Bank space improvement Idea. Crown store item worth buying.

Robbmrp · February 2015

If someone already mentioned this in any previous posts I apologize as I didn't have time to search for it.

One way to help bank space and organization would be to create "chests" that could be placed in the bank slots. The chest would remove x number of slots from the total bank capacity but within each chest would be 10-50 slots depending on the chest size(if more than one size is available). These would be generic chests like those found currently in the game that can hold any item. You could have chests of varying size/slot capacity.

These could be added as a Craft able Item or a Direct Buy from the Crown Store(more money for ESO). The icon's are already designed for chests in the game so that would not require any additional art work costs. These would NOT need an animation associated with it as they would open just like clicking on your existing bank so no additional programming for that. This should be possible with minimal programming hours and would be easy to add within a month to the Crown store.

By having these chests available, we can easily organize our trade items as well as armor/weapon sets. It's a win, win for everyone.

This is something that I would actually buy Crowns for. This would appeal to those customers(me and others) who aren't into the novelty items(costumes, mount skins, etc).

What do you all think?

AshySamurai · February 2015

I think l2manage_bank_space. No, we don't need it.

Robbmrp · February 2015

The Crown Store isn't about what people need, it's about what they want. Costumes, skins, containers, they are all luxury items that people would spend Crowns on. There's nothing in there that anyone truly needs.

Troneon · February 2015

AshySamurai wrote: »

I think l2manage_bank_space. No, we don't need it.

We really do need it, the bank space and costs and item management in this game is the worst I have ever had in any game played in the past 20 years...

They need to do something. Or be prepared for more players to get frustrated with constantly having to log on mules or having to go back to town every 20 mins, then just leave the game.

starkerealm · February 2015

I'm not thrilled with the idea. I could be pretty happy with a separate bank inventory space for crafting mats, with a limit of a single stack for each item and anything past that just goes into the general inventory. But, from messing around on PTS using the Impromptu Nedic Destiny boxes... what you're proposing would be really annoying in practice. Go ahead on there, and roll up a template character if you want to see what I'm talking about.

Metrobius · February 2015

AshySamurai wrote: »

I think l2manage_bank_space. No, we don't need it.

Why bother to even post if you're just going to type a childish outburst in leetspeak? Extremely unhelpful.

On topic: I would rather see a more sensible solution. I think the way to go is to have seperate storage tabs and a way better way to sort and filter your bank space. Overall, I'm torn on wether we need additional storage. I think most of us could live without more space if we had better tools to organize our stuff.

AshySamurai · February 2015

Troneon wrote: »

AshySamurai wrote: »

I think l2manage_bank_space. No, we don't need it.

We really do need it, the bank space and costs and item management in this game is the worst I have ever had in any game played in the past 20 years...

They need to do something. Or be prepared for more players to get frustrated with constantly having to log on mules or having to go back to town every 20 mins, then just leave the game.

They already increased stack size few times. Last time in 1.6 from 100 to 200. Also, they remove all pets from inventory. Max bank space and riding skills and you find out that you have more space than you need. Of course of you don't keep all trash like lockpicks. I don't know how, but a lot of players are able to manage space pretty well. Ok, I know how to do it. Just don't pick more than you need. I have all herbs, all runes, stacks of mats, almost all high level provisioning and brewing mats, few sets, all trait stones, costumes and maybe I forgot something else and still have free space without maxed bank space. Why you can't do the same?

Iago · February 2015

Just sell bank/bag slots in the crown store

derpsticks · February 2015

I for one do not want to see anything like this. I think keeping the bank to a single level of storage is a good thing. Maybe allowing additional slots to be purchased from the crown store is all players need. I'd also like to add that any additional slots purchased should be limited to storing account bound items only to discourage players from stockpiling too much of anything.

Part of the reason there are storage limitations set in the current system is to encourage players to interact with each other and the eso economy by extension. Players limited in storage space have to sell what they don't need and buy what they do when they need it. Players with too much space can be negative influences on the economy since they dont have to buy things as often and are not forced to sell things either. This is why I think any additional storage should be for bound items only since they cannot be bought or sold. The additinal slots would be your personal slots, not your personal excuse to ignore the eso economy.

starkerealm · February 2015

AshySamurai wrote: »

Troneon wrote: »

AshySamurai wrote: »

I think l2manage_bank_space. No, we don't need it.

We really do need it, the bank space and costs and item management in this game is the worst I have ever had in any game played in the past 20 years...

They need to do something. Or be prepared for more players to get frustrated with constantly having to log on mules or having to go back to town every 20 mins, then just leave the game.

