Quest getting too high for my lvl...?

brandon.coker101_ESO · February 2015

Not sure why but for some reason I'm not leveling fast enough and the quest are getting a little too tough for me to do with out dying time and time again. I'm a little worried at some point I'll not be able to do any quest because I'll be too low of a lvl for the whole zone.

I did not skip a single quest and I tried using the dungeon finder to build up some xp but the wait time on that is insane.

Any tips? Do I have to grind out a couple lvls or what?

Nestor · February 2015

Get the Destinations Addon as you are probably missing quests. It will show you all the quest hubs. If you just do the main quests for a zone, you won't level up as much as you need to.

If you get the Adventurer (certain number of quests in a zone), do the 3 Dolmens, all the Delves (skyshard dungeons for instance) and World Bosses and Public Dungeons, you will out level a zone more often then not.

Kragorn · February 2015

Generally speaking as long as you do all quests and solo delves in a zone (and dolmens and the public group dungeon if you want but I rarely do) my experience is that this doesn't happen, really.

I did see this to a small extent in the middle of the Covenant leveling, briefly, but certainly this isn't a game where mob grinding pre-50 is needed.

Merlin13KAGL · February 2015

Need a little more info, OP. What level are you and what zone are you trying to quest in?

Generally, it's almost impossible to not be overleveled for a zone if you clear everything out, sometimes being a full zone ahead at some point.

Usually the issue is the opposite, having quests go grey because you have surpassed them.

What (all) activities do you do in a zone?

brandon.coker101_ESO · February 2015

hmmm....maybe I have missed some quest.

I'll try that addon.

AlnilamE · February 2015

Yeah. You probably missed stuff.

Even without the addon, if you look at your map and see any areas that are kind of empty, go explore. That's how I found the quests I was missing in Rivenspire.

brandon.coker101_ESO · February 2015

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

Need a little more info, OP. What level are you and what zone are you trying to quest in?

Generally, it's almost impossible to not be overleveled for a zone if you clear everything out, sometimes being a full zone ahead at some point.

Usually the issue is the opposite, having quests go grey because you have surpassed them.

What (all) activities do you do in a zone?

Mostly just all the quest I come across and public / solo dungeons..

brandon.coker101_ESO · February 2015

Nestor wrote: »

Get the Destinations Addon as you are probably missing quests. It will show you all the quest hubs. If you just do the main quests for a zone, you won't level up as much as you need to.

If you get the Adventurer (certain number of quests in a zone), do the 3 Dolmens, all the Delves (skyshard dungeons for instance) and World Bosses and Public Dungeons, you will out level a zone more often then not.

Looks like the addon you're talking about is called Undiscovered but it's out of date.

nerevarine1138 · February 2015

brandon.coker101_ESO wrote: »

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

Need a little more info, OP. What level are you and what zone are you trying to quest in?

Generally, it's almost impossible to not be overleveled for a zone if you clear everything out, sometimes being a full zone ahead at some point.

Usually the issue is the opposite, having quests go grey because you have surpassed them.

What (all) activities do you do in a zone?

Mostly just all the quest I come across and public / solo dungeons..

Are you getting achievements for completing all quests in a zone?

What about dolmens, delves, exploration?

It's literally impossible to be underleveled if you're actually doing all the content in a zone.

karmamule · February 2015

AlnilamE wrote: »

Yeah. You probably missed stuff.

Even without the addon, if you look at your map and see any areas that are kind of empty, go explore. That's how I found the quests I was missing in Rivenspire.

I think this is a much more fun way to go about looking for content you missed than just checking items off a list from some web page or addon. You'll also stumble across more treasure chests, blue books for Mages Guild and more if you start roaming around.

I've also seen the occasional oddity in quest-chain levels, for example over in AD: The 'Fit to Rule' quest is level 19, but a couple subquests are level 22 and 23, then the final wrap-up-quest is back down to level 20 or something, so if you don't notice you'll hit a wall when you try to do the subquests right away. (especially Rajhin's (sp?) Mantle).

Muizer · February 2015

brandon.coker101_ESO wrote: »

Not sure why but for some reason I'm not leveling fast enough and the quest are getting a little too tough for me to do with out dying time and time again. I'm a little worried at some point I'll not be able to do any quest because I'll be too low of a lvl for the whole zone.

I did not skip a single quest and I tried using the dungeon finder to build up some xp but the wait time on that is insane.

Any tips? Do I have to grind out a couple lvls or what?

Watch which way you're going. Usually (though not always) the main quest line for your alliance will point you in the direction you need to go. Complete quests along the way. If you wander off too far though, you could be doing quests you're not "scheduled" to do until later with npcs that are higher leveled than you.

EDIT: also, kill mobs. In the latest update a substantial chunk of your xp will come from this. It's not like you need to grind, but if, otoh, you make it a habit to sneak past everyone, that will end up hurting your progress.

