Would an loyalty option for dungeon grouping work

alainjbrennanb16_ESO · February 2015

We all know that grouping for dungeons, daily pledges and craglorn can be a pain, would an option to help people use the group finder work. Just to say they earn a point every time they use the group finder and that point goes towards, say in getting a total of a hundred points. Once the hundred points is reach they would get a mount, gear etc only obtained by use the group finder. If this was in the game would you use the group finder

Tankqull · February 2015

it not a problem of inacceptence - but a problem of functionality.

its like offering price discounts for your local transport by your town without having a local transport system...

in other words it is not used because of ignorance, it´s not used because it does not work at all.

starkerealm · February 2015

Tankqull wrote: »

it not a problem of inacceptence - but a problem of functionality.

its like offering price discounts for your local transport by your town without having a local transport system...

in other words it is not used because out of ignorance, it´s not used because it does not work at all.

Sorry, minor editor impulse ran wild for a second there...

RDMyers65b14_ESO · February 2015

The problem that I have seen the most with random people grouping is that if the delve is too difficult, then one of the players will just up and quit abandoning the others. I don't think that there is a way to prevent this from happening but it makes doing the quests in Craglorn even more difficult.

Digiman · February 2015

alainjbrennanb16_ESO wrote: »

We all know that grouping for dungeons, daily pledges and craglorn can be a pain, would an option to help people use the group finder work. Just to say they earn a point every time they use the group finder and that point goes towards, say in getting a total of a hundred points. Once the hundred points is reach they would get a mount, gear etc only obtained by use the group finder. If this was in the game would you use the group finder

Because people will only queue for the quickest dungeon if that was the case, or leave the group if they think the dungeon will take to long.

Eitherway this doesn't solve the problem the LFG has which is its functionality and limited options to form such groups.

If they want people to use it then they have to make it work and be more efficient while announcing changes for it. This constant requesting to use a broken system will just discourage them from using it further on. It hinders it.

LIQUID741 · February 2015

Or...how about a incentive such as a random reward/exp/money after completion only by using the grouping tool? Not that hard to figure out. People would use it if that was in the game. It's 2015, not sure why we are stuck in the days of EQ1 for finding a group.

alainjbrennanb16_ESO · February 2015

they use that type of system in wow and it works

Aortick · February 2015

Eso would just allow people to buy the points.

Soulshine · February 2015

LotrO's Instance Finder gives a bonus to XP and dmg which scales up as you scale the given instance. People still go in zone chat anyway for PuGs get a group together since it works faster than IF, but then party up using the IF. It is very effective that way.

Smaxx · February 2015

While this sounds nice on paper, I already know how it would end and why we won't see anything like that (other than a possible XP bonus as mentioned):

Let's assme you need 100 Points for a mount.
People open the finder, look for a group.
They join a group.
They leave the group instantly.
They start the finder again.
Once they've got their needed score they no longer touch it.

Overall it won't help, it might even make the experience using the group finder even worse, since people would find group after group, but most of them are disbanding.

starkerealm · February 2015

Smaxx wrote: »

While this sounds nice on paper, I already know how it would end and why we won't see anything like that (other than a possible XP bonus as mentioned):
Let's assme you need 100 Points for a mount.

People open the finder, look for a group.

They join a group.

They leave the group instantly.

They start the finder again.

Once they've got their needed score they no longer touch it.

Overall it won't help, it might even make the experience using the group finder even worse, since people would find group after group, but most of them are disbanding.

You missed a couple steps.

ZoS realizes people have been abusing the system.
ZoS reviews data and pulls the mounts from people that haven't been completing content in groups.
The players who lost their mounts take to the forums with pitchforks and torches.
ZoS nerfs Templars.

Soulshine · February 2015

starkerealm wrote: »

Smaxx wrote: »

While this sounds nice on paper, I already know how it would end and why we won't see anything like that (other than a possible XP bonus as mentioned):
Let's assme you need 100 Points for a mount.

