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Zenimax please Add Auction House

  • AshySamurai
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    roechacca wrote: »
    roechacca wrote: »
    SFBryan18 wrote: »
    roechacca wrote: »
    So selling your stuff and getting 500 people together that barely know each other isn't hard work either . Spam a few zones and then tell this people to invite others . It's not hard work , it's boring work .

    The difficulty of creating a functioning trading guild is off topic.

    Making or joining a trading guild has been apart of this discussion in several posts and is absutely on topic as people are asking everyone to just use the current system . Don't try to bait me .

    I for one don't want to use one or more of my guild slots up just for the easier access of buying items from Bank nodes . You said if you don't like the current system , don't use . Well my answer is Im not . I'm not using it all cause it sucks . I'm requesting something be put in that's useable for people that don't like it . If you don't like that it may change or people are requesting different option , YOU deal with that issue .

    Well. You already got improvement - guild trader. Now you can buy from any good store and not being member of this guild. Want to sell - sell to vendors or trage it with group mates. Want something more - it's a MMO, join a guild.

    Or I'll just keep doing what I want and request what I want . Even if it's not what you want . I don't even bother to browse those guild kiosks because they're worthless to me . You can't even repair at them . Every time I browse one it's filled with junk items I don't need out in the middle of no where .

    You don't want to use guild trader. You don't want to join guild. You don't want to use zone chat. Sorry for game work fine without your wishes. I agree with @SFBryan18: "Perhaps you should just not trade and leave the rest of us alone. The current system works well for most of us and in my opinion, it should stay the same."
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  • SFBryan18
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    roechacca wrote: »
    SFBryan18 wrote: »
    roechacca wrote: »
    SFBryan18 wrote: »
    roechacca wrote: »
    So selling your stuff and getting 500 people together that barely know each other isn't hard work either . Spam a few zones and then tell this people to invite others . It's not hard work , it's boring work .

    The difficulty of creating a functioning trading guild is off topic.

    Making or joining a trading guild has been apart of this discussion in several posts and is absutely on topic as people are asking everyone to just use the current system . Don't try to bait me .

    I for one don't want to use one or more of my guild slots up just for the easier access of buying items from Bank nodes . You said if you don't like the current system , don't use . Well my answer is Im not . I'm not using it all cause it sucks . I'm requesting something be put in that's useable for people that don't like it . If you don't like that it may change or people are requesting different option , YOU deal with that issue .

    What you don't want is to play the game the way it was designed. Perhaps you should just not trade and leave the rest of us alone. The current system works well for most of us and in my opinion, it should stay the same.

    Your point about how hard it is to create a guild had very little relevance. You seem to be coming up with anything you can think of in an attempt to prove something you can't. Please stop.

    I don't have to prove my opinion , it's an opinion just like yours . If you don't like my opinion , deal with it . But don't tell me how I need to just accept what you think is best . I have every right to voice my opinion as you do to protest it . So now you are taking this off topic . Moving on .

    Yea for AH . It's what I want .
    It's not what you want
    Everyone gets it

    You are making statements about how easy it is to create a trade guild which has very little relevance to this discussion and was most likely just an attempt to insult trading guilds in general.
  • Roechacca
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    roechacca wrote: »
    roechacca wrote: »
    SFBryan18 wrote: »
    roechacca wrote: »
    So selling your stuff and getting 500 people together that barely know each other isn't hard work either . Spam a few zones and then tell this people to invite others . It's not hard work , it's boring work .

    The difficulty of creating a functioning trading guild is off topic.

    Making or joining a trading guild has been apart of this discussion in several posts and is absutely on topic as people are asking everyone to just use the current system . Don't try to bait me .

    I for one don't want to use one or more of my guild slots up just for the easier access of buying items from Bank nodes . You said if you don't like the current system , don't use . Well my answer is Im not . I'm not using it all cause it sucks . I'm requesting something be put in that's useable for people that don't like it . If you don't like that it may change or people are requesting different option , YOU deal with that issue .

    Well. You already got improvement - guild trader. Now you can buy from any good store and not being member of this guild. Want to sell - sell to vendors or trage it with group mates. Want something more - it's a MMO, join a guild.

    Or I'll just keep doing what I want and request what I want . Even if it's not what you want . I don't even bother to browse those guild kiosks because they're worthless to me . You can't even repair at them . Every time I browse one it's filled with junk items I don't need out in the middle of no where .


