I have to say it

Vatter · January 2015

I am not a ZoS supporter by any means. I hate most of things they have done.

But I have to give a kudos to the development team that made the pts changes to the templar class. The new changes and abilities are amazing and in my opinion, finally on par with other classes. I hope to see these changes make it to the live version untouched.

So to the development team that did the templar changes, fantastic work.

Vulix · January 2015

Try playing a sorc

Vahrokh · January 2015

Vatter wrote: »

I am not a ZoS supporter by any means. I hate most of things they have done.

But I have to give a kudos to the development team that made the pts changes to the templar class. The new changes and abilities are amazing and in my opinion, finally on par with other classes. I hope to see these changes make it to the live version untouched.

So to the development team that did the templar changes, fantastic work.

I have to give kudos to the PTS changes to the sorc class.

They greatly helped me decide to unsub and uninstall.

kongkim · January 2015

Vahrokh wrote: »

Vatter wrote: »

I am not a ZoS supporter by any means. I hate most of things they have done.

But I have to give a kudos to the development team that made the pts changes to the templar class. The new changes and abilities are amazing and in my opinion, finally on par with other classes. I hope to see these changes make it to the live version untouched.

So to the development team that did the templar changes, fantastic work.

I have to give kudos to the PTS changes to the sorc class.

They greatly helped me decide to unsub and uninstall.

I really like how some people think it help to threat to unsub :disagree:
Really no one cares.

Wicked_Wolf · January 2015

Vahrokh wrote: »

Vatter wrote: »

I am not a ZoS supporter by any means. I hate most of things they have done.

But I have to give a kudos to the development team that made the pts changes to the templar class. The new changes and abilities are amazing and in my opinion, finally on par with other classes. I hope to see these changes make it to the live version untouched.

So to the development team that did the templar changes, fantastic work.

I have to give kudos to the PTS changes to the sorc class.

They greatly helped me decide to unsub and uninstall.

Rather than giving feedback and telling them what you don't like, like all of the Templars did?

Bouvin · January 2015

kongkim wrote: »

Vahrokh wrote: »

Vatter wrote: »

I am not a ZoS supporter by any means. I hate most of things they have done.

But I have to give a kudos to the development team that made the pts changes to the templar class. The new changes and abilities are amazing and in my opinion, finally on par with other classes. I hope to see these changes make it to the live version untouched.

So to the development team that did the templar changes, fantastic work.

I have to give kudos to the PTS changes to the sorc class.

They greatly helped me decide to unsub and uninstall.

I really like how some people think it help to threat to unsub :disagree:
Really no one cares.

ZOS does.

If all those people that played on day 1 had stayed subbed, do you really think they'd be going B2P & Cash Shop?

I seriously doubt they'd give up all of that revenue.

But so many people unsubbed due to the state of the game on release that they had to make this desperate move.

So obviously, they DO care about people unsubbing. Going B2P/F2P is a last resort for games who have purged subs and don't have the cash flow to continue operating.

Joejudas · January 2015

Wicked_Wolf wrote: »

Vahrokh wrote: »

Vatter wrote: »

I am not a ZoS supporter by any means. I hate most of things they have done.

But I have to give a kudos to the development team that made the pts changes to the templar class. The new changes and abilities are amazing and in my opinion, finally on par with other classes. I hope to see these changes make it to the live version untouched.

So to the development team that did the templar changes, fantastic work.

I have to give kudos to the PTS changes to the sorc class.

They greatly helped me decide to unsub and uninstall.

Rather than giving feedback and telling them what you don't like, like all of the Templars did?

Ok here is a list :
DO igneous change isn't good.
armor nerfs especially on end game raid gear...not good
dk standard costing 250 not good
Making light armor useful not good
flawless dawnbreaker changes not good
PvP shield stacking meta not good
No travel to player from guild roster not good
Making magic abilities Stam not good
Character stat nerfs not good
400k cp not good
Trials revamp not good
Potions not stacking with skills not good
etc etc etc

Abr4hn · January 2015

Bouvin wrote: »

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So obviously, they DO care about people unsubbing. Going B2P/F2P is a last resort for games who have purged subs and don't have the cash flow to continue operating.

