Things I miss from prior Elder Scrolls games

Gidorick · February 2015

I think the thing I miss most is underwater environments and exploration. Every time I come upon a large body of water in ESO I breathe a light sigh.

Iluvrien · February 2015

Gidorick wrote: »

I think the thing I miss most is underwater environments and exploration. Every time I come upon a large body of water in ESO I breathe a light sigh.

I would agree with this too.

However when I think of seeing Dawn or Dusk near Azura's Shrine*, or walking in the air high above the foyada mamaea or even standing in wonder gazing at the Ghostgate I have to say.... this first. this first.

* (Which, if memory serves, may well have been constructed by this time)

Aidantwab16_ESO · February 2015

Deadric Artifacts would be awesome and I know just the way they could do them, I remember reading in a lore book (I think in Oblivion) that the artifacts would dematerialize sometimes and be presented to new owners (let me know if I have my details wrong)

It would be awesome for them to put in a bunch of different artifacts, that could only belong to one player at a time. The weapon-type artifacts could be legendary quality and level with players, but the catch being that after a short amount of time, they would disappear and present themselves to new players, possibly through loot chests or other(new?) world activities. Players obviously could get a rare color if they were so lucky to obtain such an item as a permanent memento, and it wouldn't matter if they were made more powerful than regular items(within reason) because a person would only have them for a couple days before they disappeared.

Lorewise, it could be explained that during the planemeld, there is so much deadric interest and influence on Nirn with so many of the princes showing such strong interest, that the artifacts cannot properly hold their form in any permanent fashion.

Silverdrake · February 2015

Blud wrote: »

But you should check out Skywind. https://tesrenewal.com/skywind-faq

"cannot wear clothing and armor at the same time" -- *figuratively tosses the mod in the trash can* Might as well just play Skyrim. Armor was not worn over bare skin, nor was it worn exposed to the weather. Bad enough that all the games have swords that weigh 40+ pounds.

newtinmpls wrote: »

Next best was my totally ridiculous collection of "summon X for X-ty seconds" items that I crafted (or found). When I got into a tough dungeon (usually a tomb. Damn, I miss tombs too) I would just summon about 7-8 ghosts and so on and hang back and they would do most of the fighting.

Custom spells that would do the same and the alchemy quirks to create potions that would allow you to cast them (which at least returned in Skyrim).

A-#1 -- Levitation! That Anti-Levitation Act bs was just stupid. Necromancy was outlawed in many areas, yet necromancers still lived in those areas and taught new necromancers. Really, does anyone believe that, for instance, the Thieves Guild wouldn't continue teaching its members how to levitate?

knaveofengland · February 2015

yes many more can be added that you missed , but every time a new game comes out they like to do a pick and mix that's what we have now .

they have changed a few things now so some pick and mix did not work but will they add a few more flavours and colourings is the question

DaniAngione · February 2015

Gidorick wrote: »

@DaniAngione‌
Please make a separate thread for your weapon sheaths/scabbards idea with the "alternate" spots for weapons so we can see them BOTH on the character. I REALLY like this idea, it should get some visibility!

Thank you for your kind words, sir. Have a sweetroll

I'll draw some stuff for it to draw a bit more of attention and will post, then

Kragorn · February 2015

Iago wrote: »

1.) Dark nights, Morrowind Dark nights

2.) I miss the almost constantly creepy atmosphere that Morrowind had

3.) The spells of Mark and Recall

4.) Hircines Ring as it existed in TES III Morrowind

5.) The scrolls of Icarian flight (I know full well these will never be implemented in game as they would break a lot of the mechanics)

6.) Daedric relics in General like the Lords Mail and Stendarr's Hammer

7.) Black soul gems should still be needed to harvest human souls, and if they don't want to make black soul gems then at least offer an in game explanation as to why the Black Soul Gems are not needed to trap human souls in the second Era but they are needed from the Third Era on.

8.) Torches that could be carried and would eventually burn out.

9.) The spell of light that you could cast on yourself

10.) Racial's special abilities like chameleon, night eye, ancestral guardian, water breathing etc.

1) Dark nights are a pain in this game as it is, in Morrowind it was worse and I seriously doubt many players played in that time out of choice .. most players I expect simply RESTed until daybreak, I know I did.

2) There's some creepiness in ESO but not much I agree.

