someuser wrote: »

LonePirate wrote: »

Vyle_Byte wrote: »

There has been outrage, it doesn't matter. Raging is not going to get us anything though I do find it kind of funny that people think this is the best method to get anything done. Its not.

Are you sure about that? Sorcs have been raging for 15 pages in this thread and ZOS is bending over backwards to address their concerns. If we formed a similar united front about the lack of content, ZOS might at least talk to us instead of ignoring us like they have done so far.

And this is why we need the LoL button back. Since I no longer possess such an option good sir:

LOL to you.

Yeah, before you say it is just raging, I know for a fact that they have also given good feedback as to why the Sorc is bad. They have broken down what doesn't work and possible fixes. I mean, part of that may have been "raging", but without the other part, it would be useless.

And to the OP, honestly I think most people have left or just resigned themselves to what ZOS gives them. I have been trying to decide if it is worth staying more than being concerned with what we aren't getting. There was huge uproar when the 30CP issue over this. They gave out 70CP instead and it all went sort of quiet. Now don't get me wrong, I am not complaining about it, just saying that the lack of new content just got swept under the rug.

The Customer Is Always Wrong

Audigy wrote: »

Don't blame the Dev´s, blame the current generation that consumes games like we consumed drugs and Rock & Roll in our youth

Yeah, really. Don't blame the devs.

It's not like they have any control over how the game's designed.

I see absolutely no point in paying for a sub after March 17th. If somehow they manage to put out some content for a change I plan on buying it. Even if they do have some kind of loyalty reward system going forward it will be like the last one where you can buy your way in. I dont need 10% more xp. I dont really care how long it takes to get to max CP. I dont even have a max level character and Ive been here since day one.

So one nice thing about this I can still play even tho Im not paying them monthly.

Zrakie wrote: »

phreatophile wrote: »

How so? Vet ranks are staying for the forseeable future. You'll need to be in an area within 5 levels of VR14 to get any XP, this leaves your last 2 zones and Craglorn and whatever pitance of XP you can get from Cyrodil.

Hmm... could you point me to the general direction that where did you find the info on the "within 5 levels of VR14 to get any XP"? Because if this is true then my VR14 seems to be bugged since it gets XP from VR1 kills, minimal but XP none the less.

EDIT: The actual exp amounts (Normal mobs)

VR1-9: 129XP per kill.
VR10: 322XP per kill.
VR11-14: 430XP per kill.

I should have said "within 5 levels to get any decent XP". I'm aware that we get minimal XP, but it's an awful long while to 400K per Champion Point at 100ish XP per kill.

LonePirate wrote: »

someuser wrote: »

LonePirate wrote: »

Vyle_Byte wrote: »

There has been outrage, it doesn't matter. Raging is not going to get us anything though I do find it kind of funny that people think this is the best method to get anything done. Its not.

Are you sure about that? Sorcs have been raging for 15 pages in this thread and ZOS is bending over backwards to address their concerns. If we formed a similar united front about the lack of content, ZOS might at least talk to us instead of ignoring us like they have done so far.

And this is why we need the LoL button back. Since I no longer possess such an option good sir:

LOL to you.

How many times has ZOS said they are reviewing complaints about Sorcs and working on player concerns? Several. How many times has ZOS addressing complaints about a lack of content for earning XP for the CS? None.

I think, if I were to tally a list of many of the top player concerns and criticisms on the OFFICIAL forums, a vast majority are not even acknowledged let alone addressed. In fact, aside from this recent patch on the PTS, a common complaint of PTS players were obvious and game breaking bugs were ignored both in the in-game reporting and on the forums.

So if ZoS is listening, that is a great and welcomed change...

firstdecan wrote: »

This is the process. It's OK, we're all going through it.

1 - Shock
2 - Anger
3 - Resistance
4 - Acceptance

This is now a F2P game. B2P is an interim cash grab, nothing more. They will release the DLC content they developed while we were paying our subs as purchasable content (Imperial City and Wrothgar). If these sell they *might* make more and try to profit from it. If the DLC doesn't sell they will stock the crown store with "chainkinis" to boost sales and leave the game to rot.

If you're angry about the decisions ZoS is making, make sure to unsub the day the game goes F2P. Even if you want to maintain your sub, unsub for a week just to send the message. Losing subs at that rate will make their accountants mess their pants, and will be unmistakable feedback from the user community.

You forgot denial

---- which is where a definite chunk of people are about this issue, wrapped up as they are in insisting anyone voicing discontent about lack of content to support 1.6 is just representing a minority who skipped everything and headed ba{{s first to endgame, only getting there by grinding. Meh, they will find out for themselves soon enough what the reality of the content offered really is once they get here too.

As far as what DLCs will or won't get released, all is nothing but conjecture at this point. Fall is a long ways off either way, so I am not holding my breath. If we get anything more subtantial than part two of the Justice System I would be pleasantly surprised.

Soulshine wrote: »

You forgot denial

---- which is where a definite chunk of people are about this issue, wrapped up as they are in insisting anyone voicing discontent about lack of content to support 1.6 is just representing a minority who skipped everything and headed ba{{s first to endgame, only getting there by grinding. Meh, they will find out for themselves soon enough what the reality of the content offered really is once they get here too.