Or in this case, it is a way to switch to a single business model that is the same for PC's, PS4 and Xbox One.

Also, they can make a buttload of money from the cash shop alone with no subscriptions necessary - just like GW2, which has been very successful.

Vahrokh · January 2015

Wicked_Wolf wrote: »

Vahrokh wrote: »

Vatter wrote: »

I am not a ZoS supporter by any means. I hate most of things they have done.

But I have to give a kudos to the development team that made the pts changes to the templar class. The new changes and abilities are amazing and in my opinion, finally on par with other classes. I hope to see these changes make it to the live version untouched.

So to the development team that did the templar changes, fantastic work.

I have to give kudos to the PTS changes to the sorc class.

They greatly helped me decide to unsub and uninstall.

Rather than giving feedback and telling them what you don't like, like all of the Templars did?

Yeah it's just since closed beta that I give feedback.
Guess what? None heard.

Vahrokh · January 2015

Abr4hn wrote: »

Also, they can make a buttload of money from the cash shop alone with no subscriptions necessary - just like GW2, which has been very successful.

GW2 has an amount of content that really entices people to buy it.
If I got back to it I am sure I am going to have weeks of stuff to do.
ESO is perfect as long as you don't get level 50, then there are basically 3 short lived trial instances and that's it.

Varicite · January 2015

Vahrokh wrote: »

Abr4hn wrote: »

Also, they can make a buttload of money from the cash shop alone with no subscriptions necessary - just like GW2, which has been very successful.

GW2 has an amount of content that really entices people to buy it.
If I got back to it I am sure I am going to have weeks of stuff to do.
ESO is perfect as long as you don't get level 50, then there are basically 3 short lived trial instances and that's it.

Hey now, there's also lagging out in Cyrodiil, which is somehow even more broken today than it was when the game launched. : D

Psychobunni · January 2015

Vatter wrote: »

I am not a ZoS supporter by any means. I hate most of things they have done.

But I have to give a kudos to the development team that made the pts changes to the templar class. The new changes and abilities are amazing and in my opinion, finally on par with other classes. I hope to see these changes make it to the live version untouched.

So to the development team that did the templar changes, fantastic work.

Aye. It is the only thing keeping me from quitting since they stole my Sorc's sweetrolls....the idea that I may be able to finally be comfortable with a Templar archer. Until pvp whine destroys that too at least

rawne1980b16_ESO · January 2015

Bouvin wrote: »

ZOS does.

If all those people that played on day 1 had stayed subbed, do you really think they'd be going B2P & Cash Shop?

ZOS doesn't.

A hell of a lot of us voiced the reasons we were dropping our subs after the first month. A lot of those gave VR as the reason they were leaving.

VR is still there.

ZOS doesn't give the slightest monkeys nut what the playerbase wants.

Vet ranks were, and are still, one of the most unpopular things in the game. Instead of getting rid of them they added to them.

Jando · January 2015

I can't stand the delay before the channel for the new Radiant execute ability. That needs to go...It feels horrible. This has nothing to do with the balance of its power, so please don't bring that up.

SIN-X · January 2015

kongkim wrote: »

Vahrokh wrote: »

Vatter wrote: »

I am not a ZoS supporter by any means. I hate most of things they have done.

But I have to give a kudos to the development team that made the pts changes to the templar class. The new changes and abilities are amazing and in my opinion, finally on par with other classes. I hope to see these changes make it to the live version untouched.

So to the development team that did the templar changes, fantastic work.

I have to give kudos to the PTS changes to the sorc class.

They greatly helped me decide to unsub and uninstall.

I really like how some people think it help to threat to unsub :disagree:
Really no one cares.

REALLY .... that's why we get 70 cp's for v14 instead of the same as any vet 1 because of the unsub fit that hit....

