Paul Sage confirms ESO ending Loyalty Program after 9-month reward

Bouvin · February 2015

So I'm watching the Quest Gaming on Twitch, and Paul Sage just said they are ending the ESO loyaly program after the 9 month reward.

Wow. Way to show you day 1 players how much you appreciate them by ending it as soon as B2P hits.

WraithAzraiel · February 2015

Seriously?

WTF ZOS

Berinima · February 2015

Muahahaha! Well played, ZOS...

TheLaw · February 2015

Sounds like Paul Sage is ready to jump ship.

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO · February 2015

C'mon you knew it was gonna happen...

Why give it out for free..When you can put it into the cash shop....

Ourorboros · February 2015

Fine by me. The rewards so far, pets, have been less than stellar. They are cute at best, and annoying clutter in banks at worst. Now, it'd be a different story if rewards were not just fluff.

Jice · February 2015

So? Why does this generation want a pat on the back for everything?

"Wow I subscribed to something for a whole 9 months! I deserve free things!"

Netflix never sent me an in-game pet and I've been subscribed to them for years, and even if they did, other Netflix users wouldn't be telling me to put it away all the time in every group I'm in cause they seem to think they take away heals or some erroneous thing.

Kevinmon · February 2015

Well duh that's because there's no more sub, you dummy.

Seriously people? This isn't even worthy of a thread. *facepalm*

WraithAzraiel · February 2015

Jice wrote: »

So? Why does this generation want a pat on the back for everything?

"Wow I subscribed to something for a whole 9 months! I deserve free things!"

Netflix never sent me an in-game pet and I've been subscribed to them for years, and even if they did, other Netflix users wouldn't be telling me to put it away all the time in every group I'm in cause they seem to think they take away heals or some erroneous thing.

A little something to say, "Hey thanks for putting up for our trips and stumbles."

Veteran Rewards, as they're called in other games, aren't uncommon. They're a way for them to thank us for keeping the faith and staying the course.

UrQuan · February 2015

Kevinmon wrote: »

Well duh that's because there's no more sub, you dummy.

Um, yeah there is.

Jice · February 2015

WraithAzraiel wrote: »

A little something to say, "Hey thanks for putting up for our trips and stumbles."

Veteran Rewards, as they're called in other games, aren't uncommon. They're a way for them to thank us for keeping the faith and staying the course.

Faith? Course? I payed them so I could play the game they were selling. That in no way entitles me to free stuff. I get why the company does it, what I'm not getting is the outrage that they aren't going to be anymore. Club Nintendo is about to disappear too..DAMN YOU ESO! NOTHER FAIL! YOU PROMISED! etc..

timidobserver · February 2015

The decision is actually pretty nice from a rare item standpoint. Assuming they don't go in the store, the pets we got will be locked in for us.

david271749 · February 2015

Jice wrote: »

WraithAzraiel wrote: »

A little something to say, "Hey thanks for putting up for our trips and stumbles."

Veteran Rewards, as they're called in other games, aren't uncommon. They're a way for them to thank us for keeping the faith and staying the course.

Faith? Course? I payed them so I could play the game they were selling. That in no way entitles me to free stuff. I get why the company does it, what I'm not getting is the outrage that they aren't going to be anymore. Club Nintendo is about to disappear too..DAMN YOU ESO! NOTHER FAIL! YOU PROMISED! etc..

@Jice‌
Club Nintendo will be replaced by another reward system. They do that every so often. There was one before club nintendo, and there will be one after.

Theosis · February 2015

Unless we get bag slots or motifs or dyes we can get no other way I don't really care that much.

WraithAzraiel · February 2015

Jice wrote: »

WraithAzraiel wrote: »

A little something to say, "Hey thanks for putting up for our trips and stumbles."

Veteran Rewards, as they're called in other games, aren't uncommon. They're a way for them to thank us for keeping the faith and staying the course.

Faith? Course? I payed them so I could play the game they were selling. That in no way entitles me to free stuff. I get why the company does it, what I'm not getting is the outrage that they aren't going to be anymore. Club Nintendo is about to disappear too..DAMN YOU ESO! NOTHER FAIL! YOU PROMISED! etc..

It's not a sense of entitlement, it's a biological response. Something pleasant is taken away, a negative sensation is usually paid toward the force doing the removal.

Science.

Take that! With your high horse!

/micdrop

EQBallzz · February 2015

I think ESO going B2P gives a clear indication of what they have in mind for loyalty "rewards". Your loyalty rewards henceforth will be found for 4.99 in the cash shop..no loyalty required.

Psychobunni · February 2015

Ourorboros wrote: »

Fine by me. The rewards so far, pets, have been less than stellar. They are cute at best, and annoying clutter in banks at worst. Now, it'd be a different story if rewards were not just fluff.

