Trading guilds demands

Demira · February 2015

I was confronted by the [snip] guild and he wanted to know if i had stuff for sale and if not he expects 100k in buying from people that are in the guild.
I was a buyer ...when I was needing something for my guildies ...example, materials, gear ...I went to that guild first. BUT there is no freaken way I can spend 100k a god d*mn week to spend in one trading guild!
WTF!

[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Naming & Shaming]

starkerealm · February 2015

Yeah, that's insane.

Lady_Rosabella · February 2015

You have got to be kidding me right? I was thinking of joining that guild as I to purchase materials on a regular basis, I'm not a seller, but there is no way I can afford to purchase 100K a week. Apparently that guild only cares for big spenders, not realizing that every little purchase adds up. I will not be joining that trading guild!!

Iluvrien · February 2015

Which server? If it is EU then thanks for the heads-up and warning!

timidobserver · February 2015

That is pretty hard core.

Amsel_McKay · February 2015

They are going for the big spenders it seems, with people sitting on 200million 100k a week is nothing.

Roechacca · February 2015

Someone said trade guilds prevents gold farmers in another thread .

Not from this vantage point .

Arkadius · February 2015

Iluvrien wrote: »

Which server? If it is EU then thanks for the heads-up and warning!

Never seen that name on EU. Must be NA therefore.

Yiiiikes · February 2015

I'm in that guild on NA and never heard of anything like that before.

Sounds like BS to me.

SteveCampsOut · February 2015

I'm not sure what to believe, I've seen some pretty outrageous demands by large trade guild GM's before but this one is hard to believe.

starkerealm · February 2015

Yiiiikes wrote: »

I'm in that guild on NA and never heard of anything like that before.

Sounds like BS to me.

Might just be a stray flake. I had a guild years ago where one of the members went off his nut and started making bizarre demands like that. Before that, he'd been an officer, so... ugh. It was a mess.

timidobserver · February 2015

roechacca wrote: »

Someone said trade guilds prevents gold farmers in another thread .

Not from this vantage point .

I think that this thread is pretty much an example of one bad trading guild. It doesn't really say anything about "trading guilds" as a collective.

Minack · February 2015

timidobserver wrote: »

roechacca wrote: »

Someone said trade guilds prevents gold farmers in another thread .

Not from this vantage point .

I think that this thread is pretty much an example of one bad trading guild. It doesn't really say anything about "trading guilds" as a collective.

Sure it does.

P3ZZL3 · February 2015

Minack - not really.

The vast majority are good places, good people and just want people to be active.

One I'm in, actually gives out a reward each month for the most active buyers and sellers.

Alphashado · February 2015

Good trading guilds are much more concerned with making sure they keep a full roster of active players. This in itself is a monumental task that requires a ton of active recruiting and a core of officers that help with recruiting and booting inactive players on a daily basis. There is no way that a guild could maintain a full roster of 500 active members that bought or bought/contributed 100k per week.

I am also a member of this guild, and I can assure you that I have never heard anything like this mentioned. This is the kind of rumor that feeds conspiracy theories and is easily started by one disgruntled X member or a deluded member talking trash to another member.

I've been playing since beta and I maintain a whopping balance of 200k atm, so I can assure you that trading guilds aren't nearly the collection of elite greedy players that many people claim them to be.

firstdecan · February 2015

timidobserver wrote: »

roechacca wrote: »

Someone said trade guilds prevents gold farmers in another thread .

Not from this vantage point .

I think that this thread is pretty much an example of one bad trading guild. It doesn't really say anything about "trading guilds" as a collective.

It could be an example of several things:

Practices of a really 'elitist' trade guild
Practices that are gaining popularity amongst other trade guilds (you have to sell or buy a certain quantity)
1 person in 1 particular guild trolling someone he didn't like (in game)
The wealth disparity that exists in ESO's economy
The caste system that has developed in ESO due to the need for trade guilds
An indirect example of "Naming and Shaming" in the forums

In the absence of evidence to support any of these possibilities, it might only serve as an example of rumor mongering.

ashlee17 · February 2015

Plenty of fantastic guilds out there with no such requirements. Pm or mail me in game if you are on the NA server and I'll set you up with some

Minack · February 2015

There's nothing wrong with forming guilds for trading purposes, but the fact you HAVE to be in such a guild to have any efficient chance of making sales is ridiculous.

Keep the guild kiosks and the keep stores but add an AH to each capital city. Mark up the AH fees enough to make them purely a source of convenience shopping. This allows the kiosks to be the place to go for discounts, etc. By Grabthar's hammer, what a concept.

MornaBaine · February 2015

Come join The Wandering Merchants (NA). I've been through a dozen trade guilds and this is the only one I stay with. Super nice helpful people. They like it if you contribute of course so they can keep their kiosk open but are not "hard sell" or demanding at all.

starkerealm · February 2015

Minack wrote: »

timidobserver wrote: »

roechacca wrote: »

Someone said trade guilds prevents gold farmers in another thread .

Not from this vantage point .

I think that this thread is pretty much an example of one bad trading guild. It doesn't really say anything about "trading guilds" as a collective.

Sure it does.

Nah, it really doesn't. Guilds are like any other group of people: all over the place.

You'll get guilds that are really aggressive, or members of guilds that are really aggressive, and you'll get really good ones that are just packed with decent individuals.

I honestly need to leave my trade guild and join a different one, but that has more to do with the guild leader being inactive, and no one else having the authority to bid on a kiosk. Not because we have some insane power mad middle management running loose.

