When the games goes B2P, will there be a subs only section for people who actually support the game?

firstdecan · February 2015

Title is the question.

While I don't believe the B2P crowd should be excluded from most portions of the game, will there be a "VIP room" for those who actively contribute \ sub to the game?

Edit - changed F2P to B2P.

AshySamurai · February 2015

Nope. You still can sub, but I don't think you get separate instance with sub-only players.

AlnilamE · February 2015

You are making the assumption that those of us who sub will be spending more money on the game than those who don't.

I'm sure that will be true for some, but not for others. But no, everybody will be playing the same game. You can always go to the DLC areas if you'd like.

Elsonso · February 2015

Nope.

However, you will see the pets and mounts of those who support the store.

Nijjion · February 2015

What about people who buy crowns from the cash shop, what would you say how long should they get access to who supports the game?

IMO people who buy the game already support it, so no different before or after changes really.

Rosveen · February 2015

So buying the DLC isn't supporting the game...?

I say let's give them a separate room just so the rest of us doesn't have to listen to their elitist drivel anymore.

Elsonso · February 2015

Nijjion wrote: »

What about people who buy crowns from the cash shop, what would you say how long should they get access to who supports the game?

IMO people who buy the game already support it, so no different before or after changes really.

People who support the cash store will be easy to spot due to the pets, mounts, and costumes.

My first comment was loaded with the implied assertion that if ZOS wanted to encourage ESO Plus, there would be some in game way to tell that people would be willing to pay monthly to get and maintain.

I will wager against any such visible perk.

AlnilamE · February 2015

I plan on staying subscribed, and I don't need any other player to be able to see that.

Dreamo84 · February 2015

Elitist much? Are you worried non-subscribers will make the game too low class for your liking?

Shadesofkin · February 2015

You'll have about a month, month and a half to hang out in the Veteran Zones before you're dealing with anyone from the Buy To Play crowd, just hang out there.

Edited: Other than anyone who came back that has a Vet character that is, also...I doubt there will be any sort of separation.

Soulshine · February 2015

Dreamo84 wrote: »

Elitist much? Are you worried non-subscribers will make the game too low class for your liking?

I don' think it is a very realistic expectation, but I don't find the question that far out there either. If you think about it, there will be many areas of the game in the future which people who do not sub or who do not buy the DLCs (if they are not subbing) will NOT have access to, so they will be by definition already excluded from available content areas as time goes on - assuming they actually give us any new content zones but that is another topic.... - so from a sales standpoint, I can easily see why someone would ask this. Such a zone on the game could be considered a revenue incentive above and beyond the gates the game will already have.

Morshire · February 2015

Dreamo84 wrote: »

Elitist much? Are you worried non-subscribers will make the game too low class for your liking?

Well maybe not this exactly, but more what the response will be from ZOS on how they leech out those $$$ from said "non-subbers". I am sure they are great, most peachy bunch of gamers in the world and my life will be all the better for having them here.....however, ZOS is not going to let everyone "choose" to play this game without $$$. So they have to figure out how to wring it out of clutched fists, and they will. And that is the "low class" your statement makes me think of.

Nijjion wrote: »

What about people who buy crowns from the cash shop, what would you say how long should they get access to who supports the game?

IMO people who buy the game already support it, so no different before or after changes really.

And to this, yeah we would all, by this "definition" support the game. However, I am hoping the OP wasn't being extremely "elitist", but meant more those that have supported, versus the new "supporters". If not, then I'll go with being an "elitist", it just sounds cooler.

Cause buying from the cash store, IMO.....ahh forget it. I am just an "elitist" jerk anyway.

firstdecan · February 2015

Dreamo84 wrote: »

Elitist much? Are you worried non-subscribers will make the game too low class for your liking?

Only a bit. There will be a lot more bots and griefers without the sub, just wondering if there will be a spot to get away from that. I don't expect it to have any game advantage, just the opportunity to be removed from the element free play brings.

Kalman · February 2015

Sure why not. I don't have an issue with people paying for sub having a place to put down all the freeloaders.

Xjcon · February 2015

If you subscribe to a magazine does that mean you should get some special room to read it in since you supported that magazine? They already stated that you get bonuses for being subscribed.