[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Rude and Insulting comments]

Khivas_Carrick · January 2015

Vahrokh wrote: »

Wicked_Wolf wrote: »

Vahrokh wrote: »

Vatter wrote: »

I am not a ZoS supporter by any means. I hate most of things they have done.

But I have to give a kudos to the development team that made the pts changes to the templar class. The new changes and abilities are amazing and in my opinion, finally on par with other classes. I hope to see these changes make it to the live version untouched.

So to the development team that did the templar changes, fantastic work.

I have to give kudos to the PTS changes to the sorc class.

They greatly helped me decide to unsub and uninstall.

Rather than giving feedback and telling them what you don't like, like all of the Templars did?

Yeah it's just since closed beta that I give feedback.
Guess what? None heard.

Maybe because you weren't as bad off as we were? lol

I mean ***, I wrote not one, not two, but three freaking dossiers on Templar Abilities and at least a few of them from the first two (they wisely ignored me and my peers on the healing part, best to leave the healers to give feedback on that stuff anyway) have now made it into the PTS.

Biting Jabs is amazing now, Blazing Spear doesn't disappear once it's used for a synergy, Power Of The Light is instant cast, Sun Fire and it's morphs hold use, Aedric Spear and Dawn's Wrath passives are ok, and Purifying Light is better used now.

That said of course they failed on certain abilities, such as Piercing Javelin and Eclipse, but for *** sake they finally took the hint and listened.

They're not stupid, just overworked and overwhelmed, give the Devs a break.

phairdon · January 2015

Vahrokh wrote: »

Abr4hn wrote: »

Also, they can make a buttload of money from the cash shop alone with no subscriptions necessary - just like GW2, which has been very successful.

GW2 has an amount of content that really entices people to buy it.
If I got back to it I am sure I am going to have weeks of stuff to do.
ESO is perfect as long as you don't get level 50, then there are basically 3 short lived trial instances and that's it.

Gw2 is going to have a lot more content soon ( expansion).

Has not participated on the trial server. Are the changes to sorcerer class really that bad? Does it effect all builds or only certain builds? Reason I ask is because I have 2 sorcerers. One is vr14 so probably not an issue for that particular char.

rawne1980b16_ESO · January 2015

Khivas_Carrick wrote: »

give the Devs a break.

If they can't handle doing their jobs then they need to find jobs better suited for them.

It's well documented how demanding MMO players are, they chose this career.

vokage89 · January 2015

Vahrokh wrote: »

Vatter wrote: »

I am not a ZoS supporter by any means. I hate most of things they have done.

But I have to give a kudos to the development team that made the pts changes to the templar class. The new changes and abilities are amazing and in my opinion, finally on par with other classes. I hope to see these changes make it to the live version untouched.

So to the development team that did the templar changes, fantastic work.

I have to give kudos to the PTS changes to the sorc class.

They greatly helped me decide to unsub and uninstall.

what?? you doin something wrong lol.. im lovin sorc gameplay on PTS
the new bound armor looks badass too..

Funkopotamus · February 2015

Bouvin wrote: »

kongkim wrote: »

Vahrokh wrote: »

Vatter wrote: »

I am not a ZoS supporter by any means. I hate most of things they have done.

But I have to give a kudos to the development team that made the pts changes to the templar class. The new changes and abilities are amazing and in my opinion, finally on par with other classes. I hope to see these changes make it to the live version untouched.

So to the development team that did the templar changes, fantastic work.

I have to give kudos to the PTS changes to the sorc class.

They greatly helped me decide to unsub and uninstall.

I really like how some people think it help to threat to unsub :disagree:
Really no one cares.

ZOS does.

If all those people that played on day 1 had stayed subbed, do you really think they'd be going B2P & Cash Shop?

I seriously doubt they'd give up all of that revenue.

But so many people unsubbed due to the state of the game on release that they had to make this desperate move.

So obviously, they DO care about people unsubbing. Going B2P/F2P is a last resort for games who have purged subs and don't have the cash flow to continue operating.