Armitas · February 2015

Wow, 100k dues for a trading guild? For what? The best trade locations? I avoid those like the plague because the best trade locations have the worst prices. If I want to buy something the last place I will check is Craglorn.

starkerealm · February 2015

Craglorn's good for some things. If you're going after stuff that expects you to be in gold content, like daedra hearts or paladium, it's pretty good. There's also a pretty decent rotation of cheap dwemer pages in the vendors there. It's not bad for rare motifs, though you will be paying a premium for them. But, if you're looking for lower end items, you're going to be out of luck.

Minack · February 2015

starkerealm wrote: »

Minack wrote: »

timidobserver wrote: »

roechacca wrote: »

Someone said trade guilds prevents gold farmers in another thread .

Not from this vantage point .

I think that this thread is pretty much an example of one bad trading guild. It doesn't really say anything about "trading guilds" as a collective.

Sure it does.

Nah, it really doesn't. Guilds are like any other group of people: all over the place.

You'll get guilds that are really aggressive, or members of guilds that are really aggressive, and you'll get really good ones that are just packed with decent individuals.

I honestly need to leave my trade guild and join a different one, but that has more to do with the guild leader being inactive, and no one else having the authority to bid on a kiosk. Not because we have some insane power mad middle management running loose.

Yeah, I get it. Spare me the "Not All Guilds Are Like That" (NAGALT) defense. The bottom line is that the lack of a decent auction house only amplifies any negative issues with guild stores.

Roechacca · February 2015

Minack wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

Minack wrote: »

timidobserver wrote: »

roechacca wrote: »

Someone said trade guilds prevents gold farmers in another thread .

Not from this vantage point .

I think that this thread is pretty much an example of one bad trading guild. It doesn't really say anything about "trading guilds" as a collective.

Sure it does.

Nah, it really doesn't. Guilds are like any other group of people: all over the place.

You'll get guilds that are really aggressive, or members of guilds that are really aggressive, and you'll get really good ones that are just packed with decent individuals.

I honestly need to leave my trade guild and join a different one, but that has more to do with the guild leader being inactive, and no one else having the authority to bid on a kiosk. Not because we have some insane power mad middle management running loose.

Yeah, I get it. Spare me the "Not All Guilds Are Like That" (NAGALT) defense. The bottom line is that the lack of a decent auction house only amplifies any negative issues with guild stores.

Exactly .

Keepercraft · February 2015

How about single player can own shop in city?

Rosveen · February 2015

Armitas wrote: »

Wow, 100k dues for a trading guild? For what? The best trade locations? I avoid those like the plague because the best trade locations have the worst prices. If I want to buy something the last place I will check is Craglorn.

Not fees, weekly turnover. He wants people to buy or sell items worth 100k - which will bring a nice number into the guild bank in form of taxes. But it's still madness. I wonder if this guy is angry at the guild for some reason and wants to give it a bad name.

Theosis · February 2015

Yeah, I joined a trade guild then found out they demand me to pay 50k or some such per week to be in their guild.

1. I've never had that much gold. (I don't have a reason to have that much gold since I craft everything myself and I spent most of my loot on bank space)

2. The idea of charging people to sell in their guild is just plain silly

3. The markets are so in flux that its no guarantee that I could even make that much a week let alone more.

starkerealm · February 2015

Theosis wrote: »

Yeah, I joined a trade guild then found out they demand me to pay 50k or some such per week to be in their guild.

1. I've never had that much gold. (I don't have a reason to have that much gold since I craft everything myself and I spent most of my loot on bank space)

2. The idea of charging people to sell in their guild is just plain silly

3. The markets are so in flux that its no guarantee that I could even make that much a week let alone more.

50k's the highest I've ever heard of in one of these... but, I've known guilds that charge a 1k or 5k weekly fee. The idea is they're using that money to bid on and win their guild vendor each week, so your dues aren't just idle greed, it is actually serving a purpose. But... that said... 50k is bonkers.

Roechacca · February 2015

Theosis wrote: »

Yeah, I joined a trade guild then found out they demand me to pay 50k or some such per week to be in their guild.

1. I've never had that much gold. (I don't have a reason to have that much gold since I craft everything myself and I spent most of my loot on bank space)

2. The idea of charging people to sell in their guild is just plain silly

3. The markets are so in flux that its no guarantee that I could even make that much a week let alone more.

Paying to be in a guild for the right to buy goods is just terrible . I knew there was a reason I hated this idea over AH .

Armitas · February 2015

Theosis wrote: »

Yeah, I joined a trade guild then found out they demand me to pay 50k or some such per week to be in their guild.

1. I've never had that much gold. (I don't have a reason to have that much gold since I craft everything myself and I spent most of my loot on bank space)

2. The idea of charging people to sell in their guild is just plain silly

3. The markets are so in flux that its no guarantee that I could even make that much a week let alone more.

Man, I just use my PvE guild to trade stuff and participate in the raffle when I like the prize. I pretty much sell everything that I price to sell. I think our vendor is in shadowfen too. There are always people looking for a deal, or looking to consume all the deals to resell it at a higher cost so it sells no matter where it is.

I have over a 1m gold just from using my PvE guilds trader and another no obligation trade guild back when I had room for it. Requiring 50k means you have to spend a lot of time each week making sure you have enough product to sell to just to break even. just doesn't seem worth it at all.

Nestor · February 2015

None of the Trading Guilds I am in require fees. They do run Raffles, but they are not required. Drop the guild and join another one, no need to make a thread about it.

These kinds of problems take care of themselves if you ignore them. Either because they no longer affect you, or the guild dries up from members leaving.