3) Mark/Recall trivialised an amount, certainly when it came to dungeon crawling, in the context of an MMO I can see many problems especially when grouping.

4) Hircine's Ring IMO was very OP and I don't think belongs in an MMO because of that.

5) You already know the problem I see.

6) Unique items can't work in an MMO without totally breaking the point .. there's only one of each relic in existence how can that possibly exist in an MMO?

7) What purpose would there be in these? Given in ESO soul gems are solely (no pun intended!) used for resurrection after death the level then is there any special case where Black Gems would make sense?

8) No thanks, it may be 'realistic' it's all something I find hugely annoying in games which feature such mechanics, and not something you could easily make optional: LOTRO tries to do so by implementing a 'personal light' that only affects your own client's rendering of the world but my experience is that often lead to problems in groups .. and to be blunt, why do you want a mechanic that's a PITA with no real benefits beyond realism for realism's sake?

9) Not sure how that differs from torches.

10) IMO the racials in Morrowind were almost entirely pointless, a spell you could cast once a day that was pretty feeble compared to those you could make in the spellmaker with only a small amout of skill. Water breathing was useful I agree but since we can't dive in water in this game (and I see no reason to think we ever will) then that specific one would be pertinent: and the Argonian's swim speed in ESO is almost entirely pointless given how little we have to swim in this game.

starkerealm · February 2015

Iago wrote: »

7.) Black soul gems should still be needed to harvest human souls, and if they don't want to make black soul gems then at least offer an in game explanation as to why the Black Soul Gems are not needed to trap human souls in the second Era but they are needed from the Third Era on.

Kragorn wrote: »

7) What purpose would there be in these? Given in ESO soul gems are solely (no pun intended!) used for resurrection after death the level then is there any special case where Black Gems would make sense?

I'm feeling lazy, rather than reiterate it, I'll just quote my earlier post.

starkerealm wrote: »

This one is actually explained in game. You need to find one of the lore books from Galerion. It's the "Guild Memo on Soul Trapping." You can find a copy here: http://www.esohead.com/books/240-guild-memo-on-soul-trapping

The basic takeaway is that the whole Black Soul Gem system is a bit of a cheat because the soul trapping spells the Mages Guild teaches are deliberately flawed. The soul trapping spell the players get is (apparently) a byproduct of their connection to Cold Harbour, meaning it has no such limitation.

Bleakraven · February 2015

I wish we had each of the spell schools as skill trees, so if I had destruction i could start with a very little fireball, then aoe, then flamethrower.... *sigh*
I like that the class skills are custom spells from a bit from every school, but I still want the basic 1-school only spells to be available.
And with spellcrafting, we could just combine those skills...

starkerealm · February 2015

Bleakraven wrote: »

I wish we had each of the spell schools as skill trees, so if I had destruction i could start with a very little fireball, then aoe, then flamethrower.... *sigh*
I like that the class skills are custom spells from a bit from every school, but I still want the basic 1-school only spells to be available.
And with spellcrafting, we could just combine those skills...

That seems to be what 1.7 is promising. Destruction, Alteration, Restoration, Illusion, Conjuration... no clue on if we'll see Mysticism or any others, though.

SantieClaws · February 2015

Housing and pickable farm crops.

starkerealm · February 2015

wenxue2222b16_ESO wrote: »

Housing and pickable farm crops.

Great, at the risk of sounding like a newbie, you're making me miss Hearthfire... also Vampire Lord, because, well, shank, it's the vampire lord.

phreatophile · February 2015

In no particular order.
-underwater
-dark nights
-equal length day an night
-social consequences for vampires
-daylight penalties for vampires
-vampiric drain (not the single use skill we have)
-vampiric seduction
-necromancy
-detect life
-night eye
-chameleon
-Bravil
-complex enchanting
-thieves guild
-dark brotherhood
-glass armor
-daedric quests
-katana and dai-katana
-ability to sit or lay down
-silt striders
-acrobatics
-slow fall
-unarmed
-feather
-lots I missed.

Knootewoot · February 2015

The loads of options you had when talking to somoene in Morrowind instead of just "how are you", "rumours", "exit".

