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Crown Store Items and Prices definitely sounds P2W to me
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Iago✭✭✭✭✭How is it P2W?
oh wait, it's not...
When did they lie? Oh wait, they didn't... They said from get go that potions from the store won't be better than crafted potions but slightly better than potions bought ingame. Info from the B2P announcement video. Get your facts right before vomiting garbage on the forums please
They clearly said items in the crown shop would not be an better than items sold in game by vendors but repair kits That repair every broken item in your inventory are far superior to kits that only repair one item within a certain level range.That which we obtain to cheap we esteem to lightly, it is dearness only that gives everything its value.
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Joejudas✭✭✭✭✭This is Q&A from Paul Sage two days ago. To me...and maybe its just me...but this absolutely screams exp boosters coming to the cash shop. If that happens....well....i mean yeah......
Q: There are a number of potentially controversial possibilities for cash-shop purchases including forward camps, Nirncrux, crafting motifs, or upgrade materials. What are some of the main concerns and internal rules that you will consider when choosing what types of items will or will not be allowed in the shop?
Paul Sage : "Obviously, we want to offer items people want and that there is a demand for. What we don’t want to do is only offer the best items – items which grant players clear numerical advantages over other players – on our store. When we talk about convenience items, what we generally mean is items which allow people to reduce the time it might take to acquire something they want. I think cosmetic items speak for themselves. We know there is a fine line, but there is also a line where we feel like if you buy something from the store it should have value."ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Hello everyone!
As part of Update 6, we are introducing the Crown Store: an in-game store where you can purchase customization and convenience items. The store offers consumables you can use to save time on in-game activities (like experience and crafting boosters, for example) along with new customization options including costumes, exotic pets, and mounts. When the Crown Store launches, we’ll have a number of items available immediately, but what about the future? Tell us what sorts of goods and services you would like to see offered in the Crown Store – you can be as general or specific as you’d like.
Taken from my earlier post. I interpret this as p2w. If I don't pay money I will in fact be behind. Other folks might not think the same way about it, which is fine. The OP is correct imo .Edited by Joejudas on February 8, 2015 12:58AM5 -
WraithAzraiel✭✭✭✭✭
✭How is it P2W?
oh wait, it's not...
When did they lie? Oh wait, they didn't... They said from get go that potions from the store won't be better than crafted potions but slightly better than potions bought ingame. Info from the B2P announcement video. Get your facts right before vomiting garbage on the forums please
They clearly said items in the crown shop would not be an better than items sold in game by vendors but repair kits That repair every broken item in your inventory are far superior to kits that only repair one item within a certain level range.
You mean I can actually get a repair kit that scales with me instead of losing it's usefulness while I level?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?
What? I can have potions that do the same thing and don't become vendor-trash after 3 levels??!?!?!
HOW DARE THEY!
Seriously guys, you're nit-picking. Staaaaaaahp.Edited by WraithAzraiel on February 8, 2015 1:20AMShendell De'Gull - V14 Vampire Nightblade
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Aidantwab16_ESO✭✭✭If the Imperial Edition price is any indication, I've got to say that as of right now, this is a very reasonably priced cash shop in my opinion.Edited by Aidantwab16_ESO on February 8, 2015 1:22AM3
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Iago✭✭✭✭✭WraithAzraiel wrote: »How is it P2W?
oh wait, it's not...
When did they lie? Oh wait, they didn't... They said from get go that potions from the store won't be better than crafted potions but slightly better than potions bought ingame. Info from the B2P announcement video. Get your facts right before vomiting garbage on the forums please
They clearly said items in the crown shop would not be an better than items sold in game by vendors but repair kits That repair every broken item in your inventory are far superior to kits that only repair one item within a certain level range.
You mean I can actually get a repair kit that scales with me instead of losing it's usefulness while I level?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?
What? I can have potions that do the same thing and don't become vendor-trash after 3 levels??!?!?!
HOW DARE THEY!
Seriously guys, you're nit-picking. Staaaaaaahp.
It has nothing to do with the repair kit scaling, it has everything to do with the repair kit will repair any and all items in your inventory when used.That which we obtain to cheap we esteem to lightly, it is dearness only that gives everything its value.
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WraithAzraiel✭✭✭✭✭
✭WraithAzraiel wrote: »How is it P2W?
oh wait, it's not...
