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Are exp boosters coming in the future to the crown store ?!
Joejudas
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This is Q&A from Paul Sage two days ago. To me...and maybe its just me...but this absolutely screams exp boosters coming to the cash shop. If that happens....well....i mean yeah......
Q: There are a number of potentially controversial possibilities for cash-shop purchases including forward camps, Nirncrux, crafting motifs, or upgrade materials. What are some of the main concerns and internal rules that you will consider when choosing what types of items will or will not be allowed in the shop?
Paul Sage : "Obviously, we want to offer items people want and that there is a demand for. What we don’t want to do is only offer the best items – items which grant players clear numerical advantages over other players – on our store. When we talk about convenience items, what we generally mean is items which allow people to reduce the time it might take to acquire something they want. I think cosmetic items speak for themselves. We know there is a fine line, but there is also a line where we feel like if you buy something from the store it should have value."
This is my take on this:
After March people who subscribe will get a 10 percent boost to exp.
People who dont sub will be able to purchase the same boost from the crown store using crowns aka cash.
Not having a sub or money to buy exp boosters will mean you are behind.
This is p2w.
Edited by Joejudas on February 7, 2015 5:57AM Q: There are a number of potentially controversial possibilities for cash-shop purchases including forward camps, Nirncrux, crafting motifs, or upgrade materials. What are some of the main concerns and internal rules that you will consider when choosing what types of items will or will not be allowed in the shop?
Paul Sage : "Obviously, we want to offer items people want and that there is a demand for. What we don’t want to do is only offer the best items – items which grant players clear numerical advantages over other players – on our store. When we talk about convenience items, what we generally mean is items which allow people to reduce the time it might take to acquire something they want. I think cosmetic items speak for themselves. We know there is a fine line, but there is also a line where we feel like if you buy something from the store it should have value."
ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Hello everyone!
As part of Update 6, we are introducing the Crown Store: an in-game store where you can purchase customization and convenience items. The store offers consumables you can use to save time on in-game activities (like experience and crafting boosters, for example) along with new customization options including costumes, exotic pets, and mounts. When the Crown Store launches, we’ll have a number of items available immediately, but what about the future? Tell us what sorts of goods and services you would like to see offered in the Crown Store – you can be as general or specific as you’d like.
This is my take on this:
After March people who subscribe will get a 10 percent boost to exp.
People who dont sub will be able to purchase the same boost from the crown store using crowns aka cash.
Not having a sub or money to buy exp boosters will mean you are behind.
This is p2w.
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✭✭✭✭✭The quote "When we talk about convenience items, what we generally mean is items which allow people to reduce the time it might take to acquire something they want." pretty much leaves it open to everything and anything will be on the cash store sooner or later.7 -
Iago✭✭✭✭✭The quote "When we talk about convenience items, what we generally mean is items which allow people to reduce the time it might take to acquire something they want." pretty much leaves it open to everything and anything will be on the cash store sooner or later.
they've already said that there would be experienced boosters available in the cash shop for those who did not subscribe to the Plus membership.That which we obtain to cheap we esteem to lightly, it is dearness only that gives everything its value.
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Joejudas✭✭✭✭✭The quote "When we talk about convenience items, what we generally mean is items which allow people to reduce the time it might take to acquire something they want." pretty much leaves it open to everything and anything will be on the cash store sooner or later.
they've already said that there would be experienced boosters available in the cash shop for those who did not subscribe to the Plus membership.
when did they say that specifically ?2 -
Iago✭✭✭✭✭The quote "When we talk about convenience items, what we generally mean is items which allow people to reduce the time it might take to acquire something they want." pretty much leaves it open to everything and anything will be on the cash store sooner or later.
they've already said that there would be experienced boosters available in the cash shop for those who did not subscribe to the Plus membership.
when did they say that specifically ?
when I get home from work I'll take it back up so I can point you to the exact place it is mentioned.That which we obtain to cheap we esteem to lightly, it is dearness only that gives everything its value.
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Iago✭✭✭✭✭The quote "When we talk about convenience items, what we generally mean is items which allow people to reduce the time it might take to acquire something they want." pretty much leaves it open to everything and anything will be on the cash store sooner or later.
they've already said that there would be experienced boosters available in the cash shop for those who did not subscribe to the Plus membership.
when did they say that specifically ?
when I get home from work I'll take it back up so I can point you to the exact place it is mentioned.That which we obtain to cheap we esteem to lightly, it is dearness only that gives everything its value.
