Scroll Swapping - Legal game play?

phtony06b14_ESO · February 2015

I was just on Haderus & a group of AD took a blue scroll we had captured all the way across the map to give to DC. Is this legal? Should it be if it is? Trolling to the extreme? I won't mention any names on forums but if you want them I have a couple.

Edit: Heh. When confronted in chat, the players responsible said they were going to get the scroll back b/c they were scroll swapping with players in other factions. Please tell me this is against the rules.

Minnesinger · February 2015

Based on the previous examples it is legit way. Sometimes it makes sense if you try to form some sort of alliance with another faction. It is legit too.

WRX · February 2015

Strategy

phtony06b14_ESO · February 2015

So scroll swapping to get AP points quicker is a legit strategy? Sounds more like someone is gaming the system. It will be interesting to get ZOS' take on this.

Roechacca · February 2015

Most everything that would be considered unintended game play goes ignored by ZOS here . Jumping scroll gates , swapping scrolls , creating lag . I wouldn't bother notifying any GM's . Add the names to people you don't want to assist is the only personal action you can take . When enough people get tired of it they usually fade away when they can't find help .

Tripwyr · February 2015

phtony06b14_ESO wrote: »

So scroll swapping to get AP points quicker is a legit strategy? Sounds more like someone is gaming the system. It will be interesting to get ZOS' take on this.

How exactly did you make that connection? Huge jump from giving away the scroll to farming AP.

WarrioroftheWind_ESO · February 2015

phtony06b14_ESO wrote: »

So scroll swapping to get AP points quicker is a legit strategy? Sounds more like someone is gaming the system. It will be interesting to get ZOS' take on this.

I think this was done in retaliation for what happened yesterday, where members of a EP guild scroll-trolled for a long period of time, and to add injury to insult took 4 scrolls simultaneously. I was under the impression that scroll-trolling was a bannable offense, correct me if I'm wrong. I'm EP and I felt embarrassed by such poor sportsmanship. if AD can stand for Absolute *** then EP should stand for Egotistical Pricks in regards to the guild associated with the scroll trolling and the recent horrid gameplay on Had.

phtony06b14_ESO · February 2015

Tripwyr wrote: »

phtony06b14_ESO wrote: »

So scroll swapping to get AP points quicker is a legit strategy? Sounds more like someone is gaming the system. It will be interesting to get ZOS' take on this.

How exactly did you make that connection? Huge jump from giving away the scroll to farming AP.

B/c we confronted them in chat & they told us what they were doing.

Columba · February 2015

ZOS doesn't punish hackers, cheaters, exploiters or thieves. However , God forbid you actually specify an exploiter!

Roechacca · February 2015

Why is it every time there's contriversy over game play it's the same guilds jumping in to defend it ? Why don't you guys just knock it off and play your faction without shady crap ? It's always "well so n so did this so we did that n stuff" ... It's like you kids never played a real sport in life , just these video games .

Anu_Saukko_Tutkija · February 2015

rules, what rules?, there are rules at war? C'mon, don't be a no no man.
Nothing is true, everything is permitted
"across the map to give to DC. Is this legal?" no, that is federal crime, Fbi will arrest them.

Etaniel · February 2015

phtony06b14_ESO wrote: »

So scroll swapping to get AP points quicker is a legit strategy? Sounds more like someone is gaming the system. It will be interesting to get ZOS' take on this.

I'm confused, how exactly do you farm ap by "scroll swapping"? Was ther intent to grab the scroll, get close to enemy lines in order to bait them and farm them there? Because I thought you meant they deliberately dropped the scroll to the opposite factino as a gift?

technohic · February 2015

This is why there is a 3 faction system. Ever play risk where you can make treaties and break them? Thats what this is and it should be used a lot more if one side is dominant. It's a way of self balancing.

EDIT: Just read the scroll swwapping to farm AP. Im ok with swapping to return each others scrolls in a sort of "truce" type thing, but not to just continually farm AP.

Sanct16 · February 2015

Etaniel wrote: »

phtony06b14_ESO wrote: »

So scroll swapping to get AP points quicker is a legit strategy? Sounds more like someone is gaming the system. It will be interesting to get ZOS' take on this.

I'm confused, how exactly do you farm ap by "scroll swapping"? Was ther intent to grab the scroll, get close to enemy lines in order to bait them and farm them there? Because I thought you meant they deliberately dropped the scroll to the opposite factino as a gift?

We are on the ESO forums. Pls stop trying to make sense.

I have 2 thumbs. NERF DK, BUFF BOW. ESO forum logic.

