Where Are The Dragons?

snipeopsub17_ESO · February 2015

We have Dragon Knights, where are the dragons? From a lore perspective in the timeline the game is in they should exist, at least from what I gathered playing Skyrim.

Forestd16b14_ESO · February 2015

Sorry but ESO takes place a few hundrend years after the dragon war.

Gidorick · February 2015

They're asleep. Up in Skyrim. They won't awaken for hundreds of years.

Roechacca · February 2015

Ya where are the dragons ?!

Panda244 · February 2015

Asleep, or dead. The rest are in Akavir or wherever they go when their bodies are killed and their souls haven't been absorbed.

Maverick827 · February 2015

I'm sure at some point there will be dragons. The Elder Scrolls is full of time traveling/illusion/alternate dimension magic, so there's always an easy answer there.

Roechacca · February 2015

Well let's wake Em up ! What's that sword that does 3m dmg again ?

Cody · February 2015

If my ES history is correct, there are SOME dragons around at this time(excluding parthanoox or however that is spelled)

heck one of the akaviri warlords is supposed to be a dragon:/

Throren · February 2015

The timeframe for ESO is long after the dragon wars. The dragons native to akavir have all been more or less wiped out and the dragons of Skyrim as well are almost all dead minus a very rare few (Like Paarthurnax). We aren't quite sure how dragons react to certain climates so it is possible there may still be the odd one or two back on Atmora. Then there is Alduin himself but in this timeframe he is mid-timetravel/limbo on his way to the 4th era.

The only way any number of dragons can come back to life would be by Alduin popping up and rezzing them. Which doesn't happen to the 4th era. So to end - don't expect to see any dragons.

timidobserver · February 2015

I expect to eventually see a Dragon boss in one of the eventual trials, raids, or other endgame content. I doubt dragons will ever become common place though. It will just be one dragon that they some how explain into existence.

Panda244 · February 2015

Throren wrote: »

The dragons native to Akavir have all been more or less wiped out.

Wrong!

Dragons cannot "die" until their soul is absorbed, so the ones' in Akavir may very well be "dead" as far as their bodies are concerned, but they'll just keep coming back for more....

Tonnopesce · February 2015

So..... where are my firebreathing dragon mount?
o wait i've gived zos a bad idea...................

Digiman · February 2015

snipeopsub17_ESO wrote: »

We have Dragon Knights, where are the dragons? From a lore perspective in the timeline the game is in they should exist, at least from what I gathered playing Skyrim.

Dragon knights aren't Dragonborn. They learned those techniques from the Akaviri who became the blades for the Reman Dynasty the only Dragonborn to exist and the only one capable to truly stop them. The shouts are basic Thu'ums anyone can learn from the grey beards.

As for the dragons most are either dead or hiding. Only Alduin can bring them back and he was sent thousands of years in the future from the Dawn Era.

And yes dragons are essentially dead, otherwise a Dragonborn could still absorb their soul from their graves.

Cody · February 2015

timidobserver wrote: »

I expect to eventually see a Dragon boss in one of the eventual trials, raids, or other endgame content. I doubt dragons will ever become common place though. It will just be one dragon that they some how explain into existence.

that would be interesting.

Panda244 · February 2015

Cody wrote: »

timidobserver wrote: »

I expect to eventually see a Dragon boss in one of the eventual trials, raids, or other endgame content. I doubt dragons will ever become common place though. It will just be one dragon that they some how explain into existence.

that would be interesting.

I'm cool with it being one Dragon that they explain into existence, but it'd best be the hardest boss fight in the entire game, and a 24-Man raid, because Dragons can flick off Daedric Princes and get away with it. Not to mention it could literally one shot the entire group with the following shouts.

Marked For Death
Soul Tear
Devour Soul
Meteor Storm

starkerealm · February 2015

snipeopsub17_ESO wrote: »

We have Dragon Knights, where are the dragons? From a lore perspective in the timeline the game is in they should exist, at least from what I gathered playing Skyrim.

There's one derping around The Reach (which isn't in game), there should be one somewhere in High Rock near Daggerfall. So, also not in game. There's a couple others floating around. But, none in game. Since Dragons are playing it safe and being cagy in the Second Era.

WraithAzraiel · February 2015

They're locked up with the cloaks and capes and the barber shop.

starkerealm · February 2015

WraithAzraiel wrote: »

They're locked up with the cloaks and capes and the barber shop.

Damn, that'll make going for a trim slightly interesting.

Iago · February 2015

Parthunax should be at the summit of the large mountain by Ivarstead

Iago · February 2015

Parthunax should be at the summit of the large mountain by Ivarstead

Iago · February 2015

Parthunax should be at the summit of the large mountain by Ivarstead

starkerealm · February 2015

Iago wrote: »

Parthunax should be at the summit of the large mountain by Ivarstead

He probably is, there's just snow and trolls keeping you away from him.

killedbyping · February 2015

Shut up and let me kill dragons !

