Fact: ESO is too easy

Look at it this way... It's not just you being balanced (some call it nerf) by this new system. It's everybody. Litterally every character is getting balanced in order to introduce the alternate advancement system, and it's a good thing.

ESO is too easy as it is, and nobody will disagree with that. If CP was introduced on top of the already easy game we have today, the entire game would be even more of a faceroll as you start gaining CP.

You're not nerfed. You were overpowered. Everybody was overpowered, and with the alternate advancement we would have all been more overpowered.

This is the way it should have been from the start.

Joe. You're entirely missing the point (as is customary for you, judging from many of your previous posts).

If DK's do 1600 DPS
NB's do 1500 DPS
Templar's do 1400 DPS
and Sorc's do 1300 DPS

and then tomorrow

DK's do 800 DPS
NB's do 750 DPS
Templar's do 700 DPS
and Sorc's do 650 DPS

Nothing has really changed, except "MUH NUMBERZ!"

But now we have more ways to play, more content, and best of all more challenge.

And P.S. I know this all stems back to your Ult. gain build being nerfed. Get over it. It's a good, no, a GREAT thing that we're not all spamming Ult's for every encounter.

Joe is right, nerfing us so we have to use Champion points screws with the entire point of making the Champion System a progression system. We're not 'progressing' if they just nerfed us. Imo, they did this so they can keep us busy while we wait for new content. What they should have done is left things as is, and made the newer content VERY hard. As in very. VERY. Hard. As it stands currently, the Champion System is not a end-game progression system, it's a way to keep people entertained while they slowly, and I mean very slowly, grind back to how powerful they already were in 1.5.

It's stupid, they shouldn't have nerfed us the way they did, I'd rather they left the champion system as is, remove the inflated *** numbers that in no way make the game better, makes it harder to understand actually, and made the new content harder, Wrothgar and the Argonian content, just make those harder, tweak craglorn so it's a tad bit harder, and leave us as is. We payed for the game for 10 months, for 10 months we dropped gold into good builds and good specs, and then they nerf everything and force us to grind points to get back to what we were at. It's not fair, and it's not okay.

Grinding CP points != challenge

Imagine these changes, If they hadn't rolled back the veteran difficulty and made it easy mode. As one of the people that had to crawl through the original vet levels, I don't see this as being bad at all.

Zos are calling the new champion system horizontal but in reality it is vertical.
If you look at the pasives the champion system gives you the majority of them will effect your char the same as 'extra lvls" would. More health magica and Stam etc..

Few of the new pasives could be considered "horizontal progression". Better Chest loot, increased harvesting time are some of the few horizontal skills.

Horizontal progression is about making your char more flexible, vertical progression makes it more powerful. Guess which one the CP system is?

ashlee17 wrote: »

Zos are calling the new champion system horizontal but in reality it is vertical.
If you look at the pasives the champion system gives you the majority of them will effect your char the same as 'extra lvls" would. More health magica and Stam etc..

Few of the new pasives could be considered "horizontal progression". Better Chest loot, increased harvesting time are some of the few horizontal skills.

Horizontal progression is about making your char more flexible, vertical progression makes it more powerful. Guess which one the CP system is?

Bingo

This system is the worst type to encourage new players to join once it has been in place for a while as a new player will face a power gap that just increases the the more time that passes between the implementation and their joining.

The champion system was never needed. This is just a huge timesink to keep the PC players busy while the console players get through the content.

myrbostadb16_ESO3 wrote: »

Hm. Player: "Game is too short and too easy, theres nothing more to do!". Dev: "Let's make it harder, rebalance it and add more progression systems before putting out new content". Player: "Omg nerf".

Yes, but they did that by cutting your character's power in half (after you have already spent the past year building them up) and then allowing you to spend the next year getting back to where you were.

Of course people are going to be mad that the past year they've spent faithfully waiting and paying for those bug fixes and rebalances when nobody else would, when the mass media wouldn't even give the game a chance, when the majority of gamers scoffed at the name is rewarded by destroying any semblance of the progression they'd made.

You don't generally gut your most loyal players who have been paying to beta test your game so that you can make it better.

Also, we PvPers have to wait a year and half now for ANY new content, period. And even that will cater only to casuals and impulse buyers, because that's where the cash is.

That's not really what was advertised, and people are right to be upset.

Joejudas wrote: »

Varicite wrote: »

myrbostadb16_ESO3 wrote: »

Hm. Player: "Game is too short and too easy, theres nothing more to do!". Dev: "Let's make it harder, rebalance it and add more progression systems before putting out new content". Player: "Omg nerf".

Yes, but they did that by cutting your character's power in half (after you have already spent the past year building them up) and then allowing you to spend the next year getting back to where you were.

Of course people are going to be mad that the past year they've spent faithfully waiting and paying for those bug fixes and rebalances when nobody else would, when the mass media wouldn't even give the game a chance, when the majority of gamers scoffed at the name is rewarded by destroying any semblance of the progression they'd made.

You don't generally gut your most loyal players who have been paying to beta test your game so that you can make it better.

Also, we PvPers have to wait a year and half now for ANY new content, period. And even that will cater only to casuals and impulse buyers, because that's where the cash is.

That's not really what was advertised, and people are right to be upset.

They aren't going to change it....I kind of just want to give up honestly and play something else.

Oh, I know they aren't going to change it. I already unsubbed, myself.

Not going to continue paying for somebody to lie to me and jerk me around. I'll probably continue to play for free, since I've already paid so darn much to beta test ESO for console players.

At least when it's free, when ZOS continues to take the game in completely unnecessary and asinine directions, I can just say to myself "Well, you get what you pay for".

In this case, though, I'm still mad that I paid so much for it in the first place. ESO is a game that I played not because I thought it was awesome and immersive, but because it COULD be and I thought it was heading in that direction.

But in truth, they didn't care about any of us who have been faithful. They just wanted to make a cash grab at consoles and used us to test this buggy mess of a game for the people they actually cared about, console players.

At least, that's how I'm feeling about this whole thing.

Varicite wrote: »

myrbostadb16_ESO3 wrote: »

Hm. Player: "Game is too short and too easy, theres nothing more to do!". Dev: "Let's make it harder, rebalance it and add more progression systems before putting out new content". Player: "Omg nerf".

Yes, but they did that by cutting your character's power in half (after you have already spent the past year building them up) and then allowing you to spend the next year getting back to where you were.

Of course people are going to be mad that the past year they've spent faithfully waiting and paying for those bug fixes and rebalances when nobody else would, when the mass media wouldn't even give the game a chance, when the majority of gamers scoffed at the name is rewarded by destroying any semblance of the progression they'd made.

You don't generally gut your most loyal players who have been paying to beta test your game so that you can make it better.

Also, we PvPers have to wait a year and half now for ANY new content, period. And even that will cater only to casuals and impulse buyers, because that's where the cash is.

That's not really what was advertised, and people are right to be upset.

Some people are actually still remembering stuff from 2014. Amazing.

I still don't get this "getting back" argument. Maybe I just play differently, I don't know, I just don't see the game getting harder as a problem - more challenge sounds like fun. Or readjusting skills, trying out new stuff. All fun parts of the game.

The real issue here seems to be lack of endgame content for those that have spent alot of time on the game. If you have done everything and can't be bothered with streaming/helping others/hanging out, then grinding for CP might seem the only thing to do - and if you only like to grind fast and easy without getting into any challenging fights - well i guess its time to take a break and wait for more content.

EDIT: typo