15 vs 1...

Sharkan · January 2015

This afternoon on Haderus I was part of a large group led by Fenrirr (AD) when our path crossed the one of the active emperor (the Usual DK / Tank / Bat Spammer).

OK, the guy is the emperor, OK, he has this OP DK tank 1H + shield + Vampire build, OK, he sure knows how to use it, but we were around 15...he was alone (the 2 - 3 blues who came to assist him fell in a few seconds)

And guess what, we couldn't beat him (while he managed to pull down some of us)
Well, to be honest, we managed to kill him twice, but after a 10 minutes fight and a few negates each time.

I'm OK with the emperor being powerful, but damn...15 players not able to take him down. :-/
A bit sad in my opinion...

I don't know the details, but I can only hope 1.6 will fix this kind of ridiculous situation.

Moderator edit: Edited per our rules on naming and shaming.

Gooey · January 2015

Maybe you should heal debuff him before crying on the forums.

Kaghei · January 2015

Gooey wrote: »

Maybe you should heal debuff him before crying on the forums.

^^

Sypher · January 2015

This
and this.

Heal debuff, CC, Spread Out, Roll out of Standard.

krim · January 2015

Swish im ballin im so awwsome

Iyas · January 2015

lol

Asgari · January 2015

Omg I miss being Emp on haderpus.. The ap was so good.

Panda244 · January 2015

Not calling anyone out but an emperor, a DK emperor, that cannot kill 15 people is a bad DK emperor, props to this guy... When it comes to emps, spread out, meatbag, eclipse, reverb bash, lethal arrow, dark flare, caltrops, fear spam, shades from all your NBs, you want to wreck the guys stamina then stun him. He can block everything from everyone but he if he can't break free the damage from 15 people will melt him instantly.

Panda244 · January 2015

Sypher wrote: »

This
and this.

Heal debuff, CC, Spread Out, Roll out of Standard.

@Sypher‌ I can't... I'm sorry... When I see your duel with willkill and him using impulse against one person I facedesk... The other duel was better, and the one with Tyndreos was fun to watch.

Sharkan · January 2015

Yeah thanks guys, I've never thought a DK in my life (it's not like half of the PvP population are DKs

) and I've never seen a batswarm (nore the 14 other players with me) so I'm glad you tell me that I have to roll away from talons ^^

Sorry for the "uber champions" around here who find it normal, but for the average dude like me, it wasn't the most fun / balanced PvP experience I ever had.

Columba · January 2015

Emp buffs on certain builds are messed up. I just go do something else and leave god mode boy to pv door.

Panda244 · January 2015

Columba wrote: »

Emp buffs on certain builds are messed up. I just go do something else and leave god mode boy to pv door.

And people like you, that go do something else, is why I facedesk when people like you, that don't defend, complain about buffs being lost or nightcapping. You left, don't complain.

Asgari · January 2015

Panda244 wrote: »

Sypher wrote: »

This
and this.

Heal debuff, CC, Spread Out, Roll out of Standard.

@Sypher‌ I can't... I'm sorry... When I see your duel with willkill and him using impulse against one person I facedesk... The other duel was better, and the one with Tyndreos was fun to watch.

Not defending willkill but throwing an impulse in your rotation for 1v1 isn't bad. Especially as an emp getting increased damage and adding another dot to you.

Panda244 · January 2015

Princess_Asgari wrote: »

Panda244 wrote: »

Sypher wrote: »

This
and this.

Heal debuff, CC, Spread Out, Roll out of Standard.

@Sypher‌ I can't... I'm sorry... When I see your duel with willkill and him using impulse against one person I facedesk... The other duel was better, and the one with Tyndreos was fun to watch.

Not defending willkill but throwing an impulse in your rotation for 1v1 isn't bad. Especially as an emp getting increased damage and adding another dot to you.

Fire Ring, is...... Bad... Pulsar for 1v1 I can understand, but the DoT from Fire Ring is a joke and using it more than once in a 1v1 situation is laughable.. If you use the Valkyn set then it's more reasonable but in a situation like a duel it's silly... He'd be better off spamming crushing shock, it has a DoT and range, and does a tiny bit better dmg in 1v1.