    So in other words you don't want a discussion about it, you just want what YOU want. Ok gotcha, good luck with that. No sense in continuing to try and have a conversation with someone who is so set and doesn't entertain the fact that the economy is working, they just want it because. I'm done with this thread.

    I've actually posted two different compromises that would keep the system relatively the same , you'd just need to read back . You are correct I'm very set in my opinions . Perhaps on this one we will never see eye to eye . It does not mean I don't think your opinion isn't worth anything , just on this subject we disagree . There maybe a new subject that pops up and I completly agree with you on it , who knows but read back if you think I haven't entertained other ideas .
  • Roechacca
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    SFBryan18 wrote: »
    roechacca wrote: »
    SFBryan18 wrote: »
    roechacca wrote: »
    SFBryan18 wrote: »
    roechacca wrote: »
    So selling your stuff and getting 500 people together that barely know each other isn't hard work either . Spam a few zones and then tell this people to invite others . It's not hard work , it's boring work .

    The difficulty of creating a functioning trading guild is off topic.

    Making or joining a trading guild has been apart of this discussion in several posts and is absutely on topic as people are asking everyone to just use the current system . Don't try to bait me .

    I for one don't want to use one or more of my guild slots up just for the easier access of buying items from Bank nodes . You said if you don't like the current system , don't use . Well my answer is Im not . I'm not using it all cause it sucks . I'm requesting something be put in that's useable for people that don't like it . If you don't like that it may change or people are requesting different option , YOU deal with that issue .

    What you don't want is to play the game the way it was designed. Perhaps you should just not trade and leave the rest of us alone. The current system works well for most of us and in my opinion, it should stay the same.

    Your point about how hard it is to create a guild had very little relevance. You seem to be coming up with anything you can think of in an attempt to prove something you can't. Please stop.

    I don't have to prove my opinion , it's an opinion just like yours . If you don't like my opinion , deal with it . But don't tell me how I need to just accept what you think is best . I have every right to voice my opinion as you do to protest it . So now you are taking this off topic . Moving on .

    Yea for AH . It's what I want .
    It's not what you want
    Everyone gets it

    You are making statements about how easy it is to create a trade guild which has very little relevance to this discussion and was most likely just an attempt to insult trading guilds in general.

    I was making a statement about how easy it is to make a trade guild and I find the concept boring in most MMOs . You mad a statement that guild traders should get a fair price for the work they put in . No ones disagreeing that traders shouldn't be able to charge what they think is a fair price . Some how I took that as you are concerned that if there is a auction house , you won't get a fair price . I'm still trying to wrap my head around the relevancy of making someone ride 4 miles further some how makes getting a fair price possible . So if that's insulting , I have no idea why . Is saying something's easy insulting ? I come from the opinion when it comes to shopping and selling easy is a great thing . The whole point of this is finding the things you want is NOT easy right now !
  • SFBryan18
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    roechacca wrote: »
    SFBryan18 wrote: »
    roechacca wrote: »
    SFBryan18 wrote: »
    roechacca wrote: »
    SFBryan18 wrote: »
    roechacca wrote: »
    So selling your stuff and getting 500 people together that barely know each other isn't hard work either . Spam a few zones and then tell this people to invite others . It's not hard work , it's boring work .

    The difficulty of creating a functioning trading guild is off topic.

    Making or joining a trading guild has been apart of this discussion in several posts and is absutely on topic as people are asking everyone to just use the current system . Don't try to bait me .

    I for one don't want to use one or more of my guild slots up just for the easier access of buying items from Bank nodes . You said if you don't like the current system , don't use . Well my answer is Im not . I'm not using it all cause it sucks . I'm requesting something be put in that's useable for people that don't like it . If you don't like that it may change or people are requesting different option , YOU deal with that issue .

    What you don't want is to play the game the way it was designed. Perhaps you should just not trade and leave the rest of us alone. The current system works well for most of us and in my opinion, it should stay the same.

    Your point about how hard it is to create a guild had very little relevance. You seem to be coming up with anything you can think of in an attempt to prove something you can't. Please stop.

    I don't have to prove my opinion , it's an opinion just like yours . If you don't like my opinion , deal with it . But don't tell me how I need to just accept what you think is best . I have every right to voice my opinion as you do to protest it . So now you are taking this off topic . Moving on .

    Yea for AH . It's what I want .
    It's not what you want
    Everyone gets it

    You are making statements about how easy it is to create a trade guild which has very little relevance to this discussion and was most likely just an attempt to insult trading guilds in general.

