Class Forums Needed

Varicite · February 2015

pieceofyarnb14_ESO wrote: »

Would love to see a class forum, somewhere I can get tips or advice from other players. Answers to questions I don't understand. It's needed for sure. +1 to the OP

Out of curiosity, why can you not accomplish this in the current forum?

Armitas · February 2015

With moderation against class trolling as well so that every discussion isn't derailed.

Alurria · February 2015

Varicite wrote: »

pieceofyarnb14_ESO wrote: »

Would love to see a class forum, somewhere I can get tips or advice from other players. Answers to questions I don't understand. It's needed for sure. +1 to the OP

Out of curiosity, why can you not accomplish this in the current forum?

Honestly, ease of searching, like minded people interested in the same class. Searching is easier if I want to find out about classes. People who know more than I do about mechanics etc. I just made a Templar and honestly I'm not knowledgeable about this class, so before I make to many mistakes I would love a class forum to read about others builds. But mostly for ease of searching.

Varicite · February 2015

pieceofyarnb14_ESO wrote: »

Varicite wrote: »

pieceofyarnb14_ESO wrote: »

Would love to see a class forum, somewhere I can get tips or advice from other players. Answers to questions I don't understand. It's needed for sure. +1 to the OP

Out of curiosity, why can you not accomplish this in the current forum?

Honestly, ease of searching, like minded people interested in the same class. Searching is easier if I want to find out about classes. People who know more than I do about mechanics etc. I just made a Templar and honestly I'm not knowledgeable about this class, so before I make to many mistakes I would love a class forum to read about others builds. But mostly for ease of searching.

I agree that the search function is inadequate at best when trying to find class-specific information.

Another poster above suggested keeping the current main forum as a splash page, but to make class-specific subforums that are still viewable from the splash page. I like this idea a lot, as it both helps to organize information for those who are looking for general topics about a class, but also does not cordon off the subforums from the other classes.

As an aside, if you are searching for Templar-specific information on builds, might I recommend a gander at Tamriel Foundry's Templar Theorycrafting forum? TF is a pretty great source for info on the game in general. : )

http://tamrielfoundry.com/forum/classes/templar-class/

Sallington · February 2015

I was kind of surprised they didn't launch with class forums? Is there any MMO forum that doesn't have them? How else can you have class discussions without making a mess of some other section?

Soulshine · February 2015

Varicite wrote: »

pieceofyarnb14_ESO wrote: »

Varicite wrote: »

pieceofyarnb14_ESO wrote: »

Would love to see a class forum, somewhere I can get tips or advice from other players. Answers to questions I don't understand. It's needed for sure. +1 to the OP

Out of curiosity, why can you not accomplish this in the current forum?

Honestly, ease of searching, like minded people interested in the same class. Searching is easier if I want to find out about classes. People who know more than I do about mechanics etc. I just made a Templar and honestly I'm not knowledgeable about this class, so before I make to many mistakes I would love a class forum to read about others builds. But mostly for ease of searching.

I agree that the search function is inadequate at best when trying to find class-specific information.

Another poster above suggested keeping the current main forum as a splash page, but to make class-specific subforums that are still viewable from the splash page. I like this idea a lot, as it both helps to organize information for those who are looking for general topics about a class, but also does not cordon off the subforums from the other classes.

As an aside, if you are searching for Templar-specific information on builds, might I recommend a gander at Tamriel Foundry's Templar Theorycrafting forum? TF is a pretty great source for info on the game in general. : )

http://tamrielfoundry.com/forum/classes/templar-class/

Well this is pretty much the point.