P.S. All the dragons are in Cyrodiil.

JD2013 · February 2015

They's dead, son. Or hidden.

Same with the Dwemer.

No, Dragon mounts would not be a thing.

dodgehopper_ESO · February 2015

Cody wrote: »

If my ES history is correct, there are SOME dragons around at this time(excluding parthanoox or however that is spelled)

heck one of the akaviri warlords is supposed to be a dragon:/

I think that's Tosh Raka, of the Ka'po'tun. I got the sense that him being both Dragon and Cat-Person, meant that he was a dragonborn Khajiit. Although ESO makes me wonder if he wasn't just a dragon knight Khajiit.

There are a few dragons about but the ones that are would either be in hiding or hidden away somewhere. Like the one down in the Dwemer Nation underneath Skyrim, the Eel-ish one on Solstheim, Paarthurnax at the Throat of the World/High Hrothgar, or Durnehvir in the Soul Cairn. I'm not convinced they would want our characters fighting dragons though, as I have suspicions that our characters are in fact Dragonborn at the least by the end of the story (involving what goes on with the Red Diamond).

starkerealm · February 2015

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

Cody wrote: »

If my ES history is correct, there are SOME dragons around at this time(excluding parthanoox or however that is spelled)

heck one of the akaviri warlords is supposed to be a dragon:/

I think that's Tosh Raka, of the Ka'po'tun. I got the sense that him being both Dragon and Cat-Person, meant that he was a dragonborn Khajiit. Although ESO makes me wonder if he wasn't just a dragon knight Khajiit.

There are a few dragons about but the ones that are would either be in hiding or hidden away somewhere. Like the one down in the Dwemer Nation underneath Skyrim, the Eel-ish one on Solstheim, Paarthurnax at the Throat of the World/High Hrothgar, or Durnehvir in the Soul Cairn. I'm not convinced they would want our characters fighting dragons though, as I have suspicions that our characters are in fact Dragonborn at the least by the end of the story (involving what goes on with the Red Diamond).

Minor detail, the Ka'po'tun aren't actually Khajiit. They're a different species of cat men, and don't have the Khajiiti moon obsession (as far as I can remember.)

From what I remember, Tosh Raka has undergone some kind of draconic apotheosis, so he started out as a cat, and transformed himself into a dragon somehow.

But, this is one of those chunks of the lore that's spotty, so I could be wrong.

Panda244 · February 2015

starkerealm wrote: »

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

Cody wrote: »

If my ES history is correct, there are SOME dragons around at this time(excluding parthanoox or however that is spelled)

heck one of the akaviri warlords is supposed to be a dragon:/

I think that's Tosh Raka, of the Ka'po'tun. I got the sense that him being both Dragon and Cat-Person, meant that he was a dragonborn Khajiit. Although ESO makes me wonder if he wasn't just a dragon knight Khajiit.

There are a few dragons about but the ones that are would either be in hiding or hidden away somewhere. Like the one down in the Dwemer Nation underneath Skyrim, the Eel-ish one on Solstheim, Paarthurnax at the Throat of the World/High Hrothgar, or Durnehvir in the Soul Cairn. I'm not convinced they would want our characters fighting dragons though, as I have suspicions that our characters are in fact Dragonborn at the least by the end of the story (involving what goes on with the Red Diamond).

Minor detail, the Ka'po'tun aren't actually Khajiit. They're a different species of cat men, and don't have the Khajiiti moon obsession (as far as I can remember.)

From what I remember, Tosh Raka has undergone some kind of draconic apotheosis, so he started out as a cat, and transformed himself into a dragon somehow.

But, this is one of those chunks of the lore that's spotty, so I could be wrong.

It's not spotty, it's lore, just not lore that we've seen, I really want Akavir to be a thing one of these days... Kill me some T'saeci, make love to some crazy cat dragon people... And enslave the monkey people... Yes yes.. Many things to do.

starkerealm · February 2015

Panda244 wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

Cody wrote: »

If my ES history is correct, there are SOME dragons around at this time(excluding parthanoox or however that is spelled)

heck one of the akaviri warlords is supposed to be a dragon:/

I think that's Tosh Raka, of the Ka'po'tun. I got the sense that him being both Dragon and Cat-Person, meant that he was a dragonborn Khajiit. Although ESO makes me wonder if he wasn't just a dragon knight Khajiit.

There are a few dragons about but the ones that are would either be in hiding or hidden away somewhere. Like the one down in the Dwemer Nation underneath Skyrim, the Eel-ish one on Solstheim, Paarthurnax at the Throat of the World/High Hrothgar, or Durnehvir in the Soul Cairn. I'm not convinced they would want our characters fighting dragons though, as I have suspicions that our characters are in fact Dragonborn at the least by the end of the story (involving what goes on with the Red Diamond).

