Can we obtain Crowns and items in game without paying?

Valn · February 2015

Obviously this game seems to be going down the swtor route...but in swtor you can earn cartel coins (very little) through playing the game, and the stuff from the cartel market (cash shop) can be sold in game on the auction house...

will we be able to buy cash shop items from other players in game?

nerevarine1138 · February 2015

Nope. Those items become account bound. As of now, there's no crossover between the Crown Store and the guild stores (although I give it about 30 seconds before someone posts to warn you that this is "definitely" going to change).

Valn · February 2015

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

Nope. Those items become account bound. As of now, there's no crossover between the Crown Store and the guild stores (although I give it about 30 seconds before someone posts to warn you that this is "definitely" going to change).

Then ESO is going to make no money from this. The main reason people buy items from the cash shop in SWTOR is so they can sell them to other people for in game credits...

nerevarine1138 · February 2015

Valn wrote: »

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

Nope. Those items become account bound. As of now, there's no crossover between the Crown Store and the guild stores (although I give it about 30 seconds before someone posts to warn you that this is "definitely" going to change).

Then ESO is going to make no money from this. The main reason people buy items from the cash shop in SWTOR is so they can sell them to other people for in game credits...

And I think you'll find that the main reasons people buy non-DLC things from the Crown Store in ESO will be either convenience or because it looks cool (mostly the latter). They are not trying to set up a store that affects the in-game economy.

Elsonso · February 2015

I am sure that ZOS will get many requests for this. It will be interesting to see if they successfully keep course or turn into SWTOR Unlimited

Grapdjan · February 2015

As I posted in another thread, they'd be fairly shortsighted to not allow gifting and also a way for people to buy a monthly sub for gold like Everquest 2 krono system. They'd generate far more cash this way, and that is the only reason for the change, cash.

Gidorick · February 2015

The ONLY way I think this would be OK is if the quests that reward Crown are Subscriber only quests.

MornaBaine · February 2015

Grapdjan wrote: »

As I posted in another thread, they'd be fairly shortsighted to not allow gifting and also a way for people to buy a monthly sub for gold like Everquest 2 krono system. They'd generate far more cash this way, and that is the only reason for the change, cash.

I disagree with subs for gold but I've also told ZOS they need to enable gifting of items in the Crown Store. This was hugely successful for EA with the Sims franchise and they'd be fools not to do it.

KerinKor · February 2015

Valn wrote: »

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

Nope. Those items become account bound. As of now, there's no crossover between the Crown Store and the guild stores (although I give it about 30 seconds before someone posts to warn you that this is "definitely" going to change).

Then ESO is going to make no money from this. The main reason people buy items from the cash shop in SWTOR is so they can sell them to other people for in game credits...

There's more than one hybrid game like ESO is becoming.

Your experience in SWTOR may or may not be the case, in other games such as LoTRO and Rift what you say is definitely not true of them and certainly Rift's Store is very profitable by all accounts: so, arguing ESO's will fail based on what happens in SW:TOR is highly debatable.

Roechacca · February 2015

Seen this coming .

Merlin13KAGL · February 2015

Wouldn't that make it NB2P (Not B2P?)

If you're lucky, they may offer some kind of referral bonus if you get people to sub, but I wouldn't count on it.

Der_Deutsche_Hase · February 2015

Valn wrote: »

Then ESO is going to make no money from this. The main reason people buy items from the cash shop in SWTOR is so they can sell them to other people for in game credits...

Sorry, but this is not true at all. I for one am going to be using the Crown shop to be getting the Gnar mount and the Black Panther pet.

Shinozuka · February 2015

I thought about this also. In SWTOR people advertise they have such and such cartel store item and will sell for credits . I am sure the ESO devs are aware of this.
And yes they would sell more guar mounts (as an example) if people could buy with crowns then sell in chat or a guild store.

I was slightly shocked when I saw the ESO crown items would bot be resealable.

Darlgon · February 2015

Lets see you (not the OP) are proposing:

1. Real Cash to buy Crowns.
2. Crowns to buy stuff in Crown Store.
3. Stuff from Crown Store sold in Guild Stores for Gold.
4. More gold, more advantages.

Sounds to me like Gold Selling and Pay to Win. No way should gold selling even come close to this game. Or, did you LOVE the guys spamming zone chat selling gold? Do you like the idea that a person who will blow $200 and play subpar can beat you in AvA because he paid some scammer for gold/Crowns?

For the OP. If ZoS were to allow people to "earn" their crowns in-game, it would lead down this path:

1. Crowns earned in-game
2. No RL cash spent in on Crowns
3. No RL cash to development of game.
4. Game dies due to lack of funding.

This was the path Lotro went down. (and is now in its death throws.)

fromtesonlineb16_ESO · February 2015

Darlgon wrote: »

For the OP. If ZoS were to allow people to "earn" their crowns in-game, it would lead down this path:

1. Crowns earned in-game
2. No RL cash spent in on Crowns
3. No RL cash to development of game.
4. Game dies due to lack of funding.

This was the path Lotro went down. (and is now in its death throws.)

The fact LOTRO is dying, if it's the case (not been there for a bit) has little to nothing to do with this discussion, it's death will come if it does due to Turbine selling their integrity to Warner Brothers and changing the game into a Store-front.