TRUTH^^

Three more developers left on their own in the last few weeks right before this decision. Truth is we will never know exactly what forced this to happen, but I would bet them leaving had a lot to say about the state of the game now and the fact that they have warned us not to look for anything more in 2015..

Gorthax · February 2015

Funkopotamus wrote: »

Bouvin wrote: »

kongkim wrote: »

Vahrokh wrote: »

Vatter wrote: »

I am not a ZoS supporter by any means. I hate most of things they have done.

But I have to give a kudos to the development team that made the pts changes to the templar class. The new changes and abilities are amazing and in my opinion, finally on par with other classes. I hope to see these changes make it to the live version untouched.

So to the development team that did the templar changes, fantastic work.

I have to give kudos to the PTS changes to the sorc class.

They greatly helped me decide to unsub and uninstall.

I really like how some people think it help to threat to unsub :disagree:
Really no one cares.

ZOS does.

If all those people that played on day 1 had stayed subbed, do you really think they'd be going B2P & Cash Shop?

I seriously doubt they'd give up all of that revenue.

But so many people unsubbed due to the state of the game on release that they had to make this desperate move.

So obviously, they DO care about people unsubbing. Going B2P/F2P is a last resort for games who have purged subs and don't have the cash flow to continue operating.

TRUTH^^

Three more developers left on their own in the last few weeks right before this decision. Truth is we will never know exactly what forced this to happen, but I would bet them leaving had a lot to say about the state of the game now and the fact that they have warned us not to look for anything more in 2015..

thats what scares me honestly.......I want spell crafting...I want the pvp side of the justice system, but their stance on those two things is as I quote "IF/WHEN they happen"

Khivas_Carrick · February 2015

rawne1980b16_ESO wrote: »

Khivas_Carrick wrote: »

give the Devs a break.

If they can't handle doing their jobs then they need to find jobs better suited for them.

It's well documented how demanding MMO players are, they chose this career.

Maybe that's why so many devs left because they couldn't handle the demands of a bunch of impatient little college kids.

Hortator Mopa · February 2015

kongkim wrote: »

Vahrokh wrote: »

Vatter wrote: »

I am not a ZoS supporter by any means. I hate most of things they have done.

But I have to give a kudos to the development team that made the pts changes to the templar class. The new changes and abilities are amazing and in my opinion, finally on par with other classes. I hope to see these changes make it to the live version untouched.

So to the development team that did the templar changes, fantastic work.

I have to give kudos to the PTS changes to the sorc class.

They greatly helped me decide to unsub and uninstall.

I really like how some people think it help to threat to unsub :disagree:
Really no one cares.

Every time I see you post something its either a bad troll or you just being potato.

I dont know if you are just dumb irl or a bad troll who thinks they are being smart.

Either way, get outside for a bit because you always say something dumb to people with legitimate concerns.

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO · February 2015

Where are you guys getting that any developers left?

Vahrokh · February 2015

vokage89 wrote: »

what?? you doin something wrong lol.. im lovin sorc gameplay on PTS
the new bound armor looks badass too..

It's definitely bound armor, and expecially its looks, that shall make us more than a dead weight in trials.

rawne1980b16_ESO · February 2015

Khivas_Carrick wrote: »

Maybe that's why so many devs left because they couldn't handle the demands of a bunch of impatient little college kids.

I'd accept this ... if the average age of a gamer wasn't 30.

Whenever someone has nothing intelligent to say they resort to the overused and oh so pathetic "kid" retort.

As I said earlier, if they can't handle doing their jobs then maybe it's a good job they left. Games development obviously isn't for them.

Vahrokh · February 2015

If I may say a word in devs defense... being a dev myself.

In a corporation, devs have NO say about the direction of the game. The high brass decide a business strategy, talk to game designers and other "middle ranks" and the decisional process gets split into several branches.
The "dev" is the last guy in the food chain. His team leader is told what the upper levels want done (in example: redo this and that combat animation / implement better weapon swapping etc.), his team leader talks with the team devs and splits tasks between them. Then each dev does his assigned stuff and that's it. Others, will test it, others, will check how it integrates within the existing game and so on.