They already increased stack size few times. Last time in 1.6 from 100 to 200. Also, they remove all pets from inventory. Max bank space and riding skills and you find out that you have more space than you need. Of course of you don't keep all trash like lockpicks. I don't know how, but a lot of players are able to manage space pretty well. Ok, I know how to do it. Just don't pick more than you need. I have all herbs, all runes, stacks of mats, almost all high level provisioning and brewing mats, few sets, all trait stones, costumes and maybe I forgot something else and still have free space without maxed bank space. Why you can't do the same?

1.6 hasn't dropped yet.

I get what the design intention is. You're not supposed to pick up items you don't have a use for, so players are going to collect different things based on what they do, and then trade with one another to promote commerce and community interaction.

On paper it's a good goal. The problem is people don't actually play like that. They grab everything including the stuff they have no use for and then sell the things they don't use to other players. Which the system isn't really designed to accommodate. So we end up with a massive mess of people with completely clogged inventories and alts that literally exist only to cram more stuff into their inventories from that player's "real" characters.

Robbmrp · February 2015

IMO, the fact that people have "mules" screams that there's an issue with space management. In addition to "mules", some are using email(I do not) to store items temporarily which is contributing to it's delivery delay. Regardless of how organized you are, there isn't enough room for everything people want to keep. Yes, they added things to be stacked to 200 but that doesn't help for all items that do not currently stack.

ZOS will never again change the stack amounts or provide free spaces when they can profitably sell containers in the Crown Store. We are really lucky that they increased the stack amounts for us in 1.6.

There will be some form of container in there at some point, we might as well suggest it and get it available sooner than later.

radiostar · February 2015

It's like putting a purse in your pocketbook. I'm familiar with the idea from other games. Question is, should the chests be available for Level 1 or later in the game. The same way you can't craft from the purple motifs until you have levelled crafting somewhat. The first 5 or so levels might not be as much inventory/bank problems. After you start to level more, there's more management challenges. Lockpicks for adventuring, baits (plural) for fishing, trinkets from questing. It all adds up.

Robbmrp · February 2015

radiostar wrote: »

It's like putting a purse in your pocketbook. I'm familiar with the idea from other games. Question is, should the chests be available for Level 1 or later in the game. The same way you can't craft from the purple motifs until you have levelled crafting somewhat. The first 5 or so levels might not be as much inventory/bank problems. After you start to level more, there's more management challenges. Lockpicks for adventuring, baits (plural) for fishing, trinkets from questing. It all adds up.

Exactly. It's one of those things that would be there when you can afford it. So at their 1 month mark when they received Crowns they could get one if they wanted. Maybe not one of the larger slot chests but a smaller one to help with space.

derpsticks · February 2015

The mail is not delayed because people use it to store items. The mail system works on a schedule and is manually activated when a character either changes zones or relogs. The whole thing is just a script set to run every 15, 20, 5, whatever number of minutes that processes any pending mail transactions. It does this to prevent unnecessary load being placed on the server at random intervals each time a mail is sent. It is much more efficient to process the mail all at once or up to a certain threshold number than it is to process one here, 5 there, 30 here, 1000 here, etc.

Kaizxen · February 2015

Having chests within the bank slots...inventoryception? (couldn't resist)

While I agree that inventory space could be made available through the crown store, I'd rather it just be extra slots in the existing inventory system, or possibly a separate crafting material inventory, like GW2 has. Then, the crown store could sell optional expansions so the material inventory can stack larger amounts of each item for those of us who are hoarders.

TicToc · February 2015

I would rather see separate tabs rather than boxes withing boxes, but they need to do something.

AshySamurai wrote: »

Troneon wrote: »

AshySamurai wrote: »

I think l2manage_bank_space. No, we don't need it.

We really do need it, the bank space and costs and item management in this game is the worst I have ever had in any game played in the past 20 years...

They need to do something. Or be prepared for more players to get frustrated with constantly having to log on mules or having to go back to town every 20 mins, then just leave the game.

They already increased stack size few times. Last time in 1.6 from 100 to 200. Also, they remove all pets from inventory. Max bank space and riding skills and you find out that you have more space than you need. Of course of you don't keep all trash like lockpicks. I don't know how, but a lot of players are able to manage space pretty well. Ok, I know how to do it. Just don't pick more than you need. I have all herbs, all runes, stacks of mats, almost all high level provisioning and brewing mats, few sets, all trait stones, costumes and maybe I forgot something else and still have free space without maxed bank space. Why you can't do the same?

Yes. Stop trolling all the threads on inventory and posting your lame "l2manage your bank space" crap. Clearly it is a problem for a lot of people. Many of which are no longer here playing the game. Inventory management in this game is cumbersome, and sucks a lot of the fun out of this game, and people quit playing when they aren't having fun.