AhPook_Is_Here · January 2015

should have stacked on him tighter, imho!

Panda244 · January 2015

AhPook_Is_Here wrote: »

should have stacked on him tighter, imho!

lol... I love it when people stack on DK vamp emps, or NB emps... They'll never die cause batswarm and sap essence will keep them alive forever. If I encounter an emp with a zerg defending him, and theres a zerg with me. I run off to the sides, or behind their zerg and just kill healers and weaklings... If I encounter an emp alone, I freely fight him... Cause my build as @Radolfus‌ put it, is like chugging a red bull every 15s, I hardly ever run out of resources in 1v1 situations... It'd be a never ending fight of flame lashes and talons :disagree:

Asgari · January 2015

Panda244 wrote: »

Princess_Asgari wrote: »

Panda244 wrote: »

Sypher wrote: »

This
and this.

Heal debuff, CC, Spread Out, Roll out of Standard.

@Sypher‌ I can't... I'm sorry... When I see your duel with willkill and him using impulse against one person I facedesk... The other duel was better, and the one with Tyndreos was fun to watch.

Not defending willkill but throwing an impulse in your rotation for 1v1 isn't bad. Especially as an emp getting increased damage and adding another dot to you.

Fire Ring, is...... Bad... Pulsar for 1v1 I can understand, but the DoT from Fire Ring is a joke and using it more than once in a 1v1 situation is laughable.. If you use the Valkyn set then it's more reasonable but in a situation like a duel it's silly... He'd be better off spamming crushing shock, it has a DoT and range, and does a tiny bit better dmg in 1v1.

Sorry when I talk setups I never talk about being speced for a 1v1 that is a duel. I only think of open world pvp with random encounters. I'm not fond of dueling because people know each other's builds and just spec to beat it. Open world pvp on the other hand you can say hang on Mr stealth attacker I need to change my bar real quick.

Panda244 · January 2015

Princess_Asgari wrote: »

Panda244 wrote: »

Princess_Asgari wrote: »

Panda244 wrote: »

Sypher wrote: »

This
and this.

Heal debuff, CC, Spread Out, Roll out of Standard.

@Sypher‌ I can't... I'm sorry... When I see your duel with willkill and him using impulse against one person I facedesk... The other duel was better, and the one with Tyndreos was fun to watch.

Not defending willkill but throwing an impulse in your rotation for 1v1 isn't bad. Especially as an emp getting increased damage and adding another dot to you.

Fire Ring, is...... Bad... Pulsar for 1v1 I can understand, but the DoT from Fire Ring is a joke and using it more than once in a 1v1 situation is laughable.. If you use the Valkyn set then it's more reasonable but in a situation like a duel it's silly... He'd be better off spamming crushing shock, it has a DoT and range, and does a tiny bit better dmg in 1v1.

Sorry when I talk setups I never talk about being speced for a 1v1 that is a duel. I only think of open world pvp with random encounters. I'm not fond of dueling because people know each other's builds and just spec to beat it. Open world pvp on the other hand you can say hang on Mr stealth attacker I need to change my bar real quick.

Well... In open world 1v1 encounters I still wouldn't use fire ring... I don't even use a destro in open world or duels so meh.. If I need AoE dmg or ult gen I use draw essence and talons, and if the idiots roll to much then I can perma talon them and melt them in my standard

Asgari · January 2015

Panda244 wrote: »

Princess_Asgari wrote: »

Panda244 wrote: »

Princess_Asgari wrote: »

Panda244 wrote: »

Sypher wrote: »

This
and this.

Heal debuff, CC, Spread Out, Roll out of Standard.

@Sypher‌ I can't... I'm sorry... When I see your duel with willkill and him using impulse against one person I facedesk... The other duel was better, and the one with Tyndreos was fun to watch.

Not defending willkill but throwing an impulse in your rotation for 1v1 isn't bad. Especially as an emp getting increased damage and adding another dot to you.