Rift allows in-game earning of Store 'tokens' and also the selling of Store-bought credits (REX) on the AH for in-game currency (gold buying), and the game is fine with that, there's little to no P2W and subscribing still attractive: as far as I know there's no risk of it dying.

The progression you state isn't inevitably bad, the game's developer's integrity is the main factor it seems to me to be the lesson of LOTRO, Rift and SW:TOR changing from sub-based to hybrid and how the results can be viewed.

timidobserver · February 2015

Valn wrote: »

Obviously this game seems to be going down the swtor route...but in swtor you can earn cartel coins (very little) through playing the game, and the stuff from the cartel market (cash shop) can be sold in game on the auction house...

will we be able to buy cash shop items from other players in game?

Eh, SWTOR took my gear from me and made me pay to equip it. I think you even have to pay to hide your helmet. You have to pay to pvp when you want to. They took away a lot. ESO B2P is not taking away anything. It is not even similar to SWTOR.

Ltownatrain · February 2015

Valn wrote: »

Obviously this game seems to be going down the swtor route...but in swtor you can earn cartel coins (very little) through playing the game, and the stuff from the cartel market (cash shop) can be sold in game on the auction house...

will we be able to buy cash shop items from other players in game?

The thing that needs to be remembered here is that in SW:tor you can only gain cartel coins from playing the class stories and even then they are a one time thing so once you get your 20 cartel coins for finishing a chapter on a new class that's it. If I remember you can only get something like 500 cartel coins for free, which, while nice is hardly something to write home about since that won't get you much on the cartel market.

As far as selling things that are bought from the crown store I don't see what everyone's apprehension is to having cosmetic features being re-sellable. That's hardly pay to win. Sure one person might have more gold but that doesn't mean they will be a better player because of it. P2W would infer that someone could spend cash to buy the best weapon or armor in the game not buy something they can sell for gold. Personally, I would be fine if the costumes and such were resellable as long as soul gems and such were not.

Ltownatrain · February 2015

timidobserver wrote: »

Valn wrote: »

Obviously this game seems to be going down the swtor route...but in swtor you can earn cartel coins (very little) through playing the game, and the stuff from the cartel market (cash shop) can be sold in game on the auction house...

will we be able to buy cash shop items from other players in game?

Eh, SWTOR took my gear from me and made me pay to equip it. I think you even have to pay to hide your helmet. You have to pay to pvp when you want to. They took away a lot. ESO B2P is not taking away anything. It is not even similar to SWTOR.

^^^^This. If anything eso is going more the Guild Wars route by largely offering cosmetic or minor convenience items to players for crowns.

Shinozuka · February 2015

I would see no harm in things like pets, mounts, costumes being resealable. I hope one day if the store expands it includes things like emote packs and toys.

If someone buys a toy for 200 crowns and sells it to me for xyz gold the person who bought it on the crown store has more gold, I am happy, I have the neat new toy. Zos made money at some point .

woo!

TheBull · February 2015

Valn wrote: »

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

Nope. Those items become account bound. As of now, there's no crossover between the Crown Store and the guild stores (although I give it about 30 seconds before someone posts to warn you that this is "definitely" going to change).

Then ESO is going to make no money from this. The main reason people buy items from the cash shop in SWTOR is so they can sell them to other people for in game credits...

That's pay to win territory. It's just a means of buying gold.Most people do not want gold buying in ESO.

TheBull · February 2015

Ltownatrain wrote: »

timidobserver wrote: »

Valn wrote: »

Obviously this game seems to be going down the swtor route...but in swtor you can earn cartel coins (very little) through playing the game, and the stuff from the cartel market (cash shop) can be sold in game on the auction house...

will we be able to buy cash shop items from other players in game?

Eh, SWTOR took my gear from me and made me pay to equip it. I think you even have to pay to hide your helmet. You have to pay to pvp when you want to. They took away a lot. ESO B2P is not taking away anything. It is not even similar to SWTOR.

^^^^This. If anything eso is going more the Guild Wars route by largely offering cosmetic or minor convenience items to players for crowns.

Nope, GW2 sells gold though a conversion system.

TheBull · February 2015

Ltownatrain wrote: »

Valn wrote: »

Obviously this game seems to be going down the swtor route...but in swtor you can earn cartel coins (very little) through playing the game, and the stuff from the cartel market (cash shop) can be sold in game on the auction house...

will we be able to buy cash shop items from other players in game?

The thing that needs to be remembered here is that in SW:tor you can only gain cartel coins from playing the class stories and even then they are a one time thing so once you get your 20 cartel coins for finishing a chapter on a new class that's it. If I remember you can only get something like 500 cartel coins for free, which, while nice is hardly something to write home about since that won't get you much on the cartel market.

As far as selling things that are bought from the crown store I don't see what everyone's apprehension is to having cosmetic features being re-sellable. That's hardly pay to win. Sure one person might have more gold but that doesn't mean they will be a better player because of it. P2W would infer that someone could spend cash to buy the best weapon or armor in the game not buy something they can sell for gold. Personally, I would be fine if the costumes and such were resellable as long as soul gems and such were not.

If you can buy something for cash from the shop, then sell it for gold, you can then buy the best armor/weapons in game. There is no difference.

Ltownatrain · February 2015

Hardly considering that the best stuff in this game is supposed to be BoP from the trials. Thus the only way to obtain it is from running endgame dungeons and such. P2W would truly mean the best armor or weapon in the game are only available behind a pay wall not in the game.