When did they lie? Oh wait, they didn't... They said from get go that potions from the store won't be better than crafted potions but slightly better than potions bought ingame. Info from the B2P announcement video. Get your facts right before vomiting garbage on the forums please
They clearly said items in the crown shop would not be an better than items sold in game by vendors but repair kits That repair every broken item in your inventory are far superior to kits that only repair one item within a certain level range.
You mean I can actually get a repair kit that scales with me instead of losing it's usefulness while I level?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?
What? I can have potions that do the same thing and don't become vendor-trash after 3 levels??!?!?!
HOW DARE THEY!
Seriously guys, you're nit-picking. Staaaaaaahp.
It has nothing to do with the repair kit scaling, it has everything to do with the repair kit will repair any and all items in your inventory when used.
I fail to see the importance of this to P2W. So you can save in game gold by spending real world money?
Please, elaborate on what's wigging you out so bad about this, cuz I just don't see it.Shendell De'Gull - V14 Vampire Nightblade
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Tamanous✭✭✭✭✭timidobserver wrote: »Go play SWTOR where you have to pay to equip raid gear. Then you'll see what P2W is.
That still is not pay to win. Swtor is still a sub game with a painfully complicated f2p system. If did NOT have a sub option that waved all of those restrictions it would then be a pay to win system. To avoid all issues you simply sub which is exactly what Bioware wants you to do. It is simply a complicated trial system and exists entirely because Bioware MUST protect their subscribers. F2p players simply pay to be on par if they wish not to sub. 100% NOT pay to win.
It is very clear that most posters here have zero clue what a pay to win game is. DL certain eastern mmos and find out the very harsh reality of what pay to win really means. You will see systems where you MUST buy things like enchantments and buffs to even remotely have a chance to take on ANY end game content. The cost of those buffs often increase exponentially allowing people willing to pay $1000 to obtain levels of power impossible to gain by normal game play. The option to play the game without the cash shop DOES NOT EXIST!!! THAT is pay to win.
Edited by Tamanous on February 8, 2015 1:36AM4 -
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✭Disagree, Nothing in the store thus far feels p2w. I think the xp gains from subbing/ring of Mara are cheesy and against the spirit of the game, but as far as p2w I'd say no.0 -
Joejudas✭✭✭✭✭I think that when you take into account how long it takes to level....the exp boosters are just the start. The slope is slippery folks7
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✭The plus membership is more p2w then those items.
Wear are the best items in the game for sell...sadden and this post was misleading and got my hopes up.0 -
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✭LordSkyKnight wrote: »Anything that you can buy in the cash shop allowing you to circumvent standardized mechanics of a game is paying to win
You're setting the bar for "winning" awfully low. Like, Charlie Sheen low
I get it - there is definitely a point-of-view that essentially says, "anything with a direct impact on game mechanics" is a 'win.' That has the virtue of being a bright-line rule. However, I think the market has moved into the grey area, and we'll just have to hope they don't stray into "buy this or suck" territory.Snit AD Sorc
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WraithAzraiel✭✭✭✭✭
✭The plus membership is more p2w then those items.
Wear are the best items in the game for sell...sadden and this post was misleading and got my hopes up.
What?Shendell De'Gull - V14 Vampire Nightblade
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Funkopotamus✭✭✭✭✭After playing just about every cash shop MMO out there.... I must say this cash shop is just about toothless when it comes to harming the game community.
What the hell did you expect them to put in there? You seem to want them to only sell items that you can "WTF LMAO you bought that?" at people for buying..
There are going to be items you do not want in there if that is how you feel I would just uninstall the game now.. I personally do not want a cash shop in the game, but they have to make money and everything in there right now does not hurt the community. When they sell end game gear or Insta max character potions then you can hand me one of your torches..Edited by Funkopotamus on February 8, 2015 3:23AMAnything useful that players are wanting added into the game all fall under the category of "Yer ruinin my 'mersion!" Sallington2 -
Theosis✭✭✭✭WraithAzraiel wrote: »LordSkyKnight wrote: »Anything that you can buy in the cash shop allowing you to circumvent standardized mechanics of a game is paying to win. It doesn't necessarily have to be top end game gear to be called pay to win. Something as small as allowing you to level faster or revive yourself or repair your items is circumvented the standard systems in the game which I consider paying (buying cash shop items) to win at the game. The whole goal of the game is to level up and find gear to make you stronger. Thus items you purchase that allow you to level easier or faster is in fact paying to win.
