Morathras wrote: »

gl trying to clear AA in 8 min. we have tested AA on pts and it was really hard... and yes, our guild has cleared SO on live server, so we are no noobs

With the change to how the Leaderboard is ranked we won't know anymore how fast Trials are cleared, only how many points earned. In order to earn the most points a group has to not only have the fewest deaths but also kill the most enemies (yes even all trash) and any/all HM's in said Trial in the fastest time. This is the way it should've always been. This is also why you aren't seeing sub 8min clears of AA/HR on PTS, but I know for a fact that even killing all Trash groups can still clear both in under 15min without HM Mage/Warrior, even with HM for a good group.

ZoS has no reason to nerf AA/HR at this time (including PTS). SO is meant to be kind of like Tier 2 and that's the reason it's vastly more difficult. That's a good thing and hopefully ZoS keeps it that way. If anything, the changes for 1.6 have made AA/HR an actual challenge. Considering that right now on Live you can take 2-3 Players who have never stepped foot into either for a "training" run and still end up with a sub 13min time (good enough most weeks to land on the Leaderboard), the change is positive.

BTW, have you seen all the crying about Vet dungeons on PTS. My Guild has completed several of them with no issues on PTS, just like we do on Live. But there will always be the super casuals that want everything nerfed to their level and so far ZoS has only caved on the VR Zone difficulty and the original Vet Dungeon nerf about 2 months in. The original Vet Dungeon nerf was needed if I'm being honest.

They weren't nerfed, we where. We finished AA today first try, just gotta use the tactics we used when the content came out as if we experienced a rollback...

Morathras wrote: »

Please dont do it. the trials are really hard now and i like that.
they have been too easy for months! finally you have to be good to finish it.
so thank you ZOS for making trials difficult

(i am german, my english is bad so f*** you grammar-nazis :P)

Edit: i am talking about 1.6.1 trials

So you're happy that content is left in the state it's in when guild of players far more skilled than you (Hodor and others) are saying, right now, it's unclearable.

Really?

DeLindsay wrote: »

fromtesonlineb16_ESO wrote: »

So you're happy that content is left in the state it's in when guild of players far more skilled than you (Hodor and others) are saying, right now, it's unclearable.

It's unclearable?

TehMagnus wrote: »

They weren't nerfed, we where. We finished AA today first try, just gotta use the tactics we used when the content came out as if we experienced a rollback...

AA and HRC are easily clearable, we went there with 2 templars yesterday, downed AA on first try and could have cleared HRC if we had tried again (the hit box of the Warrior's cleave is either bugged or latency was killing us because we died many times while being miles away from the red lines).

Sanctum can probably also be cleared if trash is manageable but we haven't tried yet.

Bare in mind that most of us managed to get 140 CP to do this testing and that the guys who only got 70 got quickly frustrated because of the gap in damage effectiveness.

The way I see it, on a "strenght level" the ultimates nerf brought us back to what we where back when Craglorn was released at first. What popularized AA and HRC quickly was the fact we found ways to negate most of the tactics that have to be used by ultimate spamming which is no longer possible, area damage abilities and charges do much more damage than before

What saddens me though is that it really feels like a rollback. At first we will have to use a bit of tactics and after a while as we evolve our characters/build/knowledge, we will, once again, be able to negate everything and just steamroll through everything.

I haven't gotten my head around the synergies yet, studying what does what/when and how to use this to optimize our gameplay. I had a lot of hope for that system as a replacement for ult regen but seeing what I've seen, trials are just the same with our ults getting totally nerfed.

Oh and magicka management is soooo easy now, spell symmetry is almost never needed, the Mage fight is harder now because some mechanics impede us from just stacking & dpsing but on the bright side, the enrage phase is as easy as now since it only happens after 20%.

fromtesonlineb16_ESO wrote: »

DeLindsay wrote: »

fromtesonlineb16_ESO wrote: »

So you're happy that content is left in the state it's in when guild of players far more skilled than you (Hodor and others) are saying, right now, it's unclearable.

It's unclearable?

If a raid wipes as the second boss of AA (Hodor) then yes, it's unclearable. There's also a large thred on the PTS forum from another top guild with far more details about another failure at a second boss (SO I think).

Don't know how to tell you it is easily clearable. Do I need to express myself in an other language?

If anything it's the changes to Negate and chains that need to be reversed and not the trials that need to be nerfed on the contrary they could be made even harder 8)

This thread is wrong.

Trials (and really, all vet dungeons) have to be nerfed very hard in 1.6x, because they are !@#$%^&* impossible for most players.

Content which only 2% of players can complete = wasted development $.