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Joejudas✭✭✭✭✭The quote "When we talk about convenience items, what we generally mean is items which allow people to reduce the time it might take to acquire something they want." pretty much leaves it open to everything and anything will be on the cash store sooner or later.
they've already said that there would be experienced boosters available in the cash shop for those who did not subscribe to the Plus membership.
when did they say that specifically ?
when I get home from work I'll take it back up so I can point you to the exact place it is mentioned.
i believe you. i can try and find it myself. Im a bit shocked i hadn't seen this until now3 -
Iago✭✭✭✭✭The quote "When we talk about convenience items, what we generally mean is items which allow people to reduce the time it might take to acquire something they want." pretty much leaves it open to everything and anything will be on the cash store sooner or later.
they've already said that there would be experienced boosters available in the cash shop for those who did not subscribe to the Plus membership.
when did they say that specifically ?
when I get home from work I'll take it back up so I can point you to the exact place it is mentioned.
i believe you. i can try and find it myself. Im a bit shocked i hadn't seen this until now
I'm pretty sure it was mentioned in the ESO live show that had to buy to play announcement in it.That which we obtain to cheap we esteem to lightly, it is dearness only that gives everything its value.
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i found it and included it in the OP. -_____-The quote "When we talk about convenience items, what we generally mean is items which allow people to reduce the time it might take to acquire something they want." pretty much leaves it open to everything and anything will be on the cash store sooner or later.
they've already said that there would be experienced boosters available in the cash shop for those who did not subscribe to the Plus membership.
when did they say that specifically ?
when I get home from work I'll take it back up so I can point you to the exact place it is mentioned.
i believe you. i can try and find it myself. Im a bit shocked i hadn't seen this until now
I'm pretty sure it was mentioned in the ESO live show that had to buy to play announcement in it.
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✭This is Q&A from Paul Sage two days ago. To me...and maybe its just me...but this absolutely screams exp boosters coming to the cash shop. If that happens....well....i mean yeah......
Q: There are a number of potentially controversial possibilities for cash-shop purchases including forward camps, Nirncrux, crafting motifs, or upgrade materials. What are some of the main concerns and internal rules that you will consider when choosing what types of items will or will not be allowed in the shop?
Paul Sage : "Obviously, we want to offer items people want and that there is a demand for. What we don’t want to do is only offer the best items – items which grant players clear numerical advantages over other players – on our store. When we talk about convenience items, what we generally mean is items which allow people to reduce the time it might take to acquire something they want. I think cosmetic items speak for themselves. We know there is a fine line, but there is also a line where we feel like if you buy something from the store it should have value."ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Hello everyone!
As part of Update 6, we are introducing the Crown Store: an in-game store where you can purchase customization and convenience items. The store offers consumables you can use to save time on in-game activities (like experience and crafting boosters, for example) along with new customization options including costumes, exotic pets, and mounts. When the Crown Store launches, we’ll have a number of items available immediately, but what about the future? Tell us what sorts of goods and services you would like to see offered in the Crown Store – you can be as general or specific as you’d like.
This is my take on this:
After March people who subscribe will get a 10 percent boost to exp.
People who dont sub will be able to purchase the same boost from the crown store using crowns aka cash.
Not having a sub or money to buy exp boosters will mean you are behind.
This is p2w.
It's not pay to win. Do all the people who started playing long before you did win because they got to max level before you did?
Who cares if they get to max level before you do? It's not like it's going anywhere.
Not pay to win if you're also able to achieve the end goal. What does it matter if they get there 10% faster? You can still get there.Shendell De'Gull - V14 Vampire Nightblade
Captain of the Black Howling
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✭Getting to max level doesn't guarantee you'll receive the best gear or the best anything.
Sooooo where's the win?Shendell De'Gull - V14 Vampire Nightblade
Captain of the Black Howling
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Joejudas✭✭✭✭✭im vr14. i have been vr10 since like 3 weeks after the game came out. this kind of cheap p2w stuff ruins games and you know it does. if you dont buy the exp boosters or pay a sub then you cant keep up. So here is a scenario :
Little jimmy isnt aware of these facts we listed above cause they cant get onto this forum. he buys the game for the console and quickly realizes that unless he buys boosters or subs he will fall behind. little jimmy does what alot of console gamers do and goes and sells this back to gamestop and buys something else. Console gamers wont put up with this. PC gamers wont either but for diffrent reasons.5 -
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✭im vr14. i have been vr10 since like 3 weeks after the game came out. this kind of cheap p2w stuff ruins games and you know it does. if you dont buy the exp boosters or pay a sub then you cant keep up. So here is a scenario :
Little jimmy isnt aware of these facts we listed above cause they cant get onto this forum. he buys the game for the console and quickly realizes that unless he buys boosters or subs he will fall behind. little jimmy does what alot of console gamers do and goes and sells this back to gamestop and buys something else. Console gamers wont put up with this. PC gamers wont either but for diffrent reasons.