With morrowind you had so much reading material based on what that character knew. Blue highlighted text (also available in a right context menu) made more read material available.

also, water walking, water breathing, hoptoad ring, more attributes (strenght, wisdom, intelligence, endurance, speed, personality, luck etc.) spears, vampires with fangs, crossbowsm, area of effect arrows, clothes wearable under armor, nudity (with better bodies mod), underwater, good story, cliffracers, more better lore, unique caves all different but still pointless but great to explore, housing (i killed someone for it but lived in his house), if you played bit not do main quest the world became more dark and eerie in contrast to Oblivion and Skyrim.

And i could go on and on.

Digiman · February 2015

Iago wrote: »

1.) Dark nights, Morrowind Dark nights

2.) I miss the almost constantly creepy atmosphere that Morrowind had

3.) The spells of Mark and Recall

4.) Hircines Ring as it existed in TES III Morrowind

5.) The scrolls of Icarian flight (I know full well these will never be implemented in game as they would break a lot of the mechanics)

6.) Daedric relics in General like the Lords Mail and Stendarr's Hammer

8.) Torches that could be carried and would eventually burn out.

9.) The spell of light that you could cast on yourself

10.) Racial's special abilities like chameleon, night eye, ancestral guardian, water breathing etc.

Might as well call the title of this thread things I miss from ES3, not past games.

Iago wrote: »

7.) Black soul gems should still be needed to harvest human souls, and if they don't want to make black soul gems then at least offer an in game explanation as to why the Black Soul Gems are not needed to trap human souls in the second Era but they are needed from the Third Era on.

It was explained that your soul powers, you received when you lost your soul and escaped from cold harbor let harvest the soul energy you can siphon from any living target. It's why you start off with a variant of soul trap that you can further modify.

The victims soul goes through you and then you pour it into that power into the soul gem. If the were using a base soul trap spell then the soul goes directly into the soul gem from the victim. So its an unfiltered pure soul.

starkerealm · February 2015

Digiman wrote: »

Iago wrote: »

1.) Dark nights, Morrowind Dark nights

2.) I miss the almost constantly creepy atmosphere that Morrowind had

3.) The spells of Mark and Recall

4.) Hircines Ring as it existed in TES III Morrowind

5.) The scrolls of Icarian flight (I know full well these will never be implemented in game as they would break a lot of the mechanics)

6.) Daedric relics in General like the Lords Mail and Stendarr's Hammer

8.) Torches that could be carried and would eventually burn out.

9.) The spell of light that you could cast on yourself

10.) Racial's special abilities like chameleon, night eye, ancestral guardian, water breathing etc.

Might as well call the title of this thread things I miss from ES3, not past games.

Iago wrote: »

7.) Black soul gems should still be needed to harvest human souls, and if they don't want to make black soul gems then at least offer an in game explanation as to why the Black Soul Gems are not needed to trap human souls in the second Era but they are needed from the Third Era on.

It was explained that your soul powers, you received when you lost your soul and escaped from cold harbor let harvest the soul energy you can siphon from any living target. It's why you start off with a variant of soul trap that you can further modify.

The victims soul goes through you and then you pour it into that power into the soul gem. If the were using a base soul trap spell then the soul goes directly into the soul gem from the victim. So its an unfiltered pure soul.

More than that, there's some implication in the game that every person you kill has their soul funneled through Cold Harbour. Preempting the claims of other Daedric Princes on a few occasions.

Moonscythe · February 2015

I miss all of Morrowind. It was the most exotic and alien of the Elder Scrolls. Maybe some cliff racers would be nice to liven things up? What's a bear compared to a Nix Hound? At least we still have Alits. Oh, I do want mark and recall.

I really miss being able to swim in and under the water. It was an important part of my experience, in Skyrim especially.

theroyalestpythonnub18_ESO · February 2015

I'm sure I've said this before elsewhere, but I missing busting through locked doors with a weapon. Lockpicking is a waste of time.

newtinmpls · February 2015

Theosis wrote: »

I also miss the different forms of magic. Alteration, Destruction, Mysticism, Illusion, conjuration... it was awesome to actually have to level each of them.

Casting the unlock spell was kick ass. Not a fan of lock picking. Even Sneaking was leveled.

Good points; I would like an "advanced" lockpick/kit in the store (i.e. use it and the chest or whatever functions as one level easier).

As for types of magic, if they disconnected some spell skill/lines from any particular class, that could sort of equate.

