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Crown Store Items and Prices definitely sounds P2W to me
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The following list of prices come from this thread http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/149910/crown-store-items-pictures-and-more on the PTS forum
Go through read the item descriptions we were told crown store items would be just like what we buy from vendors and well they are better then what we can get in game. I would accuse ZOS of lying about that too but hey I am sure they have a valid excuse for misleading everyone.
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Edited by ZOS_MichelleA on February 7, 2015 4:03PM Go through read the item descriptions we were told crown store items would be just like what we buy from vendors and well they are better then what we can get in game. I would accuse ZOS of lying about that too but hey I am sure they have a valid excuse for misleading everyone.
I've finished collecting all the screen shots and details from the crown store. It's here which I'll try to upload some images so if you don't want to visit my site you can see here.
http://deltiasgaming.com/2015/02/02/elder-scrolls-online-crown-store/
Welcome to our Elder Scrolls Online Crown Store post for all the latest in ESO Cash Shop. The Crown Store is currently on the Public Test Server (not live in game) and these items are meant for preview purposes and may change before or after the launch of Patch 1.6.http://youtu.be/VnsqBesk7XA
***NOTE*** We do not know what the conversion rate of Crowns to Currency. So all the prices listed are in “crowns” NOT USD amounts.
Table of Contents
- Quick List
- Bundles
- Consumables
- Costumes
- Mounts
- Pets
Quick List
What we know so far about the Crown Stores is:
- Bound to player
- Can be use through Collection User Interface on every character on your account
- Price undetermined
- Once purchased, added to collections and a notification
- Your item will be greyed out if you purchase to prevent re-purchasing
Bundles
Digital Imperial Edition Upgrade – 2100 Crowns
Starter Bundle -Includes 20 Crown Health, Crown Magicka & Crown Stamina potions, Piebald Destrier Mount and The Whiterun Wolfhound Pet- 1500 Crowns
Consumables
- Crown Health potions (20 items) 200
- Crown Stamina potions (20 items) 200
- Crown Magicka Potions (20 items) 200
- Crown Soul Gems for (20 items) 200
- Crown Repair Kit for (10 items) 400(I bolded the Crown repair kits as they repair all items in inventory instead of just one item at a time. if tyou want to know more check out this link http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/150155/crown-store-repair-kits-will-now-repair-all-items-in-your-inventory-did-they-go-too-far)
Costumes
Armored Knights Pack Bundle 700 (includes 3 costumes below)
Knight of the Flame
Lion Guard Knight
Lion Guard Elite
Stealthy Rogues Pack Bundle 700 (includes 3 costumes below)
Naryu’s Assassin’s Armor
Crafy Leria’s Thief Outfit
Covenant Scout Costume
Tribal Shamans Pack Bundle 700 (includes 3 costumes below)
Tree-Minder
Black Marsh Keeper
Valenwood Spinner
Woodland Scouts Pack Bundle
Breton Ranger Costume
Jaqspur Costume
Dominion Scout Costume
Woodland Scouts Pack
Chef 400
Black & Maroon Dress 400
Draugr Polymorph 1000
Royal Court Jester 700
Wedding Dress 700
Mounts
White Mane Horse 900
Piebald Destrier 900
Dapple Gray Palfrey 900
Tessellated Guar 1300
Banded Guar Charger 1300
Pets
Housecat 400
Alik’r Dune-Hound 400
Bantam Guar 400
Striated Pony Guar 400
Whindhelm Wolfhound 400
Striped Senche Panther 700
Bundles
Digital Imperial Edition Upgrade – 2100 Crowns
Digital Imperial Edition Upgrade - 2100 CrownsDigital Imperial Edition Upgrade – Includes all the perks of the Digital Imperial Edition. Ride as a proud Imperial alongside a familiar friend (2,100 crown).