As far as what DLCs will or won't get released, all is nothing but conjecture at this point. Fall is a long ways off either way, so I am not holding my breath. If we get anything more subtantial than part two of the Justice System I would be pleasantly surprised.

The fact that such an active and long standing member of the community is also voicing concern/doubt/apathy whatever you want to call it, at the prospective content availability for the next year should really be a wake up call to ZOS, just like the multitude of other long standing, active members of the community have voiced.

But nope.

Cos reasons.

rhyslg wrote: »

But nope.

Cos reasons.

...Cos paid DLC and crown shop.

The promotional materials from last year's QuakeCon onwards have suggested to me that if further zones aren't finished at this very moment (and I suspect that at least one or two might be) that they could be finished in a matter of weeks.

They are unlikely to release them together now when it will be possible to release them at intervals as paid DLC a few months after console release, at a point where even the new console players are hungry for new content so as to maximize the amount of monetary return. They will sit/have been sitting on this new content until then.

If the above sounds like a cynical take on this situation... that is because it is.

Iluvrien wrote: »

rhyslg wrote: »

But nope.

Cos reasons.

...Cos paid DLC and crown shop.

The promotional materials from last year's QuakeCon onwards have suggested to me that if further zones aren't finished at this very moment (and I suspect that at least one or two might be) that they could be finished in a matter of weeks.

They are unlikely to release them together now when it will be possible to release them at intervals as paid DLC a few months after console release, at a point where even the new console players are hungry for new content so as to maximize the amount of monetary return. They will sit/have been sitting on this new content until then.

If the above sounds like a cynical take on this situation... that is because it is.

I honestly couldn't care less if its paid DLC or Crown Shop tat, I don't even care if its released in intervals I would throw so much money at them if they released a new zone tomorrow. They should just be talking to their player base about when, scheduling regular content or updating us on the ones we've seen eg wrothgar/murkmire/clock city etc etc. Its communication on its most basic level the people playing the game have been playing for ages and want more content, the champion system isn't new content, neither is the justice system as it stands. Waiting until next Autumn isn't cool.

New content is a new Zone pvp OR pve, that is literally all anyone wants, in anyway shape or form for the love of stendarr give us new content and stop coming across so shady and secretive/money grabbing, its really bringing me down about a game I really love.

I realise all these forums are used for is QQ and hate, I'm not usually one of those people to do that but oh my gosh give us new content soon.

/rant

riverdragon72 wrote: »

Ixtyr wrote: »

Why not? Because this is new content. The Champion System is completely rewriting how this game works beyond Level 50,.

No it's not. There is absolutely nothing new quest/pvp/ or grind wise to do, nothing new to look at or adventure through. Nothing. The map will look exactly the same as before. Screwing over some game mechanics and adding a bunch of things that may, or probably not work is not content.

You don't count dragon star arena or the new trial? I do wish there was more though. Especially with the amount of stuff promised. It's nice what they are adding but it's not really new content. Dark brotherhood, thieves guild, spell crafting, Imperial City....THAT would be stuff I'd get excited for!

I think they could to add some single player hardcore content, at least few dungoens where people could grind with a chance of getting some random rewards there. It's definetly something this game is missing.

Other option would be to add more random monster / boss spawn to the game, like deadric fissures just more randomly spawned with random bosses and random rewards. It's actually much less boring grinding this way since people would have to explore and find those enocunters. Maybe portals to small oblivion dimensions? Quite easy to implement yet so much fun and power would come along this one.

Redefining how you play content as in the champion point system is not "new" content, neither are bug fixes or rebalancing the game to allow the said champion system.

Cynics and apologists need to stand together. The practical truth is that Craglorn and upper Craglorn were the last content updates. There is no solid release date for Imperial City or Other new areas, nor is 1.6 going to bring the complete Justice System.

I have felt, as have many, that we've been beta testing the game for console's since April 2013. That seems to be the continued direction, sadly. It has me reinstalling Skyrim and looking for something else to play for the next year, until ZOS figures out who their customer is, and I really love this game. Heartbroken.

In conclusion, ranting and being vocal has had very, very little impact on the direction this game has taken. There are processes going on that we don't see, and we get things we don't even rant/ask for as in > Where's the rants for adding chat bubbles? Yet, we have them. Rather, the game seems to be following in- transparent Guild conclaves, with weights given to first-beta testers, those that are invited to Team speak or PvP with devs, private forums (psic) and other unseen and unvocal influencers. As consumers we can take it or leave it. Getting upset or involved doesn't offer benefits anymore, not since last summer.


(And yes I'm on the PTS, yes I've grouped with devs, yes I've submitted bugs, feedback, been in ts etc)

Why?

Because most people here are adults and generally don't get outraged over petty things like video games.

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

I guess most players realize that completely overhauling the endgame and adding the justice system may have taken enough developer resources that some new content had to take a backseat.

End game has not been overhauled, The End game comes at around level 50 . However if putting in the essentially pointless champion system and the equally pointless justice system (as it now stands) sapped their resources then they must have few resources...oops I forgot, most of the resources are working on Consoles all funded by your and our $15 a month .