Cody · February 2015

ZOS openly allows and supports cheating.

no use complaining about it, nothing will be done.

Leovolao · February 2015

I really hope this is a LOL farming thread.

Komma · February 2015

This is a good thing whether some are upset about it or not. All part of what makes AvAvA work so one side isn't crushed out of existence.

Roechacca · February 2015

Komma wrote: »

This is a good thing whether some are upset about it or not. All part of what makes AvAvA work so one side isn't crushed out of existence.

Ya I get that part too . Coming from a new player perspective though , a guy or girl logs in , sees their faction grab a scroll and then gives it to another team . You gotta expect these people are gonna be like "wtf?" After they helped get it . Not everyone has logged in to see the back and forth of a campaign . So people , not you at all , but people should understand from this angle why these questions are going to pop up . Expect even more when Tamriel Unlimited launches and the new players arrive . To them it's going to be shady .

That's why I think people should just play their faction and let the chips fall where they may in pvp . Agreeing to a little cross faction assistance , ie not pushing each other's Keeps and Castles for a time is one thing , but the Scroll thing is always gonna draw skepticism .

s7732425ub17_ESO · February 2015

Dude, anything goes in Cyrodiil.

RinaldoGandolphi · February 2015

Of course it is, par for the course

DisgracefulMind · February 2015

Cody wrote: »

ZOS openly allows and supports cheating.

no use complaining about it, nothing will be done.

This isn't cheating imo. If one faction decides they'd like to return the scroll of another faction as a gift or as an offering for temporary truce....how is that cheating?

Roechacca · February 2015

DisgracefulMind wrote: »

Cody wrote: »

ZOS openly allows and supports cheating.

no use complaining about it, nothing will be done.

This isn't cheating imo. If one faction decides they'd like to return the scroll of another faction as a gift or as an offering for temporary truce....how is that cheating?

I'll explain the gray area here . Since there's options to enter same campaigns with opposite faction toons , there's no real way to determine this Scroll gift just isn't delivering what a player wants on his or her main faction toon . They could be trolling the other team . Now if factions were locked down tight with no loop holes to switch sides , the authenticity of this transaction being simply a truce offering would be met with less scrutiny .

Pancake-Tragedy · February 2015

roechacca wrote: »

DisgracefulMind wrote: »

Cody wrote: »

ZOS openly allows and supports cheating.

no use complaining about it, nothing will be done.

This isn't cheating imo. If one faction decides they'd like to return the scroll of another faction as a gift or as an offering for temporary truce....how is that cheating?

I'll explain the gray area here . Since there's options to enter same campaigns with opposite faction toons , there's no real way to determine this Scroll gift just isn't delivering what a player wants on his or her main faction toon . They could be trolling the other team . Now if factions were locked down tight with no loop holes to switch sides , the authenticity of this transaction being simply a truce offering would be met with less scrutiny .

This situation doesn't really contain a gray area though. It was a 1 for 1 swap with both sides agreeing.

I fully understand that not everyone on both sides agreed with the decision, but that is diplomacy/politics for ya.

Roechacca · February 2015

Pancake-Tragedy wrote: »

roechacca wrote: »

DisgracefulMind wrote: »

Cody wrote: »

ZOS openly allows and supports cheating.

no use complaining about it, nothing will be done.

This isn't cheating imo. If one faction decides they'd like to return the scroll of another faction as a gift or as an offering for temporary truce....how is that cheating?

I'll explain the gray area here . Since there's options to enter same campaigns with opposite faction toons , there's no real way to determine this Scroll gift just isn't delivering what a player wants on his or her main faction toon . They could be trolling the other team . Now if factions were locked down tight with no loop holes to switch sides , the authenticity of this transaction being simply a truce offering would be met with less scrutiny .

This situation doesn't really contain a gray area though. It was a 1 for 1 swap with both sides agreeing.

I fully understand that not everyone on both sides agreed with the decision, but that is diplomacy/politics for ya.

So another scroll was given to AD after ? I Never read that part .

Pancake-Tragedy · February 2015

roechacca wrote: »

Pancake-Tragedy wrote: »

roechacca wrote: »

DisgracefulMind wrote: »

Cody wrote: »

ZOS openly allows and supports cheating.

no use complaining about it, nothing will be done.

This isn't cheating imo. If one faction decides they'd like to return the scroll of another faction as a gift or as an offering for temporary truce....how is that cheating?

I'll explain the gray area here . Since there's options to enter same campaigns with opposite faction toons , there's no real way to determine this Scroll gift just isn't delivering what a player wants on his or her main faction toon . They could be trolling the other team . Now if factions were locked down tight with no loop holes to switch sides , the authenticity of this transaction being simply a truce offering would be met with less scrutiny .