Obviously people can read all sections of the forum at anytime they please so it is not possible to "cordon off" anything. I merely suggested they be linked through "Combat and Mechanics" as the focus of class theorycrafting tend to include those details. Doesn't mean that is the best place for them. People discussing this as we are now is the best way to come up with a good proposal on how/where they should be

But heck ANYPLACE they would choose to put them would be a welcome addition to our own forums, rather than being relegated to do theorycrafting or simple class specific info on another site. Of course I can post a thread for that here, but it is not the same as having a specific sections to exchange information with all NBs for example, as opposed to people that don't want to read about that. As far as Tamriel Foundry, it is a nice site and I have been a memeber of both ER and TF in particular for a long time, but I would like to see that ZoS has a little more interest in providing players here more tools to learn and communicate with each other, as do other games and other gaming sites - especially in light of the new players that will be coming into the game.

Obviously they can choose to ingnore this if they wish.

Morshire · February 2015

pieceofyarnb14_ESO wrote: »

Varicite wrote: »

pieceofyarnb14_ESO wrote: »

Would love to see a class forum, somewhere I can get tips or advice from other players. Answers to questions I don't understand. It's needed for sure. +1 to the OP

Out of curiosity, why can you not accomplish this in the current forum?

Honestly, ease of searching, like minded people interested in the same class. Searching is easier if I want to find out about classes. People who know more than I do about mechanics etc. I just made a Templar and honestly I'm not knowledgeable about this class, so before I make to many mistakes I would love a class forum to read about others builds. But mostly for ease of searching.

I think that questions/statements just like this show the need, not want, for exactly what the OP is discussing. And this is only heightened by the fact that you need to go to some outside website forum to discuss mechanics of the game that does not have this option for their players. That is ridiculous to me. I too have a Templar, and have found, after hours of searching over X amount of days, that there are in fact many threads about Temps. The problem is that they are mainly outdated, and if you do want to follow them, you have to say something in them or mark them, to not have to do more hours of searching to find them again.

I mainly made the comment to bump this. I feel this topic is not getting adequate attention. The requests that come to this forum range from good, to completely out of line. This simple request seems minimal in the grand scheme of things, yet personally, I think it would have a large impact. In light of the fact that they just did an overhaul, you think ZOS would have granted this small request. And no, I seriously doubt that it would be a DK bashing area, yet it would be nice to have that bashing in its' own place. IMO.

BBSooner · February 2015

I agree, class forums with stickies for build suggestions and a FAQ about vague/obscure skills would be absolutely amazing. All we'd need Is the area to do it and the community could provide the content.

Soulshine · February 2015

Morshire wrote: »

pieceofyarnb14_ESO wrote: »

Varicite wrote: »

pieceofyarnb14_ESO wrote: »

Would love to see a class forum, somewhere I can get tips or advice from other players. Answers to questions I don't understand. It's needed for sure. +1 to the OP

Out of curiosity, why can you not accomplish this in the current forum?

Honestly, ease of searching, like minded people interested in the same class. Searching is easier if I want to find out about classes. People who know more than I do about mechanics etc. I just made a Templar and honestly I'm not knowledgeable about this class, so before I make to many mistakes I would love a class forum to read about others builds. But mostly for ease of searching.

I think that questions/statements just like this show the need, not want, for exactly what the OP is discussing. And this is only heightened by the fact that you need to go to some outside website forum to discuss mechanics of the game that does not have this option for their players. That is ridiculous to me. I too have a Templar, and have found, after hours of searching over X amount of days, that there are in fact many threads about Temps. The problem is that they are mainly outdated, and if you do want to follow them, you have to say something in them or mark them, to not have to do more hours of searching to find them again.

I mainly made the comment to bump this. I feel this topic is not getting adequate attention. The requests that come to this forum range from good, to completely out of line. This simple request seems minimal in the grand scheme of things, yet personally, I think it would have a large impact. In light of the fact that they just did an overhaul, you think ZOS would have granted this small request. And no, I seriously doubt that it would be a DK bashing area, yet it would be nice to have that bashing in its' own place. IMO.

Thanks for the feedback. It seems based on the limited responses that people are simply not even interested in this to read the thread let alone respond one way or the other, lol. Apparently arguing over "controvesial topics" is more forum fun

cyqa · February 2015

I absolutely agree!