^^This. I haven't pulled a single one from the mailbox. BANK SPACE would be a nice loyalty prize. Some insider info on the next non- cheesy, non-spacy, non-cartoony mmo would be even better

NewBlacksmurf · February 2015

Psychobunni wrote: »

Ourorboros wrote: »

Fine by me. The rewards so far, pets, have been less than stellar. They are cute at best, and annoying clutter in banks at worst. Now, it'd be a different story if rewards were not just fluff.

^^This. I haven't pulled a single one from the mailbox. BANK SPACE would be a nice loyalty prize. Some insider info on the next non- cheesy, non-spacy, non-cartoony mmo would be even better

Lol...bank space would be a nice gift. 30 slots per character for the life of the account.

Alphashado · February 2015

EQBallzz wrote: »

I think ESO going B2P gives a clear indication of what they have in mind for loyalty "rewards". Your loyalty rewards henceforth will be found for 4.99 in the cash shop..no loyalty required.

That about sums it up. Plus Paul Sage was also asked during this twich stream his opinion on why the game switched to B2P. He himmed and hawed, beat around the bush for a few moments (clearly uncomfortable) and once again fell back on "it was what the community wanted".

So ZoS's idea of community sure as heck isn't this forum or any of the people that were happily paying a subscription. Doesn't surprise me a bit that they are removing the loyalty rewards. Because the only "community" ZoS seems to care about is the community that was demanding to play ESO for free.

He went on to suggest that they read the forums and understand how unhappy many people are, but he seems to think everyone is appeased by this option because if you want a sub, you can still have one. I don't think he/they understand that the reason we were happy to pay a sub was because we wanted nothing to do with a cash shop or changes to the game that always follow.

Gidorick · February 2015

I've suspected as much... good to have it confirmed.

Gidorick · February 2015

Alphashado wrote: »

EQBallzz wrote: »

I think ESO going B2P gives a clear indication of what they have in mind for loyalty "rewards". Your loyalty rewards henceforth will be found for 4.99 in the cash shop..no loyalty required.

That about sums it up. Plus Paul Sage was also asked during this twich stream his opinion on why the game switched to B2P. He himmed and hawed, beat around the bush for a few moments (clearly uncomfortable) and once again fell back on "it was what the community wanted".

So ZoS's idea of community sure as heck isn't this forum or any of the people that were happily paying a subscription. Doesn't surprise me a bit that they are removing the loyalty rewards. Because the only "community" ZoS seems to care about is the community that was demanding to play ESO for free.

Community = those who didn't pay one red cent for ESO and whined and moaned on Reddit, Facebook, and Twitter.

WraithAzraiel · February 2015

Alphashado wrote: »

EQBallzz wrote: »

I think ESO going B2P gives a clear indication of what they have in mind for loyalty "rewards". Your loyalty rewards henceforth will be found for 4.99 in the cash shop..no loyalty required.

That about sums it up. Plus Paul Sage was also asked during this twich stream his opinion on why the game switched to B2P. He himmed and hawed, beat around the bush for a few moments (clearly uncomfortable) and once again fell back on "it was what the community wanted".

So ZoS's idea of community sure as heck isn't this forum or any of the people that were happily paying a subscription. Doesn't surprise me a bit that they are removing the loyalty rewards. Because the only "community" ZoS seems to care about is the community that was demanding to play ESO for free.

He just said it's what the "community" wanted. He didn't say it was this community that wanted it.

For all we know it could be a community somewhere in Russia, or Timbuktu.

Ourorboros · February 2015

That about sums it up. Plus Paul Sage was also asked during this twich stream his opinion on why the game switched to B2P. He himmed and hawed, beat around the bush for a few moments (clearly uncomfortable) and once again fell back on "it was what the community wanted".

Hmm.....community is the new code word for 'investors'?

EQBallzz · February 2015

Maybe community is the new code word for suit wearing puppeteers pulling the strings and opening/closing the mouths of people like paul sage and matt firor?

Jice · February 2015

david271749 wrote: »

@Jice‌
Club Nintendo will be replaced by another reward system. They do that every so often. There was one before club nintendo, and there will be one after.

You missed the Sarcasm.

WraithAzraiel wrote: »

It's not a sense of entitlement, it's a biological response. Something pleasant is taken away, a negative sensation is usually paid toward the force doing the removal.

Science.

Take that! With your high horse!

/micdrop

Science, I don't think that word means what you think it means.

You've put forth your hypotheses, now point me to the experiments that support it?

Milgram has done numerous experiments on human behavior and many of the results are actually surprising. I point you to experiment #2 in which he tested how mad people actually get when people cut into a line/queue barge: http://www.spring.org.uk/2012/03/how-society-works-8-revealing-psychological-insights-into-our-social-behaviour.php

My high horse? You just assumed name dropping 'Science' won you an argument before hearing any rebuttal.

