.
but from personal experience in a brief tanking of Vet DSA (3man for funs)
its pretty easy to tap once if needed.
it will be harder in PVP when lag sets in tho. Super Sorc tanks will not be as useful in a heavy lag enviroment..
but one on one they will probably be unkillable.Edited by Hypertionb14_ESO on March 2, 2015 2:33PMI play every class in every situation. I love them all.1 -
Ommamar✭✭✭✭Hypertionb14_ESO wrote: »GDB is no longer the most powerful self heal, Clannfear Dismissing shall reign supreme!
seriously, with 48k hp it heals for 29k instantly, no matter where your hp bar is, and for roughly the same, possibly less MP as Breath of Life for templars.
its so easy to just double tap while your clanfear is out to heal and resummon in the same step... and hey, if it dies to AOE, you get healed anyways.
so ya, if you want a tank purely for the wonderful self heals... get a sorc tank. they also have better razer armor (boundless storm)
I know what my 7day early release character is going to become once 1.6 is out.
only thing DKs will still have that is better, Magma armor.
Expect to see"unkillable" Sorc tank complaints from PvPers ...
You'd think it'd be awesome, but according to Sorcs it's unusable because they can't keep themselves from dismissing the clannfear before it has fully arrived, (pressing the button too fast). This "clunky" mechanic renders the skill worthless
Wow so because something might take some awareness and skill it is worthless?9 -
Lied✭✭✭Hypertionb14_ESO wrote: »skilled people will arise. and its still pretty easy to double tap summon dismissing it before it summons, which luckily negates the heal.
I'm guessing that people who have trouble timing this also find dodge-rolling, light-weaving, animation-cancelling, and partially charged heavy attacks problematic. I mean if you can't hit/not-hit a button at the right time in ESO you're gonna have a bad time.
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✭You know that you get most of the mana back when you desummon your pet? Its more near 0 mana costs6 -
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✭✭✭✭✭The clannfear heal is neaded, to compensate the poor usage of it.
You have to summon it and it takes like 1 second or, for it to even appear.
Templar heals and Green Dragon Blood are much faster. And Templar heals can even crit.Auri-El is my lord,
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Jahosefat✭✭✭✭It is locked at 35% max health; if you stack mag (like most Sorc will do to get some decent damage) your health will be low and this will not be a great heal (rapid regen heals for ~100% health now). This is only good if you stack max health, which then you will be doing very little damage as a sorc. This is an ability for Sorc tanks (which needed something).Joeshock- AD NA AB Thorn Chill Sorc New Eden Low Sec Roamer
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✭✭✭✭✭Theres effectively a cooldown on it, you have to wait for the summon animation to finish before you can do it again, so while the heal per cast is 2%(!) stronger then GDB, you cant spam it nearly as effective as GDB
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✭✭Hypertionb14_ESO wrote: »skilled people will arise. and its still pretty easy to double tap summon dismissing it before it summons, which luckily negates the heal.
I'm guessing that people who have trouble timing this also find dodge-rolling, light-weaving, animation-cancelling, and partially charged heavy attacks problematic. I mean if you can't hit/not-hit a button at the right time in ESO you're gonna have a bad time.
If you think there isn't going to be an instance when even the most skilled player gets frustrated because he dismissed his summon too soon in a lagged out cyrodiil battle, you're gonna have a bad time.You earned the 500 LOLs badge.
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✭✭✭✭Awesome! With the passing of this torch goes the passing of all the QQ, salty, I died stories and nerf X posts. Best thing to happen to Dragon Knights since ever. Enjoy.Retired.
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✭Awesome! With the passing of this torch goes the passing of all the QQ, salty, I died stories and nerf X posts. Best thing to happen to Dragon Knights since ever. Enjoy.
@Armitas This ^ So much of this ^^^^^
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✭✭✭Hypertionb14_ESO wrote: »GDB is no longer the most powerful self heal, Clannfear Dismissing shall reign supreme!
seriously, with 48k hp it heals for 29k instantly, no matter where your hp bar is, and for roughly the same, possibly less MP as Breath of Life for templars.
its so easy to just double tap while your clanfear is out to heal and resummon in the same step... and hey, if it dies to AOE, you get healed anyways.
so ya, if you want a tank purely for the wonderful self heals... get a sorc tank. they also have better razer armor (boundless storm)
I know what my 7day early release character is going to become once 1.6 is out.
only thing DKs will still have that is better, Magma armor.
Expect to see"unkillable" Sorc tank complaints from PvPers ...
Don't forget! You get the full magicka back if you have enough of a max pool, thanks to the Rebate passive, when your pets are "unsummoned or killed"
. Not only is it a better heal, but it also can be made free very easily. -First-Wave Closed Beta Tester of the Psijic Order, aka the 0.016 percent.