I want to talk shop with other people who play my class, compare build ideas, etc. -especially with the 1.6 changes coming soon. Searching for threads, as it is set up now, is tedious. I want to hear people's personal success/failure stories with their new builds and read the advice from others on how they could improve. I want to see theorycrafters' advice on awesome PVP builds and must-try PVE end-game builds.

Please, ZOS! There really is no reason why there shouldn't be class subforums.

Speaks · February 2015

I don't think we need Class Forums.

Yes, every other MMO has them. But ESO is not every other MMO.

Your class trees only make up 3 of many possible trees.

I think what would work better is a "Role Forum." Healing, Damage Dealing, Tanking. That'd be more useful.

Soulshine · February 2015

Speaks wrote: »

I don't think we need Class Forums.

Yes, every other MMO has them. But ESO is not every other MMO.

Your class trees only make up 3 of many possible trees.

I think what would work better is a "Role Forum." Healing, Damage Dealing, Tanking. That'd be more useful.

Well, that is certainly one other possibility too which I like.

The issue remains though that each of those roles are obviously impacted very differently depending on the class you choose. A sorcerer healing vs a nightblade vs a templar can be significantly different in their approach. Same for tanking or dps. People interested in doing more than one role in their respective class could find more information in one place if they had a section in the forum to discuss those interests particular to their class and role vs the general role itself.

Obviously it will remain argued it isn't needed on the forums, but I fail to see why it would not be useful. It would make many things better for conversations as well as for keeping up with more detailed information that was within easy reach of devs and players, new and old alike.

Sigtric · February 2015

Add me as another vote for Class Forums. I think they would be a great tool.

Sphinx2318 · February 2015

yes

Sallington · February 2015

Speaks wrote: »

I don't think we need Class Forums.

Yes, every other MMO has them. But ESO is not every other MMO.

Your class trees only make up 3 of many possible trees.

I think what would work better is a "Role Forum." Healing, Damage Dealing, Tanking. That'd be more useful.

It's true that each class only has 3 trees, but those trees synergize completely different with all of the other trees compared to other classes.

derpsticks · February 2015

I wouldn't mind having a forum with dedicated threads for each skill. Then at least you would be able to find all relevant info for a skill in one place.

Soulshine · February 2015

derpsticks wrote: »

I wouldn't mind having a forum with dedicated threads for each skill. Then at least you would be able to find all relevant info for a skill in one place.

Did you mean for each class skill line, or all skill lines in the game by type regardless of class?

derpsticks · February 2015

Just a forum that has a thread for each skill in the game not just class skills.

Yolokin_Swagonborn · February 2015

Kilandros wrote: »

To be fair, the DK forum would literally just be complaint posts made by NB players.

The nightblade forum would be empty. Nightblades would just post in every other class forum.

No discussion of templar sustain, DK tanking, or sorc DPS would be complete without a friendly reminder that dark cloak is still bugged.

Soulshine · February 2015

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

Kilandros wrote: »

To be fair, the DK forum would literally just be complaint posts made by NB players.

The nightblade forum would be empty. Nightblades would just post in every other class forum.

No discussion of templar sustain, DK tanking, or sorc DPS would be complete without a friendly reminder that dark cloak is still bugged.

That a NB would be posting in non NB threads is a given; so would other people. That isn't a reason to not have sections for class discussion however, since the benefits of having the information more easily housed and viewed far outweigh any random people posting in those sections just for the sake of trolling/arguing. That happens already and won't change.

Soulshine · March 2015

Now that 1.6 is out and running, I am curious to know if people still think this is a good idea for the forums. Any thoughts?

Fizzlewizzle · March 2015

100% agree with class forums.
You should have a Forum for each of the different classes, and one for general class discussions.

Could clean up the forums quite a bit.
Normal friendly class talk, Suggestions, Requests and build discussions could be within each of the corresponding class topics, and the complaints could be in the general class discussion topics.