In my opinion.
So being max level makes you win? You do realize that there's more to the game than being V14 right? Used to be you could get to V14 in hours of grinding rather than days of questing. Didn't mean those people were any good at their class.
So what's 10% faster for people that are questing? Time saved. It's not like you hit V14 and you instantly get a set of Trial gear tailored to your play style.
There's plenty of V14's that suck at their class and are still grasping how to play. Soooo how is max level winning again?
To go in the same direction, I do a lot of PUGs recently to clear undaunted pledges and you'd be surprise how many V14 have never stepped in a vet dungeon...
Ive never been in a vet dungeon. Nothing in the list Ive seen yet will make me level my already leveled char any faster..
I can make better potions with almost no effort..
I'm just going to skip all these p2w posts from now on.. These people are just losing their... stuff* over nothing.This is were my signature would be if I was allowed one.0 -
Snit✭✭✭✭✭
✭Funkopotamus wrote: »I must say this cash shop is just about toothless when it comes to harming the game community.
Let's hope it stays that way. We recently saw Archeage's cash shop start out with cute little baby teeth. Then, it turned into a sabre-toothed cash-hole that consumed all its path.
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goldnugget✭✭✭currently, THE BEST REPAIR KIT IN THE GAME is in the p2w cash shop. THAT IS PAY 2 WIN!
BEST ITEM OF ITS CLASS IN PVP FOR REAL MONEY ONLY.
they said there wouldnt be items better than what is obtainable for free with time. they blatantly lied to us and offered p2w cash shop items that are better than anything in the game.Edited by goldnugget on February 8, 2015 5:17AM4 -
Iago✭✭✭✭✭kelly.medleyb14_ESO wrote: »P2W or not , ESO is making an obvious money grab. Disgusting.
you're absolutely right and the worst part is starting out the crown store as they have it's only going to get worse.
That which we obtain to cheap we esteem to lightly, it is dearness only that gives everything its value.
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Razzak✭✭✭✭✭I don't see current items as P2W, but potions and repair kit can be better than in-game ones. So, one of their promises already skewed, wonder if others will also become so.
if, on the other hand, they would make in-game potions and repair kits scalable, that would not be the case.
They haven't made them clearly better, but they have made them more desirable, which is only slightly different. Cash potions especially, can have a bad influence on crafters.0 -
WraithAzraiel✭✭✭✭✭
✭goldnugget wrote: »currently, THE BEST REPAIR KIT IN THE GAME is in the p2w cash shop. THAT IS PAY 2 WIN!
BEST ITEM OF ITS CLASS IN PVP FOR REAL MONEY ONLY.
they said there wouldnt be items better than what is obtainable for free with time. they blatantly lied to us and offered p2w cash shop items that are better than anything in the game.
No they didn't. The only differences between this Repair Kit and the ones you buy for gold is the ones you buy for gold have a level range and are 1 kit per item repaired.
Rumor is the Crown Shop kits repair everything with just one kit. HOW IS THIS PAY TO WIN? If anything all it's doing is saving you time and gold.
Time: The time it takes to find the vendor that sells the kit appropriate to your level.
Gold: By spending RL currency you're not spending in game gold, which you can use to buy other things.
WHAT ARE YOU WINNING WITH CONVENIENTLY REPAIRED GEAR?
/tableflip
Also, PvP doesn't damage you gear. or damages it ridiculously slow.Edited by WraithAzraiel on February 8, 2015 9:43AMShendell De'Gull - V14 Vampire Nightblade
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Welka✭✭✭✭✭goldnugget wrote: »currently, THE BEST REPAIR KIT IN THE GAME is in the p2w cash shop. THAT IS PAY 2 WIN!
BEST ITEM OF ITS CLASS IN PVP FOR REAL MONEY ONLY.
they said there wouldnt be items better than what is obtainable for free with time. they blatantly lied to us and offered p2w cash shop items that are better than anything in the game.
lol. Calm down before you pop a vein...
Cash shop RK = $$$ + 1 click = all repaired
Ingame RK = 2800 gold + 7 clicks = all repaired
Cash shop offers you nothing at this stage that gives you an edge in game or that you can't find/craft in game.