PC gamers won't put up with XP boosters?
Are you nuts? It's XP not currency for buying raid gear?!
Now I could understand if ZOS were selling gear or stat boosts on the Crown Store, but XP boosters? Craft time boosters?
Who cares?!
They're time-savers.
I can drop scenarios too, watch:
What if a single dad plays the game to relax, right?
He has a bunch of buddies that can play a lot more often than he so he falls behind them because he's got a job and kids and can only play a few hours every night, tops. Should he suffer being left out of being on par with his friends because of his lifestyle?
An XP boost won't make ANY difference to anyone in the long run. Max level is available to everyone, at their pace. People who have wanted to get there faster than others have used grind spots in the past. Now a 10% XP boost will be available.
Who cares? It's not like they're purchasing gear or anything you can't get to on your own by devoting time. They just have less time available than you do and you want to begrudge them that?
You fearmongers and doomsayers are grasping at straws if you're calling XP boosts Pay 2 Win. You really are.
Take a breath and relax, no use getting all worked up before the damn thing comes out.
If it comes out and you can increase your stats or buy tempers or trial gear off the Crown Store, then you can lose your minds.
Until then? Wooo saaa, man Woooo saaaa.Shendell De'Gull - V14 Vampire Nightblade
Captain of the Black Howling
"There's no such thing as overkill..."
"No problem on the face of the Earth exists what can't be fixed with the proper application of enough duct tape and 550 cord."
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Mercutio✭✭✭✭XP Boosters are huge in the CS for The Secret World (though they have slightly different names, won't bore you with the details), Honestly I expected the Crown Store to launch with them.
What I wonder is if said XP Potions will stack with the Subscriber 10% bonus?Edited by Mercutio on February 7, 2015 8:55AMThe problem with arguing with a jackass is that they never stop braying.
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Mercutio✭✭✭✭...Little jimmy isnt aware of these facts we listed above cause they cant get onto this forum. he buys the game for the console and quickly realizes that unless he buys boosters or subs he will fall behind...
'Fall behind' whom exactly? Other players? There will always be other players who catass at the computer 18 hours a day and locust the content. Hell, someone who puts in two hours a day will leave me in the dust. There is always a bigger fish in the ocean.
I fail to see how this is P2W. Everyone already levels at different speeds based on time invested and how they spend that time. I explore a lot so I'm going to be a lower level than the Type A guy who beelines the quest tree.
The problem with arguing with a jackass is that they never stop braying.
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Iago✭✭✭✭✭...Little jimmy isnt aware of these facts we listed above cause they cant get onto this forum. he buys the game for the console and quickly realizes that unless he buys boosters or subs he will fall behind...
'Fall behind' whom exactly? Other players? There will always be other players who catass at the computer 18 hours a day and locust the content. Hell, someone who puts in two hours a day will leave me in the dust. There is always a bigger fish in the ocean.
I fail to see how this is P2W. Everyone already levels at different speeds based on time invested and how they spend that time. I explore a lot so I'm going to be a lower level than the Type A guy who beelines the quest tree.
hey Mercutio I love the name.That which we obtain to cheap we esteem to lightly, it is dearness only that gives everything its value.
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✭✭WraithAzraiel wrote: »Craft time boosters?
Who cares?!
They're time-savers.
In the case of craft time boosters? I care. XP Boosters may or may not change the shape of the playerbase due to people buying their way to max level but the in-game economy is more than likely to be effected if people can buy their way to master crafter.
It is my opinion that crafting is too easy in this game. While I have made an acceptable amount of money thanks to my crafting efforts I am not delusional enough to suspect that the market wouldn't evaporate if everyone could permanently save themselves the trouble of finding a crafter or crafted item in Guild stores by spending a few crowns.3 -
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✭✭I don't care if people have a boost, its not really important for me what others do aslong I have access to all the content.
HOTS not an MMO has boosts too, but it doesn't hurt me in the slightest if others level faster or gain more gold than I do.2 -
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✭Wait a sec....... an XP boost is here since early acces for the one who buyed the imperial edition nobody cryed for it....... and for those like me who buyed the palomino horse is also a p2w mecanic according to your reasoning.Signature3 -
Joejudas✭✭✭✭✭Tonnopesceb16_ESO wrote: »Wait a sec....... an XP boost is here since early acces for the one who buyed the imperial edition nobody cryed for it....... and for those like me who buyed the palomino horse is also a p2w mecanic according to your reasoning.