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lol I think you guys are much more optimistic about this skill than the sorcs are...Joeshock- AD NA AB Thorn Chill Sorc New Eden Low Sec Roamer
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Jahosefat✭✭✭✭Attorneyatlawl wrote: »Hypertionb14_ESO wrote: »GDB is no longer the most powerful self heal, Clannfear Dismissing shall reign supreme!
seriously, with 48k hp it heals for 29k instantly, no matter where your hp bar is, and for roughly the same, possibly less MP as Breath of Life for templars.
its so easy to just double tap while your clanfear is out to heal and resummon in the same step... and hey, if it dies to AOE, you get healed anyways.
so ya, if you want a tank purely for the wonderful self heals... get a sorc tank. they also have better razer armor (boundless storm)
I know what my 7day early release character is going to become once 1.6 is out.
only thing DKs will still have that is better, Magma armor.
Expect to see"unkillable" Sorc tank complaints from PvPers ...
Don't forget! You get the full magicka back if you have enough of a max pool, thanks to the Rebate passive, when your pets are "unsummoned or killed". Not only is it a better heal, but it also can be made free very easily.
The rebate goes off of you max magicka, the heal goes off of you max health. You are going to have to sacrifice one or the other, you can't have both. People should play with this skill before hyping it up as the next "it is almost as OP as GDB + Reflective scales"; lol no it is not.
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✭✭✭✭✭Theres effectively a cooldown on it, you have to wait for the summon animation to finish before you can do it again, so while the heal per cast is 2%(!) stronger then GDB, you cant spam it nearly as effective as GDB
Actually it is stronger than 2%. It would only be 2% if a DK waited until they were at nearly zero health to hit GDB. A DK's heal is based on missing health, where a sorc gets that heal based on their full health pool, and it always the same heal.
You are right that it isn't quite as spammable though.
As someone with vets of each class, I think the new sorc heal is a tad strong and probably should come down a bit, but hopefully they don't over nerf it and break it because it's nice having that burst heal. Now if only my NB could have a burst heal not based on your opponent being dead already or a class shield I'd feel the classes were closer to even. (Closer, DK is still a bit more powerful than everything else).-- @xaraan --
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✭✭✭✭✭Hypertionb14_ESO wrote: »GDB is no longer the most powerful self heal, Clannfear Dismissing shall reign supreme!
seriously, with 48k hp it heals for 29k instantly, no matter where your hp bar is, and for roughly the same, possibly less MP as Breath of Life for templars.
its so easy to just double tap while your clanfear is out to heal and resummon in the same step... and hey, if it dies to AOE, you get healed anyways.
so ya, if you want a tank purely for the wonderful self heals... get a sorc tank. they also have better razer armor (boundless storm)
I know what my 7day early release character is going to become once 1.6 is out.
only thing DKs will still have that is better, Magma armor.
Expect to see"unkillable" Sorc tank complaints from PvPers ...
You'd think it'd be awesome, but according to Sorcs it's unusable because they can't keep themselves from dismissing the clannfear before it has fully arrived, (pressing the button too fast). This "clunky" mechanic renders the skill worthless
They're incorrect about it being clunky, the only way to cause the bug is to double tap your mouse button...long as you don't double tap you'll get the heal off 100% of the time.
All they're doing is making excuses to keep the most powerful heal in the game with zero mana cost while keeping things like Hardened Ward (best Shield in the game) and Bolt Escape (Best Escape in the game)
The Sorc whining on PTS was frankly worse then anything Nightblades ever did....and all on the intent of making their class overpowered.https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXpX7JMwRXtczc5GTrIYRIw
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✭✭Theres effectively a cooldown on it, you have to wait for the summon animation to finish before you can do it again, so while the heal per cast is 2%(!) stronger then GDB, you cant spam it nearly as effective as GDB
Actually it is stronger than 2%. It would only be 2% if a DK waited until they were at nearly zero health to hit GDB. A DK's heal is based on missing health, where a sorc gets that heal based on their full health pool, and it always the same heal.
You are right that it isn't quite as spammable though.
As someone with vets of each class, I think the new sorc heal is a tad strong and probably should come down a bit, but hopefully they don't over nerf it and break it because it's nice having that burst heal. Now if only my NB could have a burst heal not based on your opponent being dead already or a class shield I'd feel the classes were closer to even. (Closer, DK is still a bit more powerful than everything else).
They shouldn't nerf the clannfear heal but instead change rebate to give 8% magicka and 8% stamina.You earned the 500 LOLs badge.
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✭✭✭✭✭Theres effectively a cooldown on it, you have to wait for the summon animation to finish before you can do it again, so while the heal per cast is 2%(!) stronger then GDB, you cant spam it nearly as effective as GDB
Actually it is stronger than 2%. It would only be 2% if a DK waited until they were at nearly zero health to hit GDB. A DK's heal is based on missing health, where a sorc gets that heal based on their full health pool, and it always the same heal.
You are right that it isn't quite as spammable though.
As someone with vets of each class, I think the new sorc heal is a tad strong and probably should come down a bit, but hopefully they don't over nerf it and break it because it's nice having that burst heal. Now if only my NB could have a burst heal not based on your opponent being dead already or a class shield I'd feel the classes were closer to even. (Closer, DK is still a bit more powerful than everything else).