Nestor · February 2015

brandon.coker101_ESO wrote: »

Looks like the addon you're talking about is called Undiscovered but it's out of date.

Undiscovered is one of them, but I am talking about Destinations, which is better. And was updated yesterday....

http://www.esoui.com/downloads/info667-Destinations.html

brandon.coker101_ESO · February 2015

Muizer wrote: »

Watch which way you're going. Usually (though not always) the main quest line for your alliance will point you in the direction you need to go. Complete quests along the way. If you wander off too far though, you could be doing quests you're not "scheduled" to do until later with npcs that are higher leveled than you.

And this may be part of my problem....I just noticed I had a quest to visit the harborage and didn't realize it. It's fairly old too so....

newtinmpls · February 2015

Even it it's old, do it, as you may hit interesting things along the way. While XP may grey out, lorebooks don't.

I don't actually know if you stop getting the fighters guide XP/count for undead/daedra if they are greyed out. Probably....

Nestor · February 2015

newtinmpls wrote: »

I don't actually know if you stop getting the fighters guide XP/count for undead/daedra if they are greyed out. Probably....

I did not. I was in Sanguine's Demesne, a L27ish Daedric Public Dungeon with my L40 and got nothing for killing the daedra in there. Well, they do count for the various categories of kills that go to the Monster Hunter Achievement, but not FG progression.

Have to 5 or less levels above the mobs you are fighting to get the full credits from killing them.

Merlin13KAGL · February 2015

brandon.coker101_ESO wrote: »

Muizer wrote: »

Watch which way you're going. Usually (though not always) the main quest line for your alliance will point you in the direction you need to go. Complete quests along the way. If you wander off too far though, you could be doing quests you're not "scheduled" to do until later with npcs that are higher leveled than you.

And this may be part of my problem....I just noticed I had a quest to visit the harborage and didn't realize it. It's fairly old too so....

@brandon.coker101_ESO , I have outstanding news for you then, as those quests never expire - they will level to your current character not matter what, ever since scaling was implemented.

Unless you're sneaking past most of the mobs, just clearing the zones will put you half a zone ahead per each zone.

Nestor wrote: »

newtinmpls wrote: »

I don't actually know if you stop getting the fighters guide XP/count for undead/daedra if they are greyed out. Probably....

I did not. I was in Sanguine's Demesne, a L27ish Daedric Public Dungeon with my L40 and got nothing for killing the daedra in there. Well, they do count for the various categories of kills that go to the Monster Hunter Achievement, but not FG progression.

Have to 5 or less levels above the mobs you are fighting to get the full credits from killing them.

@Nestor, @newtinmpls‌ , any time you are more than 5 levels above the mobs, you will not get XP's or loot. You will however, still get end of quest XP's and rewards.

So, if possible, try to do Green quests now, Yellow and Red next, reserving greys for when you have nothing left in your log, or you need to clear space.

TheShadowScout · February 2015

Nestor wrote: »

If you get the Adventurer (certain number of quests in a zone), do the 3 Dolmens, all the Delves (skyshard dungeons for instance) and World Bosses and Public Dungeons, you will out level a zone more often then not.

I have to second that... always did all the sidequests and everything on my characters, and at worst (the sneaky character who snuck past many of the mobs instead of killing them) I was maybe one level below the general zone (noticable from the level of gear the non-scaling quests drop for you).
All the others usually were a bit overlevel... means you get a bit less XP, and the gear often is meh, but it does make the going smoother (and the mainquest & mages/fighter guild questlines scale to your level if above their starter level nowadays anyhow)
Of course, I always explore for all landmarks, grab all skyshards, keep my eyes open for treasure chests and lorebooks... all adding to XP. And sometimes you stumble into some hidden sidequest while exploring as well...
And worst case, there still are a lot of things you can do for extra XP - Cyrodil dailies, PvP, dwelves, dungeons...

Curragraigue · February 2015

Given you missed the main story quests check to make sure you haven't missed the Fighter's Guild and Mage's Guild quests because like the main story quests they level to you.

starkerealm · February 2015

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

brandon.coker101_ESO wrote: »

Muizer wrote: »

Watch which way you're going. Usually (though not always) the main quest line for your alliance will point you in the direction you need to go. Complete quests along the way. If you wander off too far though, you could be doing quests you're not "scheduled" to do until later with npcs that are higher leveled than you.

And this may be part of my problem....I just noticed I had a quest to visit the harborage and didn't realize it. It's fairly old too so....

@brandon.coker101_ESO , I have outstanding news for you then, as those quests never expire - they will level to your current character not matter what, ever since scaling was implemented.

Unless you're sneaking past most of the mobs, just clearing the zones will put you half a zone ahead per each zone.

Nestor wrote: »

newtinmpls wrote: »

I don't actually know if you stop getting the fighters guide XP/count for undead/daedra if they are greyed out. Probably....