Starter Bundle -Includes 20 Crown Health, Crown Magicka & Crown Stamina potions, Piebald Destrier Mount and The Whiterun Wolfhound Pet- 1500 Crowns
CrownsStarter Bundle -Includes 20 Crown Health, Crown Magicka & Crown Stamina potions, Piebald Destrier Mount and The Whiterun Wolfhound Pet- 1500 CrownsStarter Pack – Make adventuring a little easier at any level with a suite of potions, a faithful hound, and a horse to ride.
Consumables
Crown Health Potion by 20 for 200 Crowns
Crown Stamina Potion by 20 for 200 Crowns
Crown Magicka Potion by 20 for 200 Crowns
Crown Soul Gem (400 Crowns)
Crown Repair Kits by 10 (4oo Crowns)
Costumes
Armored Knights Pack Bundle 700 (includes 3 costumes below Knight of the Flame, Lion Guard Knight and Lion Guard Elite)
Knight of the Flame -(one of three from Armored Knights Pack Bundle 700 Crowns)
Lion Guard Knight - (one of three from Armored Knights Pack Bundle 700 Crowns)
Lion Guard Elite - (one of three from Armored Knights Pack Bundle 700 Crowns)
Stealthy Rogues Pack Bundle 700 (includes 3 costumes below (Naryu’s Assassin’s Armor, Crafy Leria’s Thief Outfit and Covenant Scout Costume)
Naryu’s Assassin’s Armor - (one of three costumes from Stealthy Rogues Pack Bundle 700 Crowns)
Crafy Leria’s Thief Outfit
Covenant Scout Costume - (one of three costumes from Stealthy Rogues Pack Bundle 700 Crowns)
Tribal Shamans Pack Bundle 700 (includes 3 costumes Tree-Minder, Black Marsh Keeper, and Valenwood Spinner below for 700 Crowns)
Tree-Minder - (one of three costumes from Tribal Shamans Pack Bundle 700 Crowns)
Black Marsh Keeper - (one of three costumes from Tribal Shamans Pack Bundle 700 Crowns)
Valenwood Spinner - (one of three costumes from Tribal Shamans Pack Bundle 700 Crowns)
Woodland Scouts Pack Bundle
[img]Breton Ranger Costume - (one of three costumes from Woodland Scouts Pack http://deltiasgaming.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/Breton-Ranger-Costume-Male.jpg[/img]
Jaqspur Costume (one of three costumes from Woodland Scouts Pack Bundle 700 Crowns)
Dominion Scout Costume (one of three costumes from Woodland Scouts Pack Bundle 700 Crowns)
Chef’s Outfit (individual purchase BoE and account bound for 400 Crowns)
Blacksmith Costume Male (individual purchase BoE and account bound for 400
Draugr Polymorph 1000
Royal Court Jester Costume Male (individual purchase BoE and account bound for 700 Crowns)
Wedding Dress Costume Male (individual purchase BoE and account bound for 700 Crowns)
Mounts
White Mane Horse Mount (individual purchase for 900 Crowns)
Gray Yokudan Charger (individual purchase of 900 Crowns)
Piebald Destrier Mount (individual purchase for 900 Crowns)
Dapple Gray Palfrey Mount (individual purchase for 900 Crowns)
Tessellated Guar Mount (individual purchase for 1300 Crowns)
Banded Guar Charger Mount (individual purchase for 1300 Crowns)
Pets
Pets
Housecat Pet (individual purchase 400 Crowns)
Alik’r Dune-Hound Pet (individual purchase 400 Crowns)
Bantam Guar Pet (individual purchase 400 Crowns)
Striated Pony Guar (individual purchase 400 Crowns)
Windhelm Wolfhound (individual purchase 400 Crowns)
Striped Senche-Panther (individual purchase 700 Crowns)
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That which we obtain to cheap we esteem to lightly, it is dearness only that gives everything its value.
-Thomas Pain
-Thomas Pain
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Iago✭✭✭✭✭ArcanusMagus wrote: »Did you have to quote that entire post like that?
Since you ask I did indeed need to quote he entire postThat which we obtain to cheap we esteem to lightly, it is dearness only that gives everything its value.