Fire Ring, is...... Bad... Pulsar for 1v1 I can understand, but the DoT from Fire Ring is a joke and using it more than once in a 1v1 situation is laughable.. If you use the Valkyn set then it's more reasonable but in a situation like a duel it's silly... He'd be better off spamming crushing shock, it has a DoT and range, and does a tiny bit better dmg in 1v1.

Sorry when I talk setups I never talk about being speced for a 1v1 that is a duel. I only think of open world pvp with random encounters. I'm not fond of dueling because people know each other's builds and just spec to beat it. Open world pvp on the other hand you can say hang on Mr stealth attacker I need to change my bar real quick.

Well... In open world 1v1 encounters I still wouldn't use fire ring... I don't even use a destro in open world or duels so meh.. If I need AoE dmg or ult gen I use draw essence and talons, and if the idiots roll to much then I can perma talon them and melt them in my standard

Essence will make its way back on my bar with eruption now in 1.6 probably. I don't see myself going s&b / destro like before. I will probably go s&b / 2h now.

Panda244 · January 2015

Princess_Asgari wrote: »

Panda244 wrote: »

Princess_Asgari wrote: »

Panda244 wrote: »

Princess_Asgari wrote: »

Panda244 wrote: »

Sypher wrote: »

This
and this.

Heal debuff, CC, Spread Out, Roll out of Standard.

@Sypher‌ I can't... I'm sorry... When I see your duel with willkill and him using impulse against one person I facedesk... The other duel was better, and the one with Tyndreos was fun to watch.

Not defending willkill but throwing an impulse in your rotation for 1v1 isn't bad. Especially as an emp getting increased damage and adding another dot to you.

Fire Ring, is...... Bad... Pulsar for 1v1 I can understand, but the DoT from Fire Ring is a joke and using it more than once in a 1v1 situation is laughable.. If you use the Valkyn set then it's more reasonable but in a situation like a duel it's silly... He'd be better off spamming crushing shock, it has a DoT and range, and does a tiny bit better dmg in 1v1.

Sorry when I talk setups I never talk about being speced for a 1v1 that is a duel. I only think of open world pvp with random encounters. I'm not fond of dueling because people know each other's builds and just spec to beat it. Open world pvp on the other hand you can say hang on Mr stealth attacker I need to change my bar real quick.

Well... In open world 1v1 encounters I still wouldn't use fire ring... I don't even use a destro in open world or duels so meh.. If I need AoE dmg or ult gen I use draw essence and talons, and if the idiots roll to much then I can perma talon them and melt them in my standard

Essence will make its way back on my bar with eruption now in 1.6 probably. I don't see myself going s&b / destro like before. I will probably go s&b / 2h now.

Destro will have it's uses but I don't think we'll see huge destro zergs anymore, I for one am staying s&b/resto, just cause resto gives me 8% boost to GDB and there are prolly passives to buff healing received in champ system anyway.

Cody · January 2015

you think its bad now?

just wait until 1.6 hits live. all that damage shield spamming/stacking will make things worse

Rylana · January 2015

Panda244 wrote: »

Princess_Asgari wrote: »

Panda244 wrote: »

Sypher wrote: »

This
and this.

Heal debuff, CC, Spread Out, Roll out of Standard.

@Sypher‌ I can't... I'm sorry... When I see your duel with willkill and him using impulse against one person I facedesk... The other duel was better, and the one with Tyndreos was fun to watch.

Not defending willkill but throwing an impulse in your rotation for 1v1 isn't bad. Especially as an emp getting increased damage and adding another dot to you.

Fire Ring, is...... Bad... Pulsar for 1v1 I can understand, but the DoT from Fire Ring is a joke and using it more than once in a 1v1 situation is laughable.. If you use the Valkyn set then it's more reasonable but in a situation like a duel it's silly... He'd be better off spamming crushing shock, it has a DoT and range, and does a tiny bit better dmg in 1v1.

Except for crushing shock can be blocked and reflected whereas impulse cannot.

See thats the fundamental flaw. People sometimes use AOE in 1v1 because thats all that actually will work against a DK or 1hS build.