Shadesofkin · February 2015

Different schools of magic is definitely something I miss too.

I wouldn't mind going back to "Class is a starting point, by no means the path" Classes we were given in older games. Not truly classless, but not stuck down one road either.

Ganacampo · February 2015

Hungers.
Rieklings.
It would be nice to do one of those daedric towers in the Deadlands again like in Oblivion.
Mixing face paint and scars like in Skyrim and not having them in one category.
Telvanni towers.

UrQuan · February 2015

starkerealm wrote: »

wenxue2222b16_ESO wrote: »

Housing and pickable farm crops.

Great, at the risk of sounding like a newbie, you're making me miss Hearthfire... also Vampire Lord, because, well, shank, it's the vampire lord.

Hearthfire was actually my favorite Skyrim DLC...

UrQuan · February 2015

Shadesofkin wrote: »

Different schools of magic is definitely something I miss too.

I could be wrong, but I thought I remembered hearing that the different schools of magic hadn't been codified in this era, and that Spellcrafting (whenever we get it) is supposed to represent the discovery (or possibly rediscovery - I'm not clear on whether this is just rediscovering the work of a now-vanished civilization) of the schools of magic.

cyclonus11 · February 2015

Kragorn wrote: »

6) Unique items can't work in an MMO without totally breaking the point .. there's only one of each relic in existence how can that possibly exist in an MMO?

Except for nearly all of the quest item rewards that you currently get...

Shadesofkin · February 2015

cyclonus11 wrote: »

Kragorn wrote: »

6) Unique items can't work in an MMO without totally breaking the point .. there's only one of each relic in existence how can that possibly exist in an MMO?

Except for nearly all of the quest item rewards that you currently get...

I've always played with the idea that what I'm being given isn't quite as powerful as the unique version of that artifact, it's more like a strong replica.

Gidorick · February 2015

Shadesofkin wrote: »

cyclonus11 wrote: »

Kragorn wrote: »

6) Unique items can't work in an MMO without totally breaking the point .. there's only one of each relic in existence how can that possibly exist in an MMO?

Except for nearly all of the quest item rewards that you currently get...

I've always played with the idea that what I'm being given isn't quite as powerful as the unique version of that artifact, it's more like a strong replica.

Nope. I'm the only one doing that quests. No one else is. They're just running around aimlessly.

Deheart · February 2015

For me the list is so long, I had to buy Skyrim and all upgrades for ps3 to get my fix. Upon doing so I realized that ESO (other than timeline and names) pretty much is not anything at all like skyrim and is basically a whole different game.

Don't get me wrong, I like ESO enough to sub off and on (and might even continue subbing after it goes ftp), but everything I love about skyrim is pretty much missing from ESO.

mbaucco_ESO · February 2015

I am an unabashed Morrowind fan boy, and although I enjoyed subsequent ES games they never managed to recapture the unique look, feel, and sound of Vardenfell. Also, each of the sequels dumbed down some of the most unique aspects of MW while improving others. Don't get me wrong, Skyrim and Oblivion were both good games, they just didn't grab me the way Morrowind did.

Also, in fairness, Morrowind was only really playable for me after heavy graphics modding. Thank heavens for the fine folks who did all the face, skin and texture replacements, not to mention the Better Bodies team!

Although I know a lot of this stuff can't work in ESO, here's some stuff that I really miss:

1) Hulk Jumping (aka fortify acrobatics)

2) Underwater swimming (the lack of this in ESO puzzles me, frankly)

3) Random unique items like the Daedric Helms hidden all over Vardenfell

4) Housing with free-form decoration rather than hook points. Since I couldn't keep my enemy's heads I kept their helmets on display in my trophy room.

5) Ash creatures! Some of those monsters were creepy as hell.

6) Ashlander Dunmer, their camps, and the old school Dunmer voice

8) Chitin armor

9) The drunk scamp and the mudcrab merchant

To be fair, I also really enjoyed killing vampires and the Dawnguard storyline in general, that came closer to satisfying my MW cravings more than just about anything has.

starkerealm · February 2015

mbaucco_ESO wrote: »

9) The drunk scamp and the mudcrab merchant

I could have sworn the scamp was a merchant in one of the new Outlaw Refuges.

mbaucco_ESO · February 2015

I hope you're right, I'm only level 15 so maybe the scamp is out there somewhere.