-Thomas Pain12 -
Welka✭✭✭✭✭How is it P2W?
oh wait, it's not...
When did they lie? Oh wait, they didn't... They said from get go that potions from the store won't be better than crafted potions but slightly better than potions bought ingame. Info from the B2P announcement video. Get your facts right before vomiting garbage on the forums please68 -
Snit✭✭✭✭✭
✭Most of the items you copy-pasted are cosmetic. The rest fall into the "more convenient/ faster" category. If you consider the latter to be "P2W," then almost no B2P/ F2P will satisfy you (only Path of Exile comes to mind).
Most MMO's draw the line at 'really good gear.' As long as that's not in the cash shop, we're fine. At least, that's my opinion
Snit AD Sorc
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Theosis✭✭✭✭Not even remotely pay to win.
Pay to win would give us top notch gear. It would give us the best weapons and the best armors. I see no such items.
Argument invalid.This is were my signature would be if I was allowed one.36 -
dharbert✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭There is absolutely nothing in the crown store currently that is pay to win or gives you an advantage.13 -
JamilaRaj✭✭✭✭✭
✭Not even remotely pay to win.
Pay to win would give us top notch gear. It would give us the best weapons and the best armors. I see no such items.
Argument invalid.
Pete? Pete Hines? Is that you?10 -
GaldorP✭✭✭✭✭Strictly speaking, in the ESO Live from January 20th Matt Firor did say:
Which is of course not true for the cosmetic items (but I guess he was already talking about convenience items there)Matt Firor, Game Director wrote:"Our philosophy is you can't get anything in the shop that you can't get by playing."
And in the same ESO Live Paul Sage said:
But crown store repair kits are a tiny bit better than the all the ones you can currently get in the gamePaul Sage, Creative Director wrote:"Again, we have to make sure that they are not better than anything you can gain in the game."
But personally, I have no problem at all with how the crown store is right now on the PTS, I expected much, much worse when I heard statements like the following ^^
In other words, there is a chance that it's not going to be the only place to get the best gear?Paul Sage wrote:"The game is still going to be the best place to get the best gear."
What I fear/expect:
Items that preserve or restore Enlightenment and Platinum Undaunted pledge (small daily solo dungeons or quests that require a crown store item and give you 20-30 points for the Undaunted skill line and a chance to get a boss helmet; in the worst case a new boss helmet set that can only be obtained in the platinum pledge).
Edit: But then again, even that would still be ok The very worst case would be reduced spawn rates for alchemy ingredients and crown store consumables that are needed to stay competitive in PvP or are needed to complete trials/the veteran dragonstar arena or even veteran dungeons. That would be terrible. Or legendary materials, nirncrux stones and rare set items sold directly in the crown store. But I don't think they would ever do that (no subscription MMOG I know has ever done that when it went free to play) Edited by GaldorP on February 7, 2015 3:50PM3 -
Mathius_Mordred✭✭✭✭✭
✭Gotta agree with the others, exactly what aspect of that huge list is P2W?Skyrim Red Shirts. Join us at https://skyrimredshirts.co.ukJoin Skyrim Red Shirts. Free trader. We welcome all, from new players to Vets. A mature drama-free social group enjoying PVE questing, PvP, Dungeons, trials and arenas. Web, FB Group & Discord. Guild Hall, trial dummy, crafting, transmutation, banker & merchant. You may invite your friends. No requirements7 -
ShadowDisciple✭✭✭✭OP...you dont know what does P2W means....and you dont know how to use forum...pls use spolier tags for your post..