Slurg · February 2015

Honestly, the game is sub only right now and some of the current subscribers are unpleasant to have to share space with. Will continuing their subs after March 17 magically turn them into saints?

Then there are a whole bunch of perfectly nice people currently here who see no reason to keep subscribing after March 17 since there's no DLC out yet and they aren't interested in the crown store. Are you saying these people are going to turn into trash overnight and you need to distance yourself from them?

This is silly really. There will be lots of new and returning players and some will play nice and others will be trolls. But paying a subscription fee or not isn't really a good indicator of what kind of person you are.

Der_Deutsche_Hase · February 2015

firstdecan wrote: »

Title is the question.

While I don't believe the B2P crowd should be excluded from most portions of the game, will there be a "VIP room" for those who actively contribute \ sub to the game?

Edit - changed F2P to B2P.

Would be awesome to have something like Runescapes Membership parts, where F2P can't acess unless they pay for a membership.

What is the whole point in subing if you don't get extra access to stuff in game? I hear that subs will only get free DLC, but nothing more.

Maybe when the Imperial City is finished, they can make that a Subs only area. We need something more then free DLC if we are to continue paying.

Kalman · February 2015

Xjcon wrote: »

If you subscribe to a magazine does that mean you should get some special room to read it in since you supported that magazine? They already stated that you get bonuses for being subscribed.

No but if you a Gold/Platinum member of an Airline you do.

firstdecan · February 2015

Xjcon wrote: »

If you subscribe to a magazine does that mean you should get some special room to read it in since you supported that magazine? They already stated that you get bonuses for being subscribed.

My subscription to magazines provides content not available to people who don't subscribe. There's a reason people pay for The Economist while most other publications can't give their content away.

This is what I'm asking. Is there content for subbers, or is the only advantage a 10% XP boost in an advancement system that has no end?

Der_Deutsche_Hase · February 2015

firstdecan wrote: »

Xjcon wrote: »

If you subscribe to a magazine does that mean you should get some special room to read it in since you supported that magazine? They already stated that you get bonuses for being subscribed.

My subscription to magazines provides content not available to people who don't subscribe. There's a reason people pay for The Economist while most other publications can't give their content away.

This is what I'm asking. Is there content for subbers, or is the only advantage a 10% XP boost in an advancement system that has no end?

Exactly, for example if you subscribe to Game informer you get a pretty nice discount on all merchandise at Gamestop, plus you get the magazines for 12 months.

For ESO, the only thing I heard was you'd get all DLC for free.

Kalman · February 2015

Der_Deutsche_Hase wrote: »

For ESO, the only thing I heard was you'd get all DLC for free.

Not so, you get to USE it while you are subbed but you don't get the DLC for free. You basically rent it.

Soulshine · February 2015

firstdecan wrote: »

Xjcon wrote: »

If you subscribe to a magazine does that mean you should get some special room to read it in since you supported that magazine? They already stated that you get bonuses for being subscribed.

My subscription to magazines provides content not available to people who don't subscribe. There's a reason people pay for The Economist while most other publications can't give their content away.

This is what I'm asking. Is there content for subbers, or is the only advantage a 10% XP boost in an advancement system that has no end?

The sub is not just for the 10% boost. You will have as a subber access to all content now in the game and any new DLCs added later to the game. If people who do not sub don't buy the new DLCs, they will not see that content and you won't see those players, so obviously there is a pay gate to separate some amount of people from different areas in the game already.

Your idea is interesting but to expect ZoS to create zones which are ONLY for subbed players to the exclusion of anyone else even if they are willing to pay for access to a given area, would be a use of dev time and resources which they would not realistically ever undertake unless they had substantial reason to believe said investment would pan out as a significant incentive to increase sub sales. I seriously doubt that will happen.

As is, even if they did you would not have any guarantee that the people subbed and accessing those areas are going to be any different than non subbed players as @Slurg rightly points out. This is an MMO after all, not a magazine sub we are talking about.

LuxLunae · February 2015

Kind of yes... its called DLC you will only be able to get into it if you are subbed or you bought the DLC.