This situation doesn't really contain a gray area though. It was a 1 for 1 swap with both sides agreeing.

I fully understand that not everyone on both sides agreed with the decision, but that is diplomacy/politics for ya.

So another scroll was given to AD after ? I Never read that part .

The OP says they were swapping scrolls. I don't know if "another" scroll was given to AD or not, but honestly I feel it is beside the point. I know you feel that some sort of griefing could occur when these trades happen (and it could), but realistically, what could be done about it?

If you look at it from an admin's point of view, it could be hard to discern from legitimate cross-faction diplomacy and straight-up asshatery from a cross-faction player helping out his home team.

With the ability to play all sides of the field, it could be hard for anyone in charge to make a decision that doesn't set a precedent that impacts future cross-faction interaction negatively.

Roechacca · February 2015

Pancake-Tragedy wrote: »

roechacca wrote: »

Pancake-Tragedy wrote: »

roechacca wrote: »

DisgracefulMind wrote: »

Cody wrote: »

ZOS openly allows and supports cheating.

no use complaining about it, nothing will be done.

This isn't cheating imo. If one faction decides they'd like to return the scroll of another faction as a gift or as an offering for temporary truce....how is that cheating?

I'll explain the gray area here . Since there's options to enter same campaigns with opposite faction toons , there's no real way to determine this Scroll gift just isn't delivering what a player wants on his or her main faction toon . They could be trolling the other team . Now if factions were locked down tight with no loop holes to switch sides , the authenticity of this transaction being simply a truce offering would be met with less scrutiny .

This situation doesn't really contain a gray area though. It was a 1 for 1 swap with both sides agreeing.

I fully understand that not everyone on both sides agreed with the decision, but that is diplomacy/politics for ya.

So another scroll was given to AD after ? I Never read that part .

The OP says they were swapping scrolls. I don't know if "another" scroll was given to AD or not, but honestly I feel it is besides the point. I know you feel that some sort of griefing could occur when these trades happen (and they could), but realistically, what could be done about it?

If you look at it from an admin's point of view, it could be hard to discern from legitimate cross-faction diplomacy and straight-up asshatery from a cross-faction player helping out his home team.

With the ability to play all sides of the field, it could be hard for anyone in charge to make a decision that doesn't set a precedent that impacts future cross-faction interaction negatively.

That's why my original answer was to just not interact or assist those players if the OP didn't like seeing it happen or believed azzhattery maybe afoot .

Panda244 · February 2015

Blues helped me get Emperor from the EP terror regime on Blackwater couple months ago, I talked with a few AD that were regulars and we agreed to grab a DC scroll and run it back for them. It's basically a thank you to the other group, shake hands after a game, etc etc.

Roechacca · February 2015

Panda244 wrote: »

Blues helped me get Emperor from the EP terror regime on Blackwater couple months ago, I talked with a few AD that were regulars and we agreed to grab a DC scroll and run it back for them. It's basically a thank you to the other group, shake hands after a game, etc etc.

A scroll was a the reward for Emperor ? I had no idea my peers loyalty could be bought so cheaply . Hats off to You Salesman of the year !

WarrioroftheWind_ESO · February 2015

If you're referring to where AD ran the scroll over and delivered it for free if it was after 30 minutes, then yes that is a part of gameplay. It sounds *** but it is an element of war that is mirrored in the game.

But if you're going to pass the scroll run it off the bat. Don't sit in the keep dropping it and picking it up repeatedly sending zone-wide alerts to everyone part of the camp. That was just disgusting.

Panda244 · February 2015

roechacca wrote: »

Panda244 wrote: »

Blues helped me get Emperor from the EP terror regime on Blackwater couple months ago, I talked with a few AD that were regulars and we agreed to grab a DC scroll and run it back for them. It's basically a thank you to the other group, shake hands after a game, etc etc.

A scroll was a the reward for Emperor ? I had no idea my peers loyalty could be bought so cheaply . Hats off to You Salesman of the year !

Lol... They helped us at Ash, by cutting off Aleswell, because I asked them to... Not because they were getting a scroll out of it. The decision to give them a scroll came about an hour later when I had finished rolfstomping the EP zergs with muh yellow friends back to their gates. And we were like

Speaker A says: "Yall feel like running another scroll?"
Looks at speaker A, speaker B says: Hellllll naaaahhh mutha [snip] you crazzzzy!!!"

[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Cursing & Profanity]

capcody · February 2015

ye man, i picked up the scroll. \0/ cheers to the funny guy that ran it to dc