P2W= Allows player to use real life cash to buy items that will give them distinctive advantage againt other players
If jester riding a grey mane horse makes you unkillable then its p2w...but until then pls refrain from posting such stupidity22 -
Ashtaris✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭OP, it's not even remotely P2W so I don't know how you jumped to that conclusion. There is nothing in the Crown store that will give one player an advantage over the other in terms of character strength or statistics. If they start offering special armor sets or weapons, that's when I'll be concerned.7 -
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✭✭✭✭Go play SWTOR where you have to pay to equip raid gear. Then you'll see what P2W is.V16 Uriel Stormblessed EP Magicka Templar(main)
V16 Derelict Vagabond EP Stamina DK
V16 Redacted Ep Stam Sorc
V16 Insolent EP Magicka Sorc(retired)
V16 Jed I Nyte EP Stamina NB(retired)4 -
Leeric✭✭✭✭As long as those items don't exceed what you can create in game using crafting I won't complain to much. GW2 store seems very similar to this.1 -
Snit✭✭✭✭✭
✭Mathius_Mordred wrote: »Gotta agree with the others, exactly what aspect of that huge list is P2W?
Some people think anything other than pure cosmetics crosses the P2W line.
The market has left those people behind, though. They need to learn where the new line is -- anything not as bad as the pure P2W's, Archeage, Neverwinter etc. Snit AD Sorc
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✭I dont think you have ever played a p2w game if you think that store is p2w...Edited by c0rp on February 7, 2015 4:56PMForce weapon swap to have priority over EVERYTHING. Close enough.
Make stamina builds even with magicka builds.
Disable abilities while holding block.
Give us a REASON to do dungeons more than once.
Remove PVP AoE CAP. It is ruining Cyrodiil.
Fix/Remove Forward Camps. They are ruining Cyrodiil.
Impenetrability needs to REDUCE CRIT DAMAGE. Not negate entire builds.
Werewolf is not equal to Vamps/Bats.5 -
VoidParticle✭✭P2W would be more like buying legendary tempers for gear, getting the best siege equipment, or maybe a totally new siege engine with different functionality for only real cash.Edited by VoidParticle on February 7, 2015 5:03PM1 -
Hamfast✭✭✭✭✭Is it PTW or PTTUS? I already have issues with space, this is just what I need, more stuff I can pay for that will take up space... (Pay To Take Up Space)Of all the things I have lost, I miss my mind the most...1
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✭✭✭The pots are not that great and everything else is cosmetic.... Your argument is SO INVALID its hailed as a standalone religion in another universe where stuff is backwards.4 -
Faugaun✭✭✭✭✭Is it PTW or PTTUS? I already have issues with space, this is just what I need, more stuff I can pay for that will take up space... (Pay To Take Up Space)
@Hamfast
They have done a huge overhaul on the inventory side of things, for instance stacks of items now go to 200, there are much fewer provisioning ingredients, costumes and pets now do not take up space and a few extra small changes to really help with inventory management.My new startup social network for Theorycrafting
Champion Point Calculators
Sharable samples:
http://asolutionaday.com/test/Warrior.htm?ba=5&bl=&e=12&ha=10&he=&l=&m=&n=5&q=20&r=15&s=15&t=18
http://asolutionaday.com/test/Thief.htm?a=5&b=22&d=2&e=18&h=8&ma=0&mo=5&sh=9&sp=19&te=12&tu=13&w=1
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Faugaun✭✭✭✭✭Mettaricana wrote: »The pots are not that great and everything else is cosmetic.... Your argument is SO INVALID its hailed as a standalone religion in another universe where stuff is backwards.
AlmSiViMy new startup social network for Theorycrafting
Champion Point Calculators
Sharable samples:
http://asolutionaday.com/test/Warrior.htm?ba=5&bl=&e=12&ha=10&he=&l=&m=&n=5&q=20&r=15&s=15&t=18
http://asolutionaday.com/test/Thief.htm?a=5&b=22&d=2&e=18&h=8&ma=0&mo=5&sh=9&sp=19&te=12&tu=13&w=1
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Nivzruo_ESO✭✭✭✭***, If you need a good example of P2W, open Steam and download APB : reloaded, it's f2p 3rd person shooter/rpg with cash shop, mess around with that for an hour or 2 and you'll know the true meaning of P2W.Nelgyntc- V14 NB1 -
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✭This whole P2W thing is being blown WILDLY out of proportion.