    I was making a statement about how easy it is to make a trade guild and I find the concept boring in most MMOs . You mad a statement that guild traders should get a fair price for the work they put in . No ones disagreeing that traders shouldn't be able to charge what they think is a fair price . Some how I took that as you are concerned that if there is a auction house , you won't get a fair price . I'm still trying to wrap my head around the relevancy of making someone ride 4 miles further some how makes getting a fair price possible . So if that's insulting , I have no idea why . Is saying something's easy insulting ? I come from the opinion when it comes to shopping and selling easy is a great thing . The whole point of this is finding the things you want is NOT easy right now !

    I'm ending my participation in this discussion due to the strict forum moderation risking my ability to post. Good luck with trading.
  • Roechacca
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    Look for all of you saying the current system is more realistic or cannon to the genre , it's not . Human civilization has evolved on the principle of making things easier for society . Small villages became towns so people could have security and the ability to have easier trade with one another . Towns became cities to multiply this convenience . Cities became nations all from the same principle of more security and convenance . Just like Babylon was formed to bring all the best merchants together to create a central hub for a stronger economic system for all to partake in . This is human nature to want simplicity and easier access . It's the entire foundation cities like Greece and Rome were built upon . So for the love of Molag-Bal , why are you people wanting me to de evolve ?! Why do you insist I need to travel all over creation to get a set of purple gloves ?' Please stop asking me to join in this insanity that goes against every fiber of my evolved DNA and make a central hub for trading !

    An have a nice day .
  • wraith808
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    roechacca wrote: »
    Please stop asking me to join in this insanity that goes against every fiber of my evolved DNA and make a central hub for trading !

    No one's asking you to join anything. We're just happy with how it is now, and don't want Zen to change it. If you don't want to be a part of it... then don't. We'll continue to enjoy the way it is, and use it in the spirit intended.
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  • RainfeatherUK
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    wraith808 wrote: »
    No one's asking you to join anything. We're just happy with how it is now, and don't want Zen to change it. If you don't want to be a part of it... then don't. We'll continue to enjoy the way it is, and use it in the spirit intended.

    As a PvP player I think its fair to say I've avoided craft like the plague in past MMO's. This system gave me an excuse to actually get involved with the people and meet them in a smaller scale, which I find much more agreeable than a robot mode auction. Its actually turned around my interaction with crafters completely.

    So what @wraith808 said. Insightful.Agree.Awesome. One of those. Not LOL though.
    Edited by RainfeatherUK on February 21, 2015 7:18PM
  • Vizier
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    Dare to be different. Say "NO" to auction houses.
  • Nefrast
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    Vizier wrote: »
    Dare to be different. Say "NO" to auction houses.
    I say "no" to the no-auction-house-movement.
  • Roechacca
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    Vizier wrote: »
    Dare to be different. Say "NO" to auction houses.

    Dare to be different ? Bla hahahahahahahahahahahahA Wat ?!

    Was that a tag line sales pitch ? Well played man . Bravo .
  • Gidorick
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    I actually LIKE that I cant just always get whatever I want whenever I want. It adds a sense of realism.
    What ESO really needs is an Auction Horse.
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  • Roechacca
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    Gidorick wrote: »
    I actually LIKE that I cant just always get whatever I want whenever I want. It adds a sense of realism.

    You do realize it really doesn't add realism right ? Traveling merchants and stores out in the boondocks were not a common occurrence in medieval times . Bandits , thieves and roving hostile military forces were a high risk in those times . Mercenaries and security were hired to help transport goods to a safe city or town for trade . The Fighters Guild in TES was created to actually do these security details . It was a very lucrative endeavor .
    Edited by Roechacca on February 21, 2015 7:55PM
  • Frawr
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    roechacca wrote: »
    Gidorick wrote: »
    I actually LIKE that I cant just always get whatever I want whenever I want. It adds a sense of realism.

    You do realize it really doesn't add realism right ? Traveling merchants and stores out in the boondocks were not a common occurrence in medieval times . Bandits , thieves and roving hostile military forces were a high risk in those times . Mercenaries and security were hired to help transport goods to a safe city or town for trade . The Fighters Guild in TES was created to actually do these security details . It was a very lucrative endeavor .

    Perhaps it adds realism for him. Perhaps it also adds realism for others too.

  • IrishGirlGamer
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    roechacca wrote: »
    Gidorick wrote: »
    I actually LIKE that I cant just always get whatever I want whenever I want. It adds a sense of realism.