They shouldn't nerf the clannfear heal but instead change rebate to give 8% magicka and 8% stamina.
no, they should nerf the rebate to 5% magicka back..and that's it.... The heal is overpowered, and doesn't need to give you an even bigger buff by giving you stamina back as well.https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXpX7JMwRXtczc5GTrIYRIw
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✭Hypertionb14_ESO wrote: »GDB is no longer the most powerful self heal, Clannfear Dismissing shall reign supreme!
seriously, with 48k hp it heals for 29k instantly, no matter where your hp bar is, and for roughly the same, possibly less MP as Breath of Life for templars.
its so easy to just double tap while your clanfear is out to heal and resummon in the same step... and hey, if it dies to AOE, you get healed anyways.
so ya, if you want a tank purely for the wonderful self heals... get a sorc tank. they also have better razer armor (boundless storm)
I know what my 7day early release character is going to become once 1.6 is out.
only thing DKs will still have that is better, Magma armor.
Expect to see"unkillable" Sorc tank complaints from PvPers ...
You'd think it'd be awesome, but according to Sorcs it's unusable because they can't keep themselves from dismissing the clannfear before it has fully arrived, (pressing the button too fast). This "clunky" mechanic renders the skill worthless
Wow so because something might take some awareness and skill it is worthless?
have to wait 1,5+latency sec for your heal to be applied would have lead to tons of dead DKs in the past and a massive uproar. just to make that "clunky" clear.spelling and grammar errors are free to be abused
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o_0✭✭✭✭From what most PTS Sorcerer's are saying, sounds like they would gladly trade this skill for DK's GDB.8
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✭✭xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »Theres effectively a cooldown on it, you have to wait for the summon animation to finish before you can do it again, so while the heal per cast is 2%(!) stronger then GDB, you cant spam it nearly as effective as GDB
Actually it is stronger than 2%. It would only be 2% if a DK waited until they were at nearly zero health to hit GDB. A DK's heal is based on missing health, where a sorc gets that heal based on their full health pool, and it always the same heal.
You are right that it isn't quite as spammable though.
As someone with vets of each class, I think the new sorc heal is a tad strong and probably should come down a bit, but hopefully they don't over nerf it and break it because it's nice having that burst heal. Now if only my NB could have a burst heal not based on your opponent being dead already or a class shield I'd feel the classes were closer to even. (Closer, DK is still a bit more powerful than everything else).
They shouldn't nerf the clannfear heal but instead change rebate to give 8% magicka and 8% stamina.
no, they should nerf the rebate to 5% magicka back..and that's it.... The heal is overpowered, and doesn't need to give you an even bigger buff by giving you stamina back as well.
I disagree and do not think the heal is overpowered. As the class with zero stamina sustain abilities, some stamina back is exactly what Sorcs need. Also with Rebate only giving 8% magicka, you can have over 50k magicka and Clannfear will still cost in the 1500-2000 range (aka right where all other spells with cost when you reach the CP level needed for 50k magicka).You earned the 500 LOLs badge.
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✭Hypertionb14_ESO wrote: »GDB is no longer the most powerful self heal, Clannfear Dismissing shall reign supreme!
seriously, with 48k hp it heals for 29k i
With 48khp it heals for 16.8k. Also, sorcs don't stack health. They'll more likely have 18k - 20k hp, giving them a heal of 6 - 7k. Not 29k.
I suppose it's possible that sorcs may gear for Health and Healing Received. For 49k HP, they may also have to reroll Imperial and wear 7/7 HA. I think that's unlikely. Your post is misinformation.Snit AD Sorc
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✭✭✭✭✭I think it's hilarious that people who are not Sorcs think Sorcs are in great shape based on their (anecdotal) performance in 1v1 PvP.
First of all, where the heck is all this 1v1 PvP happening? 'Cause it sure ain't happening anywhere in Cyrodiil I've ever been. Here's my Sorc's experience:
1) Look at map for any battles in progress.
2) Ride horse for 5 minutes to front line.
3) Spot an Enemy...
4) Attack! Wait... where's all that lag coming from?
5) 3 seconds later, get crushed by EP zerg.
6) Go back to Step #1.
At no point in this process would a friggin' Clannfear save your sorry ass.
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✭✭✭Theres effectively a cooldown on it, you have to wait for the summon animation to finish before you can do it again, so while the heal per cast is 2%(!) stronger then GDB, you cant spam it nearly as effective as GDB
Actually it is stronger than 2%. It would only be 2% if a DK waited until they were at nearly zero health to hit GDB. A DK's heal is based on missing health, where a sorc gets that heal based on their full health pool, and it always the same heal.
You are right that it isn't quite as spammable though.
As someone with vets of each class, I think the new sorc heal is a tad strong and probably should come down a bit, but hopefully they don't over nerf it and break it because it's nice having that burst heal. Now if only my NB could have a burst heal not based on your opponent being dead already or a class shield I'd feel the classes were closer to even. (Closer, DK is still a bit more powerful than everything else).
They shouldn't nerf the clannfear heal but instead change rebate to give 8% magicka and 8% stamina.
So you want summons to cost equal magicka and stamina to cast, and to cost both resources each time they are cast?
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