At this point, I'm just assuming every post about P2W is without legitimate base and is fearmongering/doomsaying/trolling from now on.
This nonsense is getting out of hand.
But hey if it prevents them from ever going down the P2W path, then good on you guys.
But as it stands, every single post about this topic is grasping at straws.Shendell De'Gull - V14 Vampire Nightblade
Captain of the Black Howling
"There's no such thing as overkill..."
"No problem on the face of the Earth exists what can't be fixed with the proper application of enough duct tape and 550 cord."
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LordSkyKnight✭✭✭✭✭Anything that you can buy in the cash shop allowing you to circumvent standardized mechanics of a game is paying to win. It doesn't necessarily have to be top end game gear to be called pay to win. Something as small as allowing you to level faster or revive yourself or repair your items is circumvented the standard systems in the game which I consider paying (buying cash shop items) to win at the game. The whole goal of the game is to level up and find gear to make you stronger. Thus items you purchase that allow you to level easier or faster is in fact paying to win.
In my opinion."And it's important to state that our decision to go with subscriptions is not a referendum on online game revenue models. F2P, B2P, etc. are valid, proven business models - but subscription is the one that fits ESO the best, given our commitment to freedom of gameplay, quality and long-term content delivery. Plus, players will appreciate not having to worry about being "monetized" in the middle of playing the game, which is definitely a problem that is cropping up more and more in online gaming these days. The fact that the word "monetized" exists points to the heart of the issue for us: We don't want the player to worry about which parts of the game to pay for - with our system, they get it all."
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Welka✭✭✭✭✭Can't see any of these items helping me clearing sanctum orphidia. Or maybe the guar pet... I'll find out when 1.6 goes live 0
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✭LordSkyKnight wrote: »Anything that you can buy in the cash shop allowing you to circumvent standardized mechanics of a game is paying to win. It doesn't necessarily have to be top end game gear to be called pay to win. Something as small as allowing you to level faster or revive yourself or repair your items is circumvented the standard systems in the game which I consider paying (buying cash shop items) to win at the game. The whole goal of the game is to level up and find gear to make you stronger. Thus items you purchase that allow you to level easier or faster is in fact paying to win.
In my opinion.
So being max level makes you win? You do realize that there's more to the game than being V14 right? Used to be you could get to V14 in hours of grinding rather than days of questing. Didn't mean those people were any good at their class.
So what's 10% faster for people that are questing? Time saved. It's not like you hit V14 and you instantly get a set of Trial gear tailored to your play style.
There's plenty of V14's that suck at their class and are still grasping how to play. Soooo how is max level winning again?Shendell De'Gull - V14 Vampire Nightblade
Captain of the Black Howling
"There's no such thing as overkill..."
"No problem on the face of the Earth exists what can't be fixed with the proper application of enough duct tape and 550 cord."
P2PBetaTesters
#Tamriel_BETA_Team
#BETA_TESTER4LYF
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Welka✭✭✭✭✭WraithAzraiel wrote: »LordSkyKnight wrote: »Anything that you can buy in the cash shop allowing you to circumvent standardized mechanics of a game is paying to win. It doesn't necessarily have to be top end game gear to be called pay to win. Something as small as allowing you to level faster or revive yourself or repair your items is circumvented the standard systems in the game which I consider paying (buying cash shop items) to win at the game. The whole goal of the game is to level up and find gear to make you stronger. Thus items you purchase that allow you to level easier or faster is in fact paying to win.
In my opinion.
So being max level makes you win? You do realize that there's more to the game than being V14 right? Used to be you could get to V14 in hours of grinding rather than days of questing. Didn't mean those people were any good at their class.
So what's 10% faster for people that are questing? Time saved. It's not like you hit V14 and you instantly get a set of Trial gear tailored to your play style.
There's plenty of V14's that suck at their class and are still grasping how to play. Soooo how is max level winning again?
To go in the same direction, I do a lot of PUGs recently to clear undaunted pledges and you'd be surprise how many V14 have never stepped in a vet dungeon...2
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