I did not. I was in Sanguine's Demesne, a L27ish Daedric Public Dungeon with my L40 and got nothing for killing the daedra in there. Well, they do count for the various categories of kills that go to the Monster Hunter Achievement, but not FG progression.

Have to 5 or less levels above the mobs you are fighting to get the full credits from killing them.

@Nestor, @newtinmpls‌ , any time you are more than 5 levels above the mobs, you will not get XP's or loot. You will however, still get end of quest XP's and rewards.

So, if possible, try to do Green quests now, Yellow and Red next, reserving greys for when you have nothing left in your log, or you need to clear space.

This isn't completely true. There are certain skill lines that will continue to advance on kills even if the victim is much lower than your level. Werewolf comes to mind. But, they are an oddity, and Fighters Guild is not one of them.

Surfinginhawaii · February 2015

You can always grind your character to level, if you're in EP below is a video to the grind spots:

https://youtube.com/watch?v=GSPWzsTAVhg

starkerealm · February 2015

Nestor wrote: »

Get the Destinations Addon as you are probably missing quests.

Well, there went my morning. I was going to be productive... but, no, I spent it chasing M'aiq and shaking down merchants.

Nestor · February 2015

starkerealm wrote: »

Well, there went my morning. I was going to be productive... but, no, I spent it chasing M'aiq and shaking down merchants.

I both love and hate the markers for Maiq and the 3 Random Encounters. Love that they are there, then I have to clear the encounters to get them off the map so I hate that the markers are there.......

starkerealm · February 2015

Nestor wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

Well, there went my morning. I was going to be productive... but, no, I spent it chasing M'aiq and shaking down merchants.

I both love and hate the markers for Maiq and the 3 Random Encounters. Love that they are there, then I have to clear the encounters to get them off the map so I hate that the markers are there.......

You could turn them off... which wouldn't help the OCD impulse to find them...

newtinmpls · February 2015

Oh I shudder to think of an OCD grinder not wanting to stop until everything has been checked. By which time half of the resources will have reset....

Tomg999 · February 2015

Also make sure you have good armor & equipment, perhaps in sets. It's a big difference running around in white armor a level low compared to some blue stuff or a set of 5 that grants a nice bonus.
Also take advantage of the forum and all of the info on the web about skills & strategies. I had to learn to be a better player, and learn a lot about what to spend my skill points on. For me, the day I learned about weaving, everything suddenly got much easier.

BRogueNZ · February 2015

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

..any time you are more than 5 levels above the mobs, you will not get XP's or loot. You will however, still get end of quest XP's and rewards.

So, if possible, try to do Green quests now, Yellow and Red next, reserving greys for when you have nothing left in your log, or you need to clear space.

Still getting loot and XP/VP from v5 mobs at V13..obviously not as much but still getting it

starkerealm · February 2015

BRogueNZ wrote: »

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

..any time you are more than 5 levels above the mobs, you will not get XP's or loot. You will however, still get end of quest XP's and rewards.

So, if possible, try to do Green quests now, Yellow and Red next, reserving greys for when you have nothing left in your log, or you need to clear space.

Still getting loot and XP/VP from v5 mobs at V13..obviously not as much but still getting it

For overleveling, all vet characters are considered level 50. You can go back to Cold Harbour and slap the level 45s around, and still get XP and loot from them. ...actually, it might need to be the level 46s, but, still.

You can also see that if you check quest levels. Vet rank quests will always report as level 50. You're still a level 50 character, you just have this end game progression system slapped over it.

phairdon · February 2015

My main fell behind. Always found myself half a level behind the next zone. In the end it provided little challenge.
Finding yourself a nice spot to grind can level you up appropriately. There are other benefits of grinding, like gaining materials for crafting.
Found a nice spot which took me from vr 10 - vr 14. While leveling I was able to start crafting. leveled both black smith & woodworking. Now have clothing sitting at level 36.
Only downside with grinding is it can become boring quickly.

Going to run into the same issue with my other vet character too, with so few people in veteran zones; because taking on world bosses & dolmens is not always advisable on your own.

starkerealm · February 2015

phairdon wrote: »

Only downside with grinding is it can become boring quickly.

That's part of why I tend to keep the kill achievements pinned on my screen. To let me know how soon I can abandon this shank and move on to something new.

phairdon · February 2015

starkerealm wrote: »

phairdon wrote: »

Only downside with grinding is it can become boring quickly.

That's part of why I tend to keep the kill achievements pinned on my screen. To let me know how soon I can abandon this shank and move on to something new.

Still going through the grind process for the sake of crafting (must say it's been good for the bank balance too). Going to work on a non vet level alt after this.

Imryll · February 2015

I have the opposite problem. I'm avoiding combat whenever possible (including Cyrodiil PvP), not opening chests on characters I plan to level, and avoiding writs to try and reduce overleveling. Unless different factions offer very different amounts of XP (or higher level zones offer fewer quests), I have a hard time seeing how underleveling is possible unless you're not exploring as much of the zones as you think you are. I rather envy you your problem!