With Horses Becoming Account Wide...

Epona222 · January 2015

EDIT: Sorry, I meant to quote @LMar - not sure what went wrong!

Horse colours are exactly the same, you can still own a dun horse and a black horse and a paint and a chestnut/sorrel (and a white one if you own imperial edition and a palomino if you bought that from the cash shop) - just that your riding stats no longer depend on the horse, they are linked to your character. So you can use the black horse and get the same speed as any speed training that character gave to a horse. The horse colours are now purely cosmetic.

Also horse colours are account-wide, but riding skill is linked to each character. You will be able to switch horse colour to any that any of your characters owns on any other character, but the stats will depend on the character.

pmn100b16_ESO · January 2015

I've got the same 42k speed horse on four characters and the 17k (which now costs 10k) on three characters. Thats about 140k gold down the drain. Oh well.

LMar · January 2015

Epona222 wrote: »

EDIT: Sorry, I meant to quote @LMar - not sure what went wrong!

Horse colours are exactly the same, you can still own a dun horse and a black horse and a paint and a chestnut/sorrel (and a white one if you own imperial edition and a palomino if you bought that from the cash shop) - just that your riding stats no longer depend on the horse, they are linked to your character. So you can use the black horse and get the same speed as any speed training that character gave to a horse. The horse colours are now purely cosmetic.

Also horse colours are account-wide, but riding skill is linked to each character. You will be able to switch horse colour to any that any of your characters owns on any other character, but the stats will depend on the character.

So are the colours different prices??

pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »

I've got the same 42k speed horse on four characters and the 17k (which now costs 10k) on three characters. Thats about 140k gold down the drain. Oh well.

So if i wait for 1.6 the cheapest horse is 10K only? So I will be saving 7K to use for training?!

Epona222 · January 2015

LMar wrote: »

Epona222 wrote: »

EDIT: Sorry, I meant to quote @LMar - not sure what went wrong!

Horse colours are exactly the same, you can still own a dun horse and a black horse and a paint and a chestnut/sorrel (and a white one if you own imperial edition and a palomino if you bought that from the cash shop) - just that your riding stats no longer depend on the horse, they are linked to your character. So you can use the black horse and get the same speed as any speed training that character gave to a horse. The horse colours are now purely cosmetic.

Also horse colours are account-wide, but riding skill is linked to each character. You will be able to switch horse colour to any that any of your characters owns on any other character, but the stats will depend on the character.

So are the colours different prices??

pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »

I've got the same 42k speed horse on four characters and the 17k (which now costs 10k) on three characters. Thats about 140k gold down the drain. Oh well.

So if i wait for 1.6 the cheapest horse is 10K only? So I will be saving 7K to use for training?!

Yes if you want the cheapest non-DLC horse, wait until update 6 goes live because it is 10k rather than 17k. The others (black, paint, dun) are all 42.7k. At least at the moment on the PTS that is the situation, there is no guarantee it won't change before official release. But I would hold off, as you say that is potentially 7k left over to use for other stuff - and even if the price on release goes back up to 17k, you won't actually have lost a penny!

UrQuan · January 2015

Uviryth wrote: »

Where do you guys get all that intel on 1.6?

Some of it has come from what ZOS employees said here on the forums and in the reditt AMA, but an awful lot has come from playing around on the PTS, which has had 1.6 on it for a few days (although the whole point of the PTS is that they are using it to see if there need to be changes made to 1.6, so some things may be a little different when it goes on the live servers).

eventide03b14a_ESO · January 2015

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

AFrostWolf wrote: »

Could have done the same with an Imperial Horse though. This hardly seem's fair.

What would you suggest they do? Rollback the entire change over it?

Here's a thought, how about they reimburse the account for the amount we spent. Herp a frickin derp. It's not that complicated...

LMar · January 2015

Epona222 wrote: »

LMar wrote: »

Epona222 wrote: »

EDIT: Sorry, I meant to quote @LMar - not sure what went wrong!

Horse colours are exactly the same, you can still own a dun horse and a black horse and a paint and a chestnut/sorrel (and a white one if you own imperial edition and a palomino if you bought that from the cash shop) - just that your riding stats no longer depend on the horse, they are linked to your character. So you can use the black horse and get the same speed as any speed training that character gave to a horse. The horse colours are now purely cosmetic.