Buying a horse to ride around and buying a Exp booster that lets you can exp at a faster rate than someone else are different. In the cp system someone with 89 cp and someone with 90 are on vastly different power levels.2 -
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✭Sorry but at this point i've just answered you into another thread so i'm not telling again or Zoz will cancel all the posts that i've done for trolling.
Btw exp faster = cp points gain faster so evryone that have the rings of mara will have 10 more ch points than you evry 100.... WOW a BIG gap............
I'm not going to cry for this.Signature0 -
WolfingHour✭✭✭✭Tonnopesceb16_ESO wrote: »Wait a sec....... an XP boost is here since early acces for the one who buyed the imperial edition nobody cryed for it....... and for those like me who buyed the palomino horse is also a p2w mecanic according to your reasoning.
Buying a horse to ride around and buying a Exp booster that lets you can exp at a faster rate than someone else are different. In the cp system someone with 89 cp and someone with 90 are on vastly different power levels.
That extra 1% of something (assuming that extra point is invested in a new star) will probably affect a stat with a order of magnitude in the thousands.
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✭✭✭✭Tonnopesceb16_ESO wrote: »Wait a sec....... an XP boost is here since early acces for the one who buyed the imperial edition nobody cryed for it....... and for those like me who buyed the palomino horse is also a p2w mecanic according to your reasoning.
Nobody complained about it?
You must not have been around when the game launched...
Also, what if I told you that you could buy Champion Points? That'd be P2W, right?
Well, XP is the same thing. Since XP gain directly equates to CP gain, it means that if you grind 110 Champion Points with 10% XP boost, you're essentially "buying" 10 Champion Points.
Even without this, what makes the time of these credit card warriors more important than mine? Why should they spend less effort to achieve things than I do? The whole notion of others having advantages they haven't earned cheapens my experience4 -
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✭Tonnopesceb16_ESO wrote: »Wait a sec....... an XP boost is here since early acces for the one who buyed the imperial edition nobody cryed for it....... and for those like me who buyed the palomino horse is also a p2w mecanic according to your reasoning.
Nobody complained about it?
You must not have been around when the game launched...
Also, what if I told you that you could buy Champion Points? That'd be P2W, right?
Well, XP is the same thing. Since XP gain directly equates to CP gain, it means that if you grind 110 Champion Points with 10% XP boost, you're essentially "buying" 10 Champion Points.
Even without this, what makes the time of these credit card warriors more important than mine? Why should they spend less effort to achieve things than I do? The whole notion of others having advantages they haven't earned cheapens my experience
Here since january...... of 2014....
The number of Crybabyes is tree times now.
IF THE WALES WANT TO HAVE 10 CP MORE THAN ME THIS DOES NOT MEAN THAT THEY WILL BECOME BETTER.
NOW i'm leaving this thread quoting myself....Tonnopesceb16_ESO wrote: »
I'm not going to cry for this.
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Joejudas✭✭✭✭✭Tonnopesceb16_ESO wrote: »Tonnopesceb16_ESO wrote: »Wait a sec....... an XP boost is here since early acces for the one who buyed the imperial edition nobody cryed for it....... and for those like me who buyed the palomino horse is also a p2w mecanic according to your reasoning.
Nobody complained about it?
You must not have been around when the game launched...
Also, what if I told you that you could buy Champion Points? That'd be P2W, right?
Well, XP is the same thing. Since XP gain directly equates to CP gain, it means that if you grind 110 Champion Points with 10% XP boost, you're essentially "buying" 10 Champion Points.
Even without this, what makes the time of these credit card warriors more important than mine? Why should they spend less effort to achieve things than I do? The whole notion of others having advantages they haven't earned cheapens my experience
Here since january...... of 2014....
The number of Crybabyes is tree times now.
IF THE WALES WANT TO HAVE 10 CP MORE THAN ME THIS DOES NOT MEAN THAT THEY WILL BECOME BETTER.
NOW i'm leaving this thread quoting myself....Tonnopesceb16_ESO wrote: »
I'm not going to cry for this.
Actually that 10 cp will land them more health Stam and magic, also the difference between 80 and 90 is plus 12 percent spell and weapon crit. So you are wrongEdited by Joejudas on February 7, 2015 11:06AM3 -
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✭✭✭✭Tonnopesceb16_ESO wrote: »IF THE WALES WANT TO HAVE 10 CP MORE THAN ME THIS DOES NOT MEAN THAT THEY WILL BECOME BETTER.
I suggest you go over the Champion System once more & see how it works.
10 more Champion Points than you quite literally means that the person becomes better than you.