I make about 10k gold a day ingame just playing it, no grinding or farming. So I could easily buy those kits but I don't need them so I just stack the ones received doing the crafting writs.
I make about 20 souls gems a day also just playing casually, so again no edge here.
I can craft the best potions in game and I have more mats than I can use potions, just by collecting all the plants I find while traveling to locations.
Seriously guys, these convenience items are just... Convenient. Crazy isn't it.
Even XP boosts aren't P2W, it's only pay to get there faster and that's fine.
As long as you can't buy gear in cash shop that give you an edge, or damage boost and such, then it's not P2W
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✭✭The following list of prices come from this thread http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/149910/crown-store-items-pictures-and-more on the PTS forum
Go through read the item descriptions we were told crown store items would be just like what we buy from vendors and well they are better then what we can get in game. I would accuse ZOS of lying about that too but hey I am sure they have a valid excuse for misleading everyone.I've finished collecting all the screen shots and details from the crown store. It's here which I'll try to upload some images so if you don't want to visit my site you can see here.
http://deltiasgaming.com/2015/02/02/elder-scrolls-online-crown-store/
Welcome to our Elder Scrolls Online Crown Store post for all the latest in ESO Cash Shop. The Crown Store is currently on the Public Test Server (not live in game) and these items are meant for preview purposes and may change before or after the launch of Patch 1.6.
http://youtu.be/VnsqBesk7XA
***NOTE*** We do not know what the conversion rate of Crowns to Currency. So all the prices listed are in “crowns” NOT USD amounts.
Table of Contents- Quick List
- Bundles
- Consumables
- Costumes
- Mounts
- Pets
Quick List
What we know so far about the Crown Stores is:- Bound to player
- Can be use through Collection User Interface on every character on your account
- Price undetermined
- Once purchased, added to collections and a notification
- Your item will be greyed out if you purchase to prevent re-purchasing
Bundles
Digital Imperial Edition Upgrade – 2100 Crowns
Starter Bundle -Includes 20 Crown Health, Crown Magicka & Crown Stamina potions, Piebald Destrier Mount and The Whiterun Wolfhound Pet- 1500 Crowns
Consumables- Crown Health potions (20 items) 200
- Crown Stamina potions (20 items) 200
- Crown Magicka Potions (20 items) 200
- Crown Soul Gems for (20 items) 200
- Crown Repair Kit for (10 items) 400(I bolded the Crown repair kits as they repair all items in inventory instead of just one item at a time. if tyou want to know more check out this link http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/150155/crown-store-repair-kits-will-now-repair-all-items-in-your-inventory-did-they-go-too-far)
Costumes
Armored Knights Pack Bundle 700 (includes 3 costumes below)
Knight of the Flame
Lion Guard Knight
Lion Guard Elite
Stealthy Rogues Pack Bundle 700 (includes 3 costumes below)
Naryu’s Assassin’s Armor
Crafy Leria’s Thief Outfit
Covenant Scout Costume
Tribal Shamans Pack Bundle 700 (includes 3 costumes below)
Tree-Minder
Black Marsh Keeper
Valenwood Spinner
Woodland Scouts Pack Bundle
Breton Ranger Costume
Jaqspur Costume
Dominion Scout Costume
Woodland Scouts Pack
Chef 400
Black & Maroon Dress 400
Draugr Polymorph 1000
Royal Court Jester 700
Wedding Dress 700
Mounts
White Mane Horse 900
Piebald Destrier 900
Dapple Gray Palfrey 900
Tessellated Guar 1300
Banded Guar Charger 1300
Pets
Housecat 400
Alik’r Dune-Hound 400
Bantam Guar 400
Striated Pony Guar 400
Whindhelm Wolfhound 400
Striped Senche Panther 700
Bundles
Digital Imperial Edition Upgrade – 2100 Crowns
Digital Imperial Edition Upgrade - 2100 CrownsDigital Imperial Edition Upgrade – Includes all the perks of the Digital Imperial Edition. Ride as a proud Imperial alongside a familiar friend (2,100 crown).
Starter Bundle -Includes 20 Crown Health, Crown Magicka & Crown Stamina potions, Piebald Destrier Mount and The Whiterun Wolfhound Pet- 1500 Crowns
CrownsStarter Bundle -Includes 20 Crown Health, Crown Magicka & Crown Stamina potions, Piebald Destrier Mount and The Whiterun Wolfhound Pet- 1500 CrownsStarter Pack – Make adventuring a little easier at any level with a suite of potions, a faithful hound, and a horse to ride.