Seeing as this suggestion was an option for people that want it, I don't see your need to constantly chime in. If you are fine with your inventory as it is, something like this has no effect on you. You can go on as you always have. Meanwhile, this inventory system is really having a negative impact on a lot of people, and something needs to be changed.

Attorneyatlawl · February 2015

An emphatic NO WAY to this idea. You already can buy a second copy of the game with no subscription, and use it as storage forever. The difference there is it doesn't eliminate a major gold sink in the economy since you still have to buy the space with gold. Allowing bypassing that would, without question, hurt the economy by adding a good deal of inflation on gold. I don't see any reason they should drop the gold requirement.

Possible changes could be to allow for buying character slots, since you already could do that by buying a second account with the buy to play thing as a one time thing anyway. Another could be to unlock more bank expansions to be available to you by paying gold to the npc, above the normal cap.

Truth is space is fairly plentiful in eco and it's a matter of not being lazy in managing it, but this way would allow more without damaging the in game economy a ton.

starkerealm · February 2015

Robbmrp wrote: »

IMO, the fact that people have "mules" screams that there's an issue with space management. In addition to "mules", some are using email(I do not) to store items temporarily which is contributing to it's delivery delay. Regardless of how organized you are, there isn't enough room for everything people want to keep. Yes, they added things to be stacked to 200 but that doesn't help for all items that do not currently stack.

ZOS will never again change the stack amounts or provide free spaces when they can profitably sell containers in the Crown Store. We are really lucky that they increased the stack amounts for us in 1.6.

There will be some form of container in there at some point, we might as well suggest it and get it available sooner than later.

I don't agree that containers are inevitable. Again, that is a really awkward solution, and I can easily see ways it could be abused. What's more likely is that additional bank slots will be sold in the crown store. There's actually a green response suggesting that they're listening to that subject in another thread. So... no, I don't think containers are the solution.

I really, really, suggest you get on the PTS (if you haven't already) and look at the box of impromptu nedic destiny. It's such a freakin' pain, and exactly what you're advocating, so you really need to see it first hand to understand why I keep telling you, "NO! Don't do this! It won't work!"

Attorneyatlawl · February 2015

Robbmrp wrote: »

IMO, the fact that people have "mules" screams that there's an issue with space management. In addition to "mules", some are using email(I do not) to store items temporarily which is contributing to it's delivery delay. Regardless of how organized you are, there isn't enough room for everything people want to keep. Yes, they added things to be stacked to 200 but that doesn't help for all items that do not currently stack.

ZOS will never again change the stack amounts or provide free spaces when they can profitably sell containers in the Crown Store. We are really lucky that they increased the stack amounts for us in 1.6.

There will be some form of container in there at some point, we might as well suggest it and get it available sooner than later.

Not true at all, and simply selling bank space will damage the economy. I can't think of a single mmorpg where people don't use mules to store stuff. That has absolutely nothing to do with indicating if there's enough storage in eso.

ashlee17 · February 2015

Yes to more bank space, no to it being in the crown store.

Please just add it and let me buy it with in game gold.

nhisso · March 2015

I don't understand why the ESO community is so full of b.s.. The way banks and bank space are handled in ESO are absolutely ridiculous. ESO players seem to think because some things in this game are different than what is found in other MMORPGs, it automatically makes it a good thing. So absurd. This game has many big problems, bank space being one of them, and I constantly see ESO players acting like it doesn't and then insulting or mocking people who point out the flaws. Pathetic. Cant even really play atm because my bank is filled to the brim and almost out of ways to get more space unless i start killing alts and making them in to banks instead.

On the other hand, I am talking to a community that thinks this game has "builds", and that the classes are done well, and that crying about having to think in other MMOs; thus making the latest MMOs in to dumbed down non sense where you get a whole 5 skills at a time (don't even try to count ultimates, potions, and in other games, skills with extremely long cool downs like in GW2) to use. So, I digress. Cant wait to unsub on the 17th.

ElliottXO · March 2015

Hoarders gonna hoard. No matter how much bank space you give them.

We need the gold sink from the in game bank size increases, so not a big fan of the idea as it might replace gold spendings.

Vaelen · March 2015

The only things I want in the Crown Store are the ESO plus and DLCs. Hopefully we will get them in when Tamriel Unlimited gets released.

firstdecan · March 2015

Robbmrp wrote: »

The Crown Store isn't about what people need, it's about what they want. Costumes, skins, containers, they are all luxury items that people would spend Crowns on. There's nothing in there that anyone truly needs.

Shame on you. Every proud Nord warrior needs a wedding dress.

DeLindsay · March 2015

Although I'm in no real need for Bank space since 1.6 hit (and certainly not Character inventory space) this is a reasonable idea.