People open the finder, look for a group.

They join a group.

They leave the group instantly.

They start the finder again.

Once they've got their needed score they no longer touch it.

Overall it won't help, it might even make the experience using the group finder even worse, since people would find group after group, but most of them are disbanding.

You missed a couple steps.
ZoS realizes people have been abusing the system.

ZoS reviews data and pulls the mounts from people that haven't been completing content in groups.

The players who lost their mounts take to the forums with pitchforks and torches.

ZoS nerfs Templars.

HAHAHA!!! + LOLs oh wait... we don't have those

Speaking as a Templar.... I thank you

alainjbrennanb16_ESO · February 2015

just to point out u would not get the point if you did not complete the dungeon etc if they left the group then no point, people cant abuse the undaunted keys, iam talking about a system similar but make you use the gf tool, and the program would be on going and a random generator just like the keys for mounts elite gear etc

kelly.medleyb14_ESO · February 2015

In the good old days you gathered outside a dungeon and called out for LFM and LFG. You kids are spoiled now a days.

That being said dungeons aren't worth doing, only things in there are BoP stuff that I have billions of and don't need anything else from dungeons.

You aren't going to find tons of ppl to join for dungeons when there's no motivation to repeat them.

If the helms were BoE and lower drop rate then I'd do more dungeons daily.

starkerealm · February 2015

kelly.medleyb14_ESO wrote: »

In the good old days you gathered outside a dungeon and called out for LFM and LFG. You kids are spoiled now a days.

That being said dungeons aren't worth doing, only things in there are BoP stuff that I have billions of and don't need anything else from dungeons.

You aren't going to find tons of ppl to join for dungeons when there's no motivation to repeat them.

If the helms were BoE and lower drop rate then I'd do more dungeons daily.

For non-crafters, Dungeons are a pretty good source of decent gear. It's people who make their own weapons and armor who can safely look at dungeons, shrug, and go on with their day.

kelly.medleyb14_ESO · February 2015

I find better gear solo.

starkerealm · February 2015

kelly.medleyb14_ESO wrote: »

I find better gear solo.

I make better gear. So what? It's a legitimate option for players. Unless you're saying dungeons don't drop gear, in which case, I'm afraid you're sadly mistaken.

Audigy · February 2015

alainjbrennanb16_ESO wrote: »

We all know that grouping for dungeons, daily pledges and craglorn can be a pain, would an option to help people use the group finder work. Just to say they earn a point every time they use the group finder and that point goes towards, say in getting a total of a hundred points. Once the hundred points is reach they would get a mount, gear etc only obtained by use the group finder. If this was in the game would you use the group finder

The reason why so many people skip dungeons in MMOs these days is the actual content itself and not the reward.

Lets face it, a dungeon doesn't change, its always the same mob with the same scripted environment. Even the hardest nerds will sooner or later stop finding this fun. Another aspect however is the hostility in dungeons these days. People are very rude and blame others for wipes, expect pro gamer attitude and only care about their loot and treat others very badly.

In my opinion are dungeons & premades outdated, even if you would reward a twelve headed monkey at the end, it wont change much.

Some players might join for the points, but never for the content or the "together". Blizzard made that mistake as well with rewarding various currencies for premade content. It killed all the fun, as people no longer came for fun, but for the lootz.

If we compare this to the earlier years in MMOs then you didn't had tools or premade groups, dungeons were dungeons and everyone could go in there, even with level 1.

The first stages were mostly soloable, but as you descended the mobs hit harder and after 10 or 20 tiers a huge dragon awaited you and those you met on the road. Then you had a chest to loot and people didn't act like Hyenas, no they actually talked about it and everyone got a piece of it.

It just was a kinder place back then, no restrictions, achievements or item levels. That whole "prove your worth so that I allow you in my group" has killed a lot in MMOs these days.

As for ESO, the public dungeons are the only I really do and I wish that ZO would work on those, rather than new AV´s for premades.