Minor detail, the Ka'po'tun aren't actually Khajiit. They're a different species of cat men, and don't have the Khajiiti moon obsession (as far as I can remember.)

From what I remember, Tosh Raka has undergone some kind of draconic apotheosis, so he started out as a cat, and transformed himself into a dragon somehow.

But, this is one of those chunks of the lore that's spotty, so I could be wrong.

It's not spotty, it's lore, just not lore that we've seen, I really want Akavir to be a thing one of these days... Kill me some T'saeci, make love to some crazy cat dragon people... And enslave the monkey people... Yes yes.. Many things to do.

I still have the suspicion that Harvesters are T'saeci. It would make sense with how Molag Bal groups them with vampires, and their powers certainly fall under the Vampric header, mechanically.

Panda244 · February 2015

starkerealm wrote: »

Panda244 wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

Cody wrote: »

If my ES history is correct, there are SOME dragons around at this time(excluding parthanoox or however that is spelled)

heck one of the akaviri warlords is supposed to be a dragon:/

I think that's Tosh Raka, of the Ka'po'tun. I got the sense that him being both Dragon and Cat-Person, meant that he was a dragonborn Khajiit. Although ESO makes me wonder if he wasn't just a dragon knight Khajiit.

There are a few dragons about but the ones that are would either be in hiding or hidden away somewhere. Like the one down in the Dwemer Nation underneath Skyrim, the Eel-ish one on Solstheim, Paarthurnax at the Throat of the World/High Hrothgar, or Durnehvir in the Soul Cairn. I'm not convinced they would want our characters fighting dragons though, as I have suspicions that our characters are in fact Dragonborn at the least by the end of the story (involving what goes on with the Red Diamond).

Minor detail, the Ka'po'tun aren't actually Khajiit. They're a different species of cat men, and don't have the Khajiiti moon obsession (as far as I can remember.)

From what I remember, Tosh Raka has undergone some kind of draconic apotheosis, so he started out as a cat, and transformed himself into a dragon somehow.

But, this is one of those chunks of the lore that's spotty, so I could be wrong.

It's not spotty, it's lore, just not lore that we've seen, I really want Akavir to be a thing one of these days... Kill me some T'saeci, make love to some crazy cat dragon people... And enslave the monkey people... Yes yes.. Many things to do.

I still have the suspicion that Harvesters are T'saeci. It would make sense with how Molag Bal groups them with vampires, and their powers certainly fall under the Vampric header, mechanically.

Probably not T'saeci, but definitely taken aspects of them... Then again who knows. They do eat your soul. @ZOS_GinaBruno We've figured out the secret! Now release the Akavir DLC! RELEASE IT!!!

Edit: They also did invade Tamriel so it's not impossible that some made a deal with various daedric princes, but they're also technically all female from the looks of it so meh, and the Pact did get invaded by Akavir ten years ago.. So it is possible. But highly highly unlikely.

Carnagan · February 2015

"Dragons? Oh, they're everywhere! You must fly very high to see most of them, though. The ones nearer the ground are very hard to see, being invisible."
-M'aiq the Liar (Morrowind)

"I have seen dragons. Perhaps you will see a dragon. I won't say where I saw one. Perhaps I did not."
-M'aiq the Liar (Oblivion)

As others have said, there are dragons but they are either dead or in hiding. Some, like Parthunax, Nafaalilargus or Skakmat are keeping out of sight, while others that show up get attacked by the Blades.

You might want to check out the Atlas of Dragons, which is about 207 years old at the time of the game.

I have no doubt that dragons will show up eventually, but they're going to wait for the right moment. Any dragons about in the middle of the second era should be old and canny creatures that have stayed hidden for centuries, and should also be extremely dangerous combatants. Let's have them as the last boss of a full zone dedicated to it being there, rather than a boss of a dungeon or world boss.

starkerealm · February 2015

Carnagan wrote: »

"Dragons? Oh, they're everywhere! You must fly very high to see most of them, though. The ones nearer the ground are very hard to see, being invisible."
-M'aiq the Liar (Morrowind)

"I have seen dragons. Perhaps you will see a dragon. I won't say where I saw one. Perhaps I did not."
-M'aiq the Liar (Oblivion)

As others have said, there are dragons but they are either dead or in hiding. Some, like Parthunax, Nafaalilargus or Skakmat are keeping out of sight, while others that show up get attacked by the Blades.

You might want to check out the Atlas of Dragons, which is about 207 years old at the time of the game.

I have no doubt that dragons will show up eventually, but they're going to wait for the right moment. Any dragons about in the middle of the second era should be old and canny creatures that have stayed hidden for centuries, and should also be extremely dangerous combatants. Let's have them as the last boss of a full zone dedicated to it being there, rather than a boss of a dungeon or world boss.

To be fair, M'aiq is explcitly there to troll the player in Morrowind. Once you get into Oblivion he starts transitioning into his modern role snarking at the forums and making stray in jokes.