Consumables
Crown Health Potion by 20 for 200 Crowns
Crown Stamina Potion by 20 for 200 Crowns
Crown Magicka Potion by 20 for 200 Crowns
Crown Soul Gem (400 Crowns)
Crown Repair Kits by 10 (4oo Crowns)
Costumes
Armored Knights Pack Bundle 700 (includes 3 costumes below Knight of the Flame, Lion Guard Knight and Lion Guard Elite)
Knight of the Flame -(one of three from Armored Knights Pack Bundle 700 Crowns)
Lion Guard Knight - (one of three from Armored Knights Pack Bundle 700 Crowns)
Lion Guard Elite - (one of three from Armored Knights Pack Bundle 700 Crowns)
Stealthy Rogues Pack Bundle 700 (includes 3 costumes below (Naryu’s Assassin’s Armor, Crafy Leria’s Thief Outfit and Covenant Scout Costume)
Naryu’s Assassin’s Armor - (one of three costumes from Stealthy Rogues Pack Bundle 700 Crowns)
Crafy Leria’s Thief Outfit
Covenant Scout Costume - (one of three costumes from Stealthy Rogues Pack Bundle 700 Crowns)
Tribal Shamans Pack Bundle 700 (includes 3 costumes Tree-Minder, Black Marsh Keeper, and Valenwood Spinner below for 700 Crowns)
Tree-Minder - (one of three costumes from Tribal Shamans Pack Bundle 700 Crowns)
Black Marsh Keeper - (one of three costumes from Tribal Shamans Pack Bundle 700 Crowns)
Valenwood Spinner - (one of three costumes from Tribal Shamans Pack Bundle 700 Crowns)
Woodland Scouts Pack Bundle
[img]Breton Ranger Costume - (one of three costumes from Woodland Scouts Pack http://deltiasgaming.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/Breton-Ranger-Costume-Male.jpg[/img]
Jaqspur Costume (one of three costumes from Woodland Scouts Pack Bundle 700 Crowns)
Dominion Scout Costume (one of three costumes from Woodland Scouts Pack Bundle 700 Crowns)
Chef’s Outfit (individual purchase BoE and account bound for 400 Crowns)
Blacksmith Costume Male (individual purchase BoE and account bound for 400
Draugr Polymorph 1000
Royal Court Jester Costume Male (individual purchase BoE and account bound for 700 Crowns)
Wedding Dress Costume Male (individual purchase BoE and account bound for 700 Crowns)
Mounts
White Mane Horse Mount (individual purchase for 900 Crowns)
Gray Yokudan Charger (individual purchase of 900 Crowns)
Piebald Destrier Mount (individual purchase for 900 Crowns)
Dapple Gray Palfrey Mount (individual purchase for 900 Crowns)
Tessellated Guar Mount (individual purchase for 1300 Crowns)
Banded Guar Charger Mount (individual purchase for 1300 Crowns)
Pets
Pets
Housecat Pet (individual purchase 400 Crowns)
Alik’r Dune-Hound Pet (individual purchase 400 Crowns)
Bantam Guar Pet (individual purchase 400 Crowns)
Striated Pony Guar (individual purchase 400 Crowns)
Windhelm Wolfhound (individual purchase 400 Crowns)
Striped Senche-Panther (individual purchase 700 Crowns)
[Moderator Note: Added spoiler tags due to excessive quoting]
Just went through your entire list, everything is either in the game or cosmetic, nothing is pay to win.People believe what they either want to be true or what they are afraid is true!
Wizard's first rule
Passion rules reason
Wizard's third rule
Mind what people Do, not what they say, for actions betray a lie.
Wizard's fifth rule
Willfully turning aside from the truth is treason to one's self
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AlexDougherty✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭How is it P2W?
oh wait, it's not...
When did they lie? Oh wait, they didn't... They said from get go that potions from the store won't be better than crafted potions but slightly better than potions bought ingame. Info from the B2P announcement video. Get your facts right before vomiting garbage on the forums please
They clearly said items in the crown shop would not be an better than items sold in game by vendors but repair kits That repair every broken item in your inventory are far superior to kits that only repair one item within a certain level range.