    You do realize it really doesn't add realism right ? Traveling merchants and stores out in the boondocks were not a common occurrence in medieval times . Bandits , thieves and roving hostile military forces were a high risk in those times . Mercenaries and security were hired to help transport goods to a safe city or town for trade . The Fighters Guild in TES was created to actually do these security details . It was a very lucrative endeavor .

    You actually make a good point about something that I so wish would be added in a TES game: a fully developed, dynamic economy that is dependent upon situational events. The cost of something depends upon a number of factors including how much bandit activity there is in the area. And so on.

    That would be more realistic.
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  • Iluvrien
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    roechacca wrote: »
    You do realize it really doesn't add realism right ? Traveling merchants and stores out in the boondocks were not a common occurrence in medieval times . Bandits , thieves and roving hostile military forces were a high risk in those times . Mercenaries and security were hired to help transport goods to a safe city or town for trade . The Fighters Guild in TES was created to actually do these security details . It was a very lucrative endeavor .

    You do realise that you are talking about the specific placement of merchants and stores and not whether the lack of instant gratification does/doesn't add realism right?

    There is definitely a case to be made for confining merchants to settlements (small/medium/large is really irrelevant at this point) rather than in the middle of nowhere... but that has nothing to do with whether not being able to instantly pick up anything you want on a whim adds realism or not.
  • mavrwb17_ESO
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    I don't think an AH is needed, however I do think guild stores need a better interface. The ability to search for specific item names would be a good start. A way to sort results by each of the columns would be another.
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    @cfnxhael, you could farm a lot of LOLs with this topic, but you are late. But nice try!

    lol!
  • Grapdjan
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    They desperately need to add an AH to get MMO players to actually play.
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    Grapdjan wrote: »
    They desperately need to add an AH to get MMO players to actually play.

    Of all the reasons people don't play this game, I'm pretty sure no AH ranks pretty low on the list. Between the horrific lag in cyrodiil and myriad of bugs in this game, it's a wonder anyone believes this would be a game killer.
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    cfnxhael wrote: »
    Some people have alot of stuffs and I think in 1.6 there should be a Auction House like every MMO.Thats way we can sell our items,potions,weapons ETC.Im pretty sure Zenimax knows this stuffs but why no AH why :(((

    Because AH's ruin economies, it's perfectly fine the way it is.

    Zenimax isn't "every other MMO" this is one of the great things that sets it apart as a serious MMORPG.
  • Taliuz
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    People are talking about AH ruining economies, strange almost every other mmo has it and are not ruined lol we even have it IRL so its just stupid to say that it will ruin the economy. It just as stupid as Guild Wars 2 fan boys saying "oh we don't need mount's they are stupid we have fast travel"

    This is the single reason why I don't play the game, and the fact that Zenimax don't look at all there players that have bougth the game but don't want to play it for this exact reason. There is a reason why ESO has to go B2P the game just miss alot of features and are badly made compared to a lot of other mmo's and does not really seem to care. I look at ESO live and they talk only about the same things every time.
    Grapdjan wrote: »
    They desperately need to add an AH to get MMO players to actually play.

    Of all the reasons people don't play this game, I'm pretty sure no AH ranks pretty low on the list. Between the horrific lag in cyrodiil and myriad of bugs in this game, it's a wonder anyone believes this would be a game killer.

    Well I'm just lvl 20 because I run around with my bags full all the time because there are no where to sell the stuff unless I want to spend most of my time spamming the chat and trying to sell stuff "there are no way to know what to sell the items for either" and I would rather explore and do quests but whats the point when every time you get a reward you need to delete 10 items to be able to pick up a new one. So the fact that there are No AH and so little bag space even if you upgrade makes it no fun to play especially not when there was a subscription, why pay for something when you get more for your money elsewhere. Yes there are guilds but to join one that you can in fact sell stuff in are almost impossible.
  • Mikoto
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    Taliuz wrote: »
    People are talking about AH ruining economies, strange almost every other mmo has it and are not ruined lol we even have it IRL so its just stupid to say that it will ruin the economy. It just as stupid as Guild Wars 2 fan boys saying "oh we don't need mount's they are stupid we have fast travel"

    This is the single reason why I don't play the game, and the fact that Zenimax don't look at all there players that have bougth the game but don't want to play it for this exact reason. There is a reason why ESO has to go B2P the game just miss alot of features and are badly made compared to a lot of other mmo's and does not really seem to care. I look at ESO live and they talk only about the same things every time.
    Grapdjan wrote: »
    They desperately need to add an AH to get MMO players to actually play.