Morshire · March 2015

Soulshine wrote: »

Now that 1.6 is out and running, I am curious to know if people still think this is a good idea for the forums. Any thoughts?

Now more than ever. I am spending a assssss-ton of time trying to sift through all the threads to find something specific. For instance, I wanted to read about the new Temp "Jesus Beam" and see what people had to say. 2.5 hours to find something. That is just ridiculous to me. Some way to make finding that knowledge would be so helpful.

Still a +1 from me.....a thousand times over.

drzycki_ESO · March 2015

Agreed! I would love to read about my class without having to wade through posts that don't interest or apply to me at all.

Soulshine · March 2015

Well, unfortunately it seems that as far as ZoS is concerned, they are not looking at it is the same light:

We're open to making further changes if there's a distinct need, especially for very active forums. However, we are not planning on having separate class discussion forums. This was something that was considered for this overhaul, but given that most skill lines are available to all characters we felt it was important to have a single forum for character mechanics and skills.

I replied to this, and again another reply:

Soulshine wrote: »
I find the justification of "most skill lines are available to all characters," completely inappropriate considering that is obviously not the case. It should not be used as an excuse for having everyone mull through hundreds of threads in General Discussion or in Combat & Mechanics to find the information they are looking for.

Class forums were considered at length, and we weighed a number of factors when making the decision to keep class discussion to a single forum. We do appreciate the requests being made here (and the other thread) for separation, they're constructive and well-supported.

There may be other ways we can improve the ability to find class-specific threads, we'll investigate alternatives and see if anything can be implemented in the short-term.

So it seems for some reason the bent remains on keeping this information separate rather than allowing players the opportunity to connect as proposed.

Morshire · March 2015

Sad really. IF I was new to this game, I probably would abandon hope for finding stuff relevant to my build in these forums. And considering how much info is needed to make to the most out of a build, we are just going to either have people lose interest and get frustrated, or we are going to have 1000 more threads to comb through because of all the "How do I X"

Seriously ZOS, poor planning. And as much as people don't seem to care, this seems to me to be more important than 1/2 the stuff going on in these forums.

But what do I know, apparently I don't matter in what I think will help the game.

eventide03b14a_ESO · March 2015

There really should be class sections, this is the only MMO that doesn't seem to have it on their forums.

Soulshine · March 2015

Morshire wrote: »

Sad really. IF I was new to this game, I probably would abandon hope for finding stuff relevant to my build in these forums. And considering how much info is needed to make to the most out of a build, we are just going to either have people lose interest and get frustrated, or we are going to have 1000 more threads to comb through because of all the "How do I X"

Seriously ZOS, poor planning. And as much as people don't seem to care, this seems to me to be more important than 1/2 the stuff going on in these forums.

But what do I know, apparently I don't matter in what I think will help the game.

Well I think everyone's voice matters, whether we all agree on a topic or not. Still , ZoS will choose to decide if this matters to THEM. Apparently it doesn't really. Personally, even just from a mod standpoint, I find it would ease their job somewhat since part of what they do includes gleaning information from the forums to take back to the devs --- let alone that the devs themselves could more quickly and easily look at it themselves.

TehMagnus · March 2015

Agreed, I'm also unhappy about the loss of visibility of the PVE section which was delegated to "Adventure Zones & Group dungeons"....

Soulshine · March 2015

TehMagnus wrote: »

Agreed, I'm also unhappy about the loss of visibility of the PVE section which was delegated to "Adventure Zones & Group dungeons"....

Yes. I believe there was a quote someplace ( can't find it atm) about this as well, and it was similar in tone. I can understand that during beta or even as late as six months ago some of the reasoning for not doing this might have made some sense, but especially now, after so many changes to the game systems, class skills, build criteria and so on, it is absolutely nonsensical to refuse to allow players to collect posts under their respective class and force them to weed through section after section to find information --- especially given the extemely poor search features we have. Proposing to merely "improve the ability to find class specific thread" also does nothing whatseover to address one of the key reasons for allowing players to have them in the first place.