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So what's the chance PVP will ever not be dominated by vampires?

  • Panda244
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    Now with the change to Ultimate generation but continue ignorance of the ridiculous amounts of Reduction a Sorc or DK is capable of, I predict we will see an unnoticeable drop in the amount of vampires dominating in Cyrodiil

    I'm sorry what? The part I made bolder and italicized.

    Sorcerers can get up to 55% Scales of the Dragon + Dominion's Potentate + Passives
    Templars can get up to 34% Scales of the Dragon + Dominion's Potentate + Passives


    Dragonknights and Nightblades can get 30% IF they're former emperors, otherwise it's 25%, so please, fix that. Or I'll have to assume you're just another, Nerf DKs! person and therefor incapable of any logical response when it comes to real problems that involve DKs.

    As for putting a hard-cap on the amount of reduction you can get, that's a very reasonable statement, and 25% should be the cap, as that's currently what Nightblades and Dragonknights that aren't Emperors can get. You think Vampire DK's are bad. Lets put this into perspective.

    Sorcerer Emperor, Dominion Potentate, Scales of the Dragon. 55% Reduction to Ultimate Costs.
    Batswarm costs 86.9 Ultimate, therefor they can charge it in about 35-40 seconds with the new system, on live, they could charge it in probably two uses of Impulse.


    Edited by Panda244 on February 20, 2015 7:07AM
    Aldmeri Dominion For Life!
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    N'tel Arlena - NB - V14 - Retired Sap Tank of Haderus NA, Harasser of Many (Also, not a vampire. Goes by nickname Nutella.)

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  • Wast1980
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    Speaking of the real problem..

    The problem is how some mechanics work, not just vampire.

    Stacking multiple abilities to gain health, shield stacking, block casting, perma blocking is which makes some builds/groups op.
    Which makes zerg balls nearly unkillable (and such noobs calling themselves elite, lol).

    I'm fed up with 1vs1 fights which take minutes because my opponent doesn't do any damage... so I fall asleep because I'm bored.

    One shield buff, one health gaining buff at a time would solve many problems in pvp, not removing/setting aoe caps or other bs.

    Classes are pretty balanced, it's just some mechanics which give the possibility to exploit...

    And yeah, my English sucks.
  • Panda244
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    Wast1980 wrote: »
    Speaking of the real problem..

    The problem is how some mechanics work, not just vampire.

    Stacking multiple abilities to gain health, shield stacking, block casting, perma blocking is which makes some builds/groups op.
    Which makes zerg balls nearly unkillable (and such noobs calling themselves elite, lol).

    I'm fed up with 1vs1 fights which take minutes because my opponent doesn't do any damage... so I fall asleep because I'm bored.

    One shield buff, one health gaining buff at a time would solve many problems in pvp, not removing/setting aoe caps or other bs.

    Classes are pretty balanced, it's just some mechanics which give the possibility to exploit...

    And yeah, my English sucks.

    Your English sucks? What.....? It's perfect? :confused:
    Anyways, I agree, the problem isn't necessarily healing and shield stacking, because this is easily bypassed with disease, I'd say it's more, the fact that Zergs, are so bunched up, so all the heals overlap.
    Aldmeri Dominion For Life!
    Crassus Licinius II - DK - V14 - Former Emperor of Blackwater Blade NA (The Dragonknight that refuses to go Vampire.)
    N'tel Arlena - NB - V14 - Retired Sap Tank of Haderus NA, Harasser of Many (Also, not a vampire. Goes by nickname Nutella.)

    #FreeZazeer
    #FreeGooey
    #FreeAsgari
    #FreeAoE
    #FreeSubtomik
    #FreeMBF

    Officially Resigned From Cyrodiil As Of 4/15/15 10:24 PM EST.
  • Messy1
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    Bushrat wrote: »
    I am a NB and avoided being a vamp for a very long time in spite of a lot of my team-mates going vamp. I preferred to become a vamp slayer instead. BUT.. then I decided to try it as the synergies of Vamp, NB and ganker are too strong to ignore. I am a vamp now and I hate the way my char looks but I love the extra power I get. However....vamps can get killed so easily with the right tools. I still 'specialize' in killing vamps are they so prevalent in PvP and I am set up to kill them quickly. They are actually not OP if you know how to take them down.