    Of all the reasons people don't play this game, I'm pretty sure no AH ranks pretty low on the list. Between the horrific lag in cyrodiil and myriad of bugs in this game, it's a wonder anyone believes this would be a game killer.

    Well I'm just lvl 20 because I run around with my bags full all the time because there are no where to sell the stuff unless I want to spend most of my time spamming the chat and trying to sell stuff "there are no way to know what to sell the items for either" and I would rather explore and do quests but whats the point when every time you get a reward you need to delete 10 items to be able to pick up a new one. So the fact that there are No AH and so little bag space even if you upgrade makes it no fun to play especially not when there was a subscription, why pay for something when you get more for your money elsewhere. Yes there are guilds but to join one that you can in fact sell stuff in are almost impossible.

    If you think ESO had to go b2p because of the lack of ah then all I can say is lol. If anything ah will make the game worst and possibly destroy the entire merchant scene going on because some gold farmer managed to monopolized the market. No thanks, I rather keep competition between merchant guilds.
  • Taliuz
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    Mikoto wrote: »
    Taliuz wrote: »
    People are talking about AH ruining economies, strange almost every other mmo has it and are not ruined lol we even have it IRL so its just stupid to say that it will ruin the economy. It just as stupid as Guild Wars 2 fan boys saying "oh we don't need mount's they are stupid we have fast travel"

    This is the single reason why I don't play the game, and the fact that Zenimax don't look at all there players that have bougth the game but don't want to play it for this exact reason. There is a reason why ESO has to go B2P the game just miss alot of features and are badly made compared to a lot of other mmo's and does not really seem to care. I look at ESO live and they talk only about the same things every time.
    Grapdjan wrote: »
    They desperately need to add an AH to get MMO players to actually play.

    Of all the reasons people don't play this game, I'm pretty sure no AH ranks pretty low on the list. Between the horrific lag in cyrodiil and myriad of bugs in this game, it's a wonder anyone believes this would be a game killer.

    Well I'm just lvl 20 because I run around with my bags full all the time because there are no where to sell the stuff unless I want to spend most of my time spamming the chat and trying to sell stuff "there are no way to know what to sell the items for either" and I would rather explore and do quests but whats the point when every time you get a reward you need to delete 10 items to be able to pick up a new one. So the fact that there are No AH and so little bag space even if you upgrade makes it no fun to play especially not when there was a subscription, why pay for something when you get more for your money elsewhere. Yes there are guilds but to join one that you can in fact sell stuff in are almost impossible.

    If you think ESO had to go b2p because of the lack of ah then all I can say is lol. If anything ah will make the game worst and possibly destroy the entire merchant scene going on because some gold farmer managed to monopolized the market. No thanks, I rather keep competition between merchant guilds.

    Because of the lack of AH alone... no but the lack of features like the AH there are more thing's that need fixing other then that. It's just that the AH is the on on the top of my personal list, since it makes it almost impossible for me to either make money or have bag space in the game without vendoring everything I have. Can there be a other solution for this problem, most likley but I am not a game developer. And to remove something that almost all other mmo has and placing in a new system that dont work as good are pretty stupid for a new mmo, We can just look at Age of Conan, they changed to much of the stuff that people where used to and they went down hill. I think the ide of the guild trading was good but the way it works its not good enough, when only a few people can make money from it. Where are the rest of the people suppose to go and sell there goods ?
  • Cogo
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    Taliuz wrote: »
    Mikoto wrote: »
    Taliuz wrote: »
    People are talking about AH ruining economies, strange almost every other mmo has it and are not ruined lol we even have it IRL so its just stupid to say that it will ruin the economy. It just as stupid as Guild Wars 2 fan boys saying "oh we don't need mount's they are stupid we have fast travel"

    This is the single reason why I don't play the game, and the fact that Zenimax don't look at all there players that have bougth the game but don't want to play it for this exact reason. There is a reason why ESO has to go B2P the game just miss alot of features and are badly made compared to a lot of other mmo's and does not really seem to care. I look at ESO live and they talk only about the same things every time.
    Grapdjan wrote: »
    They desperately need to add an AH to get MMO players to actually play.

    Of all the reasons people don't play this game, I'm pretty sure no AH ranks pretty low on the list. Between the horrific lag in cyrodiil and myriad of bugs in this game, it's a wonder anyone believes this would be a game killer.