Elsonso · February 2015

Xjcon wrote: »

If you subscribe to a magazine does that mean you should get some special room to read it in since you supported that magazine? They already stated that you get bonuses for being subscribed.

Magazines are a poor analog. Annual magazine subscriptions tend to be less cost than the equivalent single issue cost.

ESOTU is going to be priced such that the annual payment will be $180 and I suspect that this will be much larger than the equivalent cost of the DLC during the same year, and I don't get to keep the DLC if I stop paying.

Kalman wrote: »

Der_Deutsche_Hase wrote: »

For ESO, the only thing I heard was you'd get all DLC for free.

Not so, you get to USE it while you are subbed but you don't get the DLC for free. You basically rent it.

This is why I don't think that ZeniBeth will get many people to actually subscribe to ESO Plus. You will get the dedicated fans who cannot possibly imagine life without ESO, but there is really not a compelling economic reason to subscribe.

From what has been presented, so far, there is more reason to buy ESOTU a la carte. It may very well be the cheaper option, with no loss of game play. The only thing you lose by skipping the subscription are the 10% boosters and 1500 Crowns per month.

I don't think there should be a VIP room or area in the game for subscribers, but I do think that the subscriber perks need to be built up and should also provide a visual indication in the game that the player is a subscriber. The visual indicator would raise awareness of subscriptions without obligating people to do it.

The obvious idea for a visual indicator would be a specific pet or mount. In this way the player could flaunt it, or not, as they please. A subscriber pet or mount that is unique, even to the point that re-textures are never sold in the Store, would only be available to the player for the duration of the subscription. They could change in appearance (more elaborate textures) as the player's total subscription time increased.

I would be happy to suggest the Hunger as a pet, a minion of Boethiah, who is a sworn enemy of Molag Bal. Fitting for the game, and something that would stand out among the other pets.

There was talk of a subscriber loyalty mount. Obviously, a subscriber mount could replace the subscriber loyalty mount and be a perk for subscribing in the past, and future. This could include special textures to differentiate different subscriber levels and loyalty.

firstdecan · February 2015

Soulshine wrote: »

firstdecan wrote: »

Xjcon wrote: »

If you subscribe to a magazine does that mean you should get some special room to read it in since you supported that magazine? They already stated that you get bonuses for being subscribed.

My subscription to magazines provides content not available to people who don't subscribe. There's a reason people pay for The Economist while most other publications can't give their content away.

This is what I'm asking. Is there content for subbers, or is the only advantage a 10% XP boost in an advancement system that has no end?

The sub is not just for the 10% boost. You will have as a subber access to all content now in the game and any new DLCs added later to the game. If people who do not sub don't buy the new DLCs, they will not see that content and you won't see those players, so obviously there is a pay gate to separate some amount of people from different areas in the game already.

Your idea is interesting but to expect ZoS to create zones which are ONLY for subbed players to the exclusion of anyone else even if they are willing to pay for access to a given area, would be a use of dev time and resources which they would not realistically ever undertake unless they had substantial reason to believe said investment would pan out as a significant incentive to increase sub sales. I seriously doubt that will happen.

As is, even if they did you would not have any guarantee that the people subbed and accessing those areas are going to be any different than non subbed players as @Slurg rightly points out. This is an MMO after all, not a magazine sub we are talking about.

I'm not the one who made the magazine subscription analogy, I was just pointing out the flaws in the analogy made.

I also disagree with the fact that a sub has no guarantee on the quality of player, as does most credit reporting agencies. Adults with disposable income behave differently than young adults \ kids with sporadic income. It's just a fact of life. I'm simply wondering if there is a reason to continue to sub, or if the target market no longer includes adults with disposable income. As another poster has suggested, the a la carte buying options seem to be the best "bang for the buck."

Also per other players, I never asked for another zone just for subs, I simply wondered if there will be some "other place" only accessible to subs, or people who want to financially support the game without catering to the freemium game model. It's fine if there isn't, if Zeni doesn't want my money I'll spend it on something else. $15.00 a month will get me 2, maybe 3 extra coffees.

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO · February 2015

Other games have VIP areas. Like SWTOR and STO.