OK, but it's like a couple of hundred gold to repair to gear, if you do it sensibly, so not much of an advantage.People believe what they either want to be true or what they are afraid is true!
Wizard's first rule
Passion rules reason
Wizard's third rule
Mind what people Do, not what they say, for actions betray a lie.
Wizard's fifth rule
Willfully turning aside from the truth is treason to one's self
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Razzak✭✭✭✭✭AlexDougherty wrote: »How is it P2W?
oh wait, it's not...
When did they lie? Oh wait, they didn't... They said from get go that potions from the store won't be better than crafted potions but slightly better than potions bought ingame. Info from the B2P announcement video. Get your facts right before vomiting garbage on the forums please
They clearly said items in the crown shop would not be an better than items sold in game by vendors but repair kits That repair every broken item in your inventory are far superior to kits that only repair one item within a certain level range.
OK, but it's like a couple of hundred gold to repair to gear, if you do it sensibly, so not much of an advantage.
That's beside the point. It's "only" couple of hundred now. Better is better no matter how small the difference is and according to their own words, it's should not be better. And cash shop game hasn't even started yet. Remember, the most scary part of cash shops is the possibility to slowly creep towards more difference between in game and cash shop. And excuses like "it's only" do not help in preventing this from happening.
Any kind of difference or advantage can be excused with "if you do it sensibly". Do you really want to make excuses for someone who has already proven does not stick to their own promises? I guess you do, as you probably see it as helping. I am just wondering who or what you are helping with that?2 -
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✭I see nothing in the store that is p2w to me(at the moment), I do not see the sword of a thousand truths being offered. exp potions so what everyone levels at a different rate without them.
some folks would think no stat fuzzy bunny slippers would be p2w just because they cannot afford to buy them.. /shrug2 -
Welka✭✭✭✭✭AlexDougherty wrote: »How is it P2W?
oh wait, it's not...
When did they lie? Oh wait, they didn't... They said from get go that potions from the store won't be better than crafted potions but slightly better than potions bought ingame. Info from the B2P announcement video. Get your facts right before vomiting garbage on the forums please
They clearly said items in the crown shop would not be an better than items sold in game by vendors but repair kits That repair every broken item in your inventory are far superior to kits that only repair one item within a certain level range.
OK, but it's like a couple of hundred gold to repair to gear, if you do it sensibly, so not much of an advantage.
That's beside the point. It's "only" couple of hundred now. Better is better no matter how small the difference is and according to their own words, it's should not be better. And cash shop game hasn't even started yet. Remember, the most scary part of cash shops is the possibility to slowly creep towards more difference between in game and cash shop. And excuses like "it's only" do not help in preventing this from happening.
Any kind of difference or advantage can be excused with "if you do it sensibly". Do you really want to make excuses for someone who has already proven does not stick to their own promises? I guess you do, as you probably see it as helping. I am just wondering who or what you are helping with that?
Still don't see the point about repair kits since... who the hell uses repair kits!?
TP in town, repair, TP back to instance. And honestly since you can faceroll any instance these days, who needs to repair anyway?8 -
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✭AlexDougherty wrote: »How is it P2W?
oh wait, it's not...
When did they lie? Oh wait, they didn't... They said from get go that potions from the store won't be better than crafted potions but slightly better than potions bought ingame. Info from the B2P announcement video. Get your facts right before vomiting garbage on the forums please
They clearly said items in the crown shop would not be an better than items sold in game by vendors but repair kits That repair every broken item in your inventory are far superior to kits that only repair one item within a certain level range.
OK, but it's like a couple of hundred gold to repair to gear, if you do it sensibly, so not much of an advantage.
That's beside the point. It's "only" couple of hundred now. Better is better no matter how small the difference is and according to their own words, it's should not be better. And cash shop game hasn't even started yet. Remember, the most scary part of cash shops is the possibility to slowly creep towards more difference between in game and cash shop. And excuses like "it's only" do not help in preventing this from happening.
Any kind of difference or advantage can be excused with "if you do it sensibly". Do you really want to make excuses for someone who has already proven does not stick to their own promises? I guess you do, as you probably see it as helping. I am just wondering who or what you are helping with that?
Still don't see the point about repair kits since... who the hell uses repair kits!?
TP in town, repair, TP back to instance. And honestly since you can faceroll any instance these days, who needs to repair anyway?
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