Rebuttal:

Entitlement - Noun
The belief that one is inherently deserving of privileges or special treatment.

Biological or not, to continue to believe that you deserve new free things is Entitlement, the rewards you have gained are not being taken away, thus your example doesn't even relate to the situation because nothing is being removed.

Also, unless you've payed for that mic, you probably shouldn't be dropping it, really nice mic's are upwards of $120 to $300. Would you be ok if someone dropped your phone like that, just because they think they made an argument that can't be rebutted?

Alphashado · February 2015

EQBallzz wrote: »

Maybe community is the new code word for suit wearing puppeteers pulling the strings and opening/closing the mouths of people like paul sage and matt firor?

"Community":

Funkopotamus · February 2015

Alphashado wrote: »

EQBallzz wrote: »

I think ESO going B2P gives a clear indication of what they have in mind for loyalty "rewards". Your loyalty rewards henceforth will be found for 4.99 in the cash shop..no loyalty required.

That about sums it up. Plus Paul Sage was also asked during this twich stream his opinion on why the game switched to B2P. He himmed and hawed, beat around the bush for a few moments (clearly uncomfortable) and once again fell back on "it was what the community wanted".

So ZoS's idea of community sure as heck isn't this forum or any of the people that were happily paying a subscription. Doesn't surprise me a bit that they are removing the loyalty rewards. Because the only "community" ZoS seems to care about is the community that was demanding to play ESO for free.

He went on to suggest that they read the forums and understand how unhappy many people are, but he seems to think everyone is appeased by this option because if you want a sub, you can still have one. I don't think he/they understand that the reason we were happy to pay a sub was because we wanted nothing to do with a cash shop or changes to the game that always follow.

Wish I was there... I would have asked him if the fact that 4 developers leaving on their own accord had anything to do with the BTP announcement.

" Because the only "community" ZoS seems to care about is the community that was demanding to play ESO for free"

^^Dat truth!

Teiji · February 2015

No idea how I feel about this.

What about the Ayelid ruins in Cyrodiil? Why can't we enter them? Where is pet Banekin? Where is season-gear, gear chase?

Why do they keep showing Ebonheart Pact "season gear" pvp gear?

As seen here below in the centre, was also shown in the last ESO live episode [when they showed Mephala's realm and glass armor, but they've not shown AD nor DC's pvp-season gear];

Alphashado · February 2015

Funkopotamus wrote: »

Alphashado wrote: »

EQBallzz wrote: »

I think ESO going B2P gives a clear indication of what they have in mind for loyalty "rewards". Your loyalty rewards henceforth will be found for 4.99 in the cash shop..no loyalty required.

That about sums it up. Plus Paul Sage was also asked during this twich stream his opinion on why the game switched to B2P. He himmed and hawed, beat around the bush for a few moments (clearly uncomfortable) and once again fell back on "it was what the community wanted".

So ZoS's idea of community sure as heck isn't this forum or any of the people that were happily paying a subscription. Doesn't surprise me a bit that they are removing the loyalty rewards. Because the only "community" ZoS seems to care about is the community that was demanding to play ESO for free.

He went on to suggest that they read the forums and understand how unhappy many people are, but he seems to think everyone is appeased by this option because if you want a sub, you can still have one. I don't think he/they understand that the reason we were happy to pay a sub was because we wanted nothing to do with a cash shop or changes to the game that always follow.

Wish I was there... I would have asked him if the fact that 4 developers leaving on their own accord had anything to do with the BTP announcement.

" Because the only "community" ZoS seems to care about is the community that was demanding to play ESO for free"

^^Dat truth!

I did ask him a question. I asked him this exactly: "Way to beat around the bush Paul. Please tell us EXACTLY what community you were listening to"

The hosts never presented him with that question, nor did I expect them to. It wasn't a very polite question, but it was frustrating hearing him give that answer again when he had every opportunity to be more clear and concise.

However I did get a response in the chat room that I found interesting. It said: And I paraphrase: "The elder scrolls community. After all remember that none of the other ES games charged a sub".

I wanted to respond to that ridiculous comment by making the obvious statement that none of those other games where an MMO. But I remained silent. It wasn't the time or place to debate.

newtinmpls · February 2015

It did seem inevitable. Prior ES games have had a good relationship with the community - because it's been the modding community. They've taken ideas, modled DLC, and basically had a synergistic relationship with them.

The subscriber community is basically "I pay you, so gimme more and fix everything NOW" so I can see where there isn't going to be such a nice relationship.

Ourorboros · February 2015

A suggestion for anniversary reward, for the ZO$ 'community'