    There's an idea. Implement a Stendarr Skill line much like Undaunted, Fighters guild, or Mage's Guild Skill line.
    People need the option to invest in another skill line that will give them abilities that are equal to vamp abilities so that the option to be a vamp or something else is more stylistic and not "necessary" for PvP
    Maybe the skill line could be called "Consecrated Vigilant of Stendarr."
  • Panda244
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    Messy1 wrote: »
    Bushrat wrote: »
    I am a NB and avoided being a vamp for a very long time in spite of a lot of my team-mates going vamp. I preferred to become a vamp slayer instead. BUT.. then I decided to try it as the synergies of Vamp, NB and ganker are too strong to ignore. I am a vamp now and I hate the way my char looks but I love the extra power I get. However....vamps can get killed so easily with the right tools. I still 'specialize' in killing vamps are they so prevalent in PvP and I am set up to kill them quickly. They are actually not OP if you know how to take them down.

    There's an idea. Implement a Stendarr Skill line much like Undaunted, Fighters guild, or Mage's Guild Skill line.
    People need the option to invest in another skill line that will give them abilities that are equal to vamp abilities so that the option to be a vamp or something else is more stylistic and not "necessary" for PvP
    Maybe the skill line could be called "Consecrated Vigilant of Stendarr."

    That's a great idea, and an insanely long name for a skill line haha.
    Aldmeri Dominion For Life!
    Crassus Licinius II - DK - V14 - Former Emperor of Blackwater Blade NA (The Dragonknight that refuses to go Vampire.)
    N'tel Arlena - NB - V14 - Retired Sap Tank of Haderus NA, Harasser of Many (Also, not a vampire. Goes by nickname Nutella.)

    #FreeZazeer
    #FreeGooey
    #FreeAsgari
    #FreeAoE
    #FreeSubtomik
    #FreeMBF

    Officially Resigned From Cyrodiil As Of 4/15/15 10:24 PM EST.
  • Lord_Bidr
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    Panda244 wrote: »
    Now with the change to Ultimate generation but continue ignorance of the ridiculous amounts of Reduction a Sorc or DK is capable of, I predict we will see an unnoticeable drop in the amount of vampires dominating in Cyrodiil

    I'm sorry what? The part I made bolder and italicized.

    Sorcerers can get up to 55% Scales of the Dragon + Dominion's Potentate + Passives
    Templars can get up to 34% Scales of the Dragon + Dominion's Potentate + Passives


    Dragonknights and Nightblades can get 30% IF they're former emperors, otherwise it's 25%, so please, fix that. Or I'll have to assume you're just another, Nerf DKs! person and therefor incapable of any logical response when it comes to real problems that involve DKs.

    As for putting a hard-cap on the amount of reduction you can get, that's a very reasonable statement, and 25% should be the cap, as that's currently what Nightblades and Dragonknights that aren't Emperors can get. You think Vampire DK's are bad. Lets put this into perspective.

    Sorcerer Emperor, Dominion Potentate, Scales of the Dragon. 55% Reduction to Ultimate Costs.
    Batswarm costs 86.9 Ultimate, therefor they can charge it in about 35-40 seconds with the new system, on live, they could charge it in probably two uses of Impulse.


    You can't stack the Scales of the Dragon (now renamed to Akaviri Dragonguard) with the Potentate set anymore. Both sets now have sword, shield and neck as part of their set. So now it's either one, or the other, not both.

    Links:
    http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Akaviri+Dragonguard+Set
    http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Blessing+of+the+Potentates+Set
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  • Soulac
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    Panda244 wrote: »
    Now with the change to Ultimate generation but continue ignorance of the ridiculous amounts of Reduction a Sorc or DK is capable of, I predict we will see an unnoticeable drop in the amount of vampires dominating in Cyrodiil

    I'm sorry what? The part I made bolder and italicized.

    Sorcerers can get up to 55% Scales of the Dragon + Dominion's Potentate + Passives
    Templars can get up to 34% Scales of the Dragon + Dominion's Potentate + Passives


    Dragonknights and Nightblades can get 30% IF they're former emperors, otherwise it's 25%, so please, fix that. Or I'll have to assume you're just another, Nerf DKs! person and therefor incapable of any logical response when it comes to real problems that involve DKs.

    As for putting a hard-cap on the amount of reduction you can get, that's a very reasonable statement, and 25% should be the cap, as that's currently what Nightblades and Dragonknights that aren't Emperors can get. You think Vampire DK's are bad. Lets put this into perspective.