...Unless you're one of these credit card warriors who wants to gain advantages with $$?1 -
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✭Tonnopesceb16_ESO wrote: »IF THE WALES WANT TO HAVE 10 CP MORE THAN ME THIS DOES NOT MEAN THAT THEY WILL BECOME BETTER.
I suggest you go over the Champion System once more & see how it works.
10 more Champion Points than you quite literally means that the person becomes better than you.
...Unless you're one of these credit card warriors who wants to gain advantages with $$?
I'm back!!!
Actually Decimus i've done 3-4 dungeons run with you and to archive your level they have to spend a looooot of money ( even my level is quite hig i remember a vet spindel run cleared with you in 12 minutes if not less) and with this money they will give to ZOS the possibility to push more content for us not wales.
At least this is my hope.
Edited by Tonnopesce on February 7, 2015 11:28AMSignature1 -
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✭✭✭✭Tonnopesceb16_ESO wrote: »Tonnopesceb16_ESO wrote: »IF THE WALES WANT TO HAVE 10 CP MORE THAN ME THIS DOES NOT MEAN THAT THEY WILL BECOME BETTER.
I suggest you go over the Champion System once more & see how it works.
10 more Champion Points than you quite literally means that the person becomes better than you.
...Unless you're one of these credit card warriors who wants to gain advantages with $$?
I'm back!!!
Actually Decimus i've done 3-4 dungeons run with you and to archive your level they have to spend a looooot of money ( even my level is quite hig i remember a vet spindel run cleared with you in 12 minutes if not less) and with this money they will give to ZOS the possibility to push more content for us not wales.
At least this is my hope.
Problem is, while these boosters may very well be used by people with less time on their hands to help close the gap, they will also be used by the skilled people with a lot of time (and money) on their hands in order to become better than everyone else without that money.
That's just how it works in most F2P/B2P MMOs, and CP being related to XP gain, I can see some horror scenarios already...
They've also stated XP boosts willl be stackable, so someone with ESO Plus, Rings of Mara & XP Boosters (if those get added) will be gaining CPs a lot faster than you.4 -
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✭I won't buy experience boosters myself unless maybe I'm on my 6th or 7th alt and just want to get through something but everybody levels at a different rate anyway so what's the point really what's the difference I mean why do I care if someone was faster than me they're going to anyway most of the time0 -
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✭Tonnopesceb16_ESO wrote: »Tonnopesceb16_ESO wrote: »IF THE WALES WANT TO HAVE 10 CP MORE THAN ME THIS DOES NOT MEAN THAT THEY WILL BECOME BETTER.
I suggest you go over the Champion System once more & see how it works.
10 more Champion Points than you quite literally means that the person becomes better than you.
...Unless you're one of these credit card warriors who wants to gain advantages with $$?
I'm back!!!
Actually Decimus i've done 3-4 dungeons run with you and to archive your level they have to spend a looooot of money ( even my level is quite hig i remember a vet spindel run cleared with you in 12 minutes if not less) and with this money they will give to ZOS the possibility to push more content for us not wales.
At least this is my hope.
Problem is, while these boosters may very well be used by people with less time on their hands to help close the gap, they will also be used by the skilled people with a lot of time (and money) on their hands in order to become better than everyone else without that money.
That's just how it works in most F2P/B2P MMOs, and CP being related to XP gain, I can see some horror scenarios already...
They've also stated XP boosts willl be stackable, so someone with ESO Plus, Rings of Mara & XP Boosters (if those get added) will be gaining CPs a lot faster than you.
Maybe is because this is actually the first MMO that i play for more than two monts , maybe is because i really dont notice the cash shops in the games ( in ff14 i've learned that it was a cash shop like 1 month ago and i've leaved the game in june of 2014).
maybe is because i think that a game policy that allow most of the people to HAVE FUN playng for free while get money from a 10 % of the population can actually works.......
Dont get me wrong i've enjoied a LOT the sub based game has it is now, evryone got to put real effort to gain what they want it is well balanced and i like it this way BUT in any case i remember those people rushing to vet 14, those people having the full Dwemer undaunted set after only 3-4 days of the release....
This kind of people will be the one buyng the XP booster not the 90% of the game population there is a huge gap even now between players ( i've reached my first vet 14 in september and a week ago i've finished finally my tank set with a full footman with rings and the Wayrest boss set heavy) in any case i cannot play a lot and i dont complain about people stronger than me.
I personally enjoy to take my time to become the best in something and now i'm probably one of the best 100 dk tanks of DC.
In my POV i dont care if one become Stronger than me thanks of the money.
I will become Better than Him with my effort and i will be much more happy about it.Edited by Tonnopesce on February 7, 2015 12:01PMSignature2