    Well I'm just lvl 20 because I run around with my bags full all the time because there are no where to sell the stuff unless I want to spend most of my time spamming the chat and trying to sell stuff "there are no way to know what to sell the items for either" and I would rather explore and do quests but whats the point when every time you get a reward you need to delete 10 items to be able to pick up a new one. So the fact that there are No AH and so little bag space even if you upgrade makes it no fun to play especially not when there was a subscription, why pay for something when you get more for your money elsewhere. Yes there are guilds but to join one that you can in fact sell stuff in are almost impossible.

    If you think ESO had to go b2p because of the lack of ah then all I can say is lol. If anything ah will make the game worst and possibly destroy the entire merchant scene going on because some gold farmer managed to monopolized the market. No thanks, I rather keep competition between merchant guilds.

    Because of the lack of AH alone... no but the lack of features like the AH there are more thing's that need fixing other then that. It's just that the AH is the on on the top of my personal list, since it makes it almost impossible for me to either make money or have bag space in the game without vendoring everything I have. Can there be a other solution for this problem, most likley but I am not a game developer. And to remove something that almost all other mmo has and placing in a new system that dont work as good are pretty stupid for a new mmo, We can just look at Age of Conan, they changed to much of the stuff that people where used to and they went down hill. I think the ide of the guild trading was good but the way it works its not good enough, when only a few people can make money from it. Where are the rest of the people suppose to go and sell there goods ?

    Dude, its not good to smoke on sundays. You got work tomorrow.
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  • Tandor
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    People are quick to argue that an auction system breaks the economy when it involves auction houses, but they aren't so quick to argue the same point when the auction system involves guild kiosks. Guilds have to pay vast amounts of gold to win a kiosk auction, in many cases charging their recruits a fee to join the guilds, and people are worried that a different system would lead to a broken economy? Seriously?

    The economy is already broken far more by an elitist trading system that permits items to be sold only by those comparatively few players who belong to the right guilds at the right time and whose kiosk auction distorts the market every bit as much as any auction house would do.

    Anyone who doesn't belong to the successful guilds in the kiosk auctions is unable to sell anything, and even those who are successful in their sales aren't, as I understand it, told which items sold or where. Meanwhile, no-one can try to buy anything at a competitive price without first travelling the world and checking out all the separate trading kiosks individually.

    I can understand why those who prosper personally from the present system would want to maintain it. As there's no effective means of checking prices and matching supply with demand, sellers can get away with putting pretty well any price on their goods knowing that people who want them aren't going to travel round the world to see if they're cheaper elsewhere. Moreover, they have to charge those prices because of the absurdly high auction bids for the kiosks and the payments required by the guilds. However, those prices don't provide a true reflection of supply and demand for those goods, the market being hugely distorted by the trading system.

    A proper and effective trading system would enable a far better matching of supply and demand, and would be both cheaper and easier to manage for both sellers and buyers alike. An improved trading system is desperately needed and the economy will remain utterly broken until we have one.
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    @Tandor

    On what bases is ESO economy broken?

    Your post made me curios.
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  • Taliuz
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    Not sure what you are really referring to since you came to that conclusion. Not that it's relevant to this topic but I don't really drink or smoke. Though it looks like a lot of people in here might be since they can't see that it might be something wrong with there precious MMO, wake up and look at some review's almost none of them are positive towards ESO, I only say that the way the AH or trading system in the game works should change a little. But guess its a waste of time to try and tell blind people to see. And Zenimax don't even bother to comment on this issue.
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    Cogo wrote: »
    @Tandor

    On what bases is ESO economy broken?

    Your post made me curios.

    For the reasons I gave. There is no effective and open public trading system, only a limited system that restricts selling to comparatively few players at distorted prices that do not reflect supply and demand because, in addition to supply being artificially restricted, demand is ineffective given that most buyers aren't interested in travelling the world to find items and price check them. There will be very many players who don't even participate in the economy.
  • Mikoto
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    Taliuz wrote: »
    Not sure what you are really referring to since you came to that conclusion. Not that it's relevant to this topic but I don't really drink or smoke. Though it looks like a lot of people in here might be since they can't see that it might be something wrong with there precious MMO, wake up and look at some review's almost none of them are positive towards ESO, I only say that the way the AH or trading system in the game works should change a little. But guess its a waste of time to try and tell blind people to see. And Zenimax don't even bother to comment on this issue.

    Because it's not an issue. It needs work yes but saying it needs ah is flat out incorrect hence you're gong to just meet with no. It's not the same thing what so ever. The title is eso needs ah, the answer you're going to find is no but it doesn't mean the current system is perfect either. If the title would be "guild store improvement suggestions" then you will meet a different answer overall. I expect you to at least understand that part before making a statement that the player base is blind.
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