    Sorcerer Emperor, Dominion Potentate, Scales of the Dragon. 55% Reduction to Ultimate Costs.
    Batswarm costs 86.9 Ultimate, therefor they can charge it in about 35-40 seconds with the new system, on live, they could charge it in probably two uses of Impulse.


    You can't stack the Scales of the Dragon (now renamed to Akaviri Dragonguard) with the Potentate set anymore. Both sets now have sword, shield and neck as part of their set. So now it's either one, or the other, not both.

    Links:
    http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Akaviri+Dragonguard+Set
    http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Blessing+of+the+Potentates+Set

    You can stack them, dragon set is like Warlock available for every armor pieces.


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  • Tankqull
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    Cody wrote: »
    the only thing that could be considered OP is batswarm, at least in my opinion. I have a vampire character, if I get hit by a fire attack, my health drops FAST. keep guards using fire abilities can come VERY close, to one shotting me. I cant even get on a keep/resource flag to help fight, due to the fire attacks. and I am a Templar that can spam the best heals in the game! and if I face a player that is a fire mage...... its not going to go well.

    now, you could wear fire resistant jewelry, or pick a dunmer, or both. but not every single player does that, a vampire is not hard to kill if you know what you are doing. lets improve WWs first then talk abut nerfing vampires:)

    mist form is "overpowered" too.
    if you havent tab-targeted them vamps are nearly dmg imune in that phase as the target window to hit them is nearly none existant. on top of that the dmg reduction is some how nearly 100%. when my fragments crit them for 9 dmg i do feel somehow cheated ;)

    another problem is the amount of DKs in pvp as they completly negate silver bolts by reflective scales and all other warrior guild skills vs vamps are compleatly negated by block wich is used by any one in PvP wich makes vamps so extreamly powerfull as no downside comes into play as they are all negated by 80% of the pvp population in terms of silver bolts reflected with 35% additional dmg - ever be hit by your own silvershard for 2k dmg? ;)
    spelling and grammar errors are free to be abused

    Sallington wrote: »
    Anything useful that players are wanting added into the game all fall under the category of "Yer ruinin my 'mersion!"


  • Turelus
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    Well to be fair... everyone not a Vampire with any knowledge of mechanics will be Werewolf now any way.

    So the question we should all be asking, when will PVP not be dominated by Vampires and Werewolves (even if they stay in mortal form). :tongue:
    @Turelus - EU PC Megaserver
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  • sKorcheD
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    As a vamp templar(which is pretty dumb honestly to be a templar and vamp). I am only a vampire because the our ultimates suck. Tickleball(nova) just don't cut it.
    Larrdok - Pact
    Filthy Barbarian
  • JDar
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  • Oughash
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    Soulac wrote: »
    Panda244 wrote: »
    Now with the change to Ultimate generation but continue ignorance of the ridiculous amounts of Reduction a Sorc or DK is capable of, I predict we will see an unnoticeable drop in the amount of vampires dominating in Cyrodiil

    I'm sorry what? The part I made bolder and italicized.

    Sorcerers can get up to 55% Scales of the Dragon + Dominion's Potentate + Passives
    Templars can get up to 34% Scales of the Dragon + Dominion's Potentate + Passives


    Dragonknights and Nightblades can get 30% IF they're former emperors, otherwise it's 25%, so please, fix that. Or I'll have to assume you're just another, Nerf DKs! person and therefor incapable of any logical response when it comes to real problems that involve DKs.

    As for putting a hard-cap on the amount of reduction you can get, that's a very reasonable statement, and 25% should be the cap, as that's currently what Nightblades and Dragonknights that aren't Emperors can get. You think Vampire DK's are bad. Lets put this into perspective.

    Sorcerer Emperor, Dominion Potentate, Scales of the Dragon. 55% Reduction to Ultimate Costs.
    Batswarm costs 86.9 Ultimate, therefor they can charge it in about 35-40 seconds with the new system, on live, they could charge it in probably two uses of Impulse.


    You can't stack the Scales of the Dragon (now renamed to Akaviri Dragonguard) with the Potentate set anymore. Both sets now have sword, shield and neck as part of their set. So now it's either one, or the other, not both.

    Links:
    http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Akaviri+Dragonguard+Set
    http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Blessing+of+the+Potentates+Set

    You can stack them, dragon set is like Warlock available for every armor pieces.


    No available for rings... =(
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