Also horse colours are account-wide, but riding skill is linked to each character. You will be able to switch horse colour to any that any of your characters owns on any other character, but the stats will depend on the character.

So are the colours different prices??

pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »

I've got the same 42k speed horse on four characters and the 17k (which now costs 10k) on three characters. Thats about 140k gold down the drain. Oh well.

So if i wait for 1.6 the cheapest horse is 10K only? So I will be saving 7K to use for training?!

Yes if you want the cheapest non-DLC horse, wait until update 6 goes live because it is 10k rather than 17k. The others (black, paint, dun) are all 42.7k. At least at the moment on the PTS that is the situation, there is no guarantee it won't change before official release. But I would hold off, as you say that is potentially 7k left over to use for other stuff - and even if the price on release goes back up to 17k, you won't actually have lost a penny!

Thanks

I suppose I will have to run around for a little while more !!

AlnilamE · January 2015

Remember that the riding skill is per character, so if you bought two speed horses for two different characters and leveled them to the max, each of those characters should now have the max speed skill.

Any other of your characters can still get access the horse of that colour, but they will not have the riding skill.

So all the money we spent feeding our horses should translate into "riding lessons" for the characters that originally owned the horses.

Of course, if you bought different kinds of horses, either for the same character or different characters, your characters now have access to more skins, but their riding skill should be equivalent to what the stats of their respective horses were.

jasonquigley646_ESO · January 2015

If you go on PTS for 5 min and see for yourself how this works it will answer all your questions. You lose nothing in this transition. It is actually a benefit...a big benefit. You get all the points you spent on all your horses combined into a single skill line, and they will apply to any mount your ride.

Rodario · January 2015

AlnilamE wrote: »

Remember that the riding skill is per character, so if you bought two speed horses for two different characters and leveled them to the max, each of those characters should now have the max speed skill.

Any other of your characters can still get access the horse of that colour, but they will not have the riding skill.

So all the money we spent feeding our horses should translate into "riding lessons" for the characters that originally owned the horses.

Of course, if you bought different kinds of horses, either for the same character or different characters, your characters now have access to more skins, but their riding skill should be equivalent to what the stats of their respective horses were.

Yes, the money spent for feeding them is not lost. The price of the horse itself, however, is.

Epona222 · January 2015

jasonquigley646_ESO wrote: »

If you go on PTS for 5 min and see for yourself how this works it will answer all your questions. You lose nothing in this transition. It is actually a benefit...a big benefit. You get all the points you spent on all your horses combined into a single skill line, and they will apply to any mount your ride.

I do agree, but although I have good internet and can do it, a lot of people are on a slower speed or have a monthly download cap - using that on downloading a huge update to a test environment of a game instead of for other stuff may be impractical/undesirable for many people. It is perfectly OK for people to ask questions of (and expect a helpful and civil answer from) those of us who can easily download and try it out.

Merlin13KAGL · January 2015

30 day catchup, if you had one of each kind.

While the absobtion is cool and sucks, all at the same time, if you are truly concerned about the gold cost, sell the duplicates right before 1.6 goes live...

One last thing to note, if you have any really cool horse names, write them down, as they revert to the default name when it crosses over.

Minack · January 2015

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

AFrostWolf wrote: »

Could have done the same with an Imperial Horse though. This hardly seem's fair.

What would you suggest they do? Rollback the entire change over it?

Yeah, rollback the entire update because apparently the code has a self-destruct failsafe that makes it an all-or-nothing affair.

Stop eating paint chips.

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO · January 2015

eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

AFrostWolf wrote: »

Could have done the same with an Imperial Horse though. This hardly seem's fair.

What would you suggest they do? Rollback the entire change over it?

Here's a thought, how about they reimburse the account for the amount we spent. Herp a frickin derp. It's not that complicated...

How about you just accept the fact things change. Whats next we refund everyone for every food they bought that no longer exists? You know how much it would cost to assign someone to refunding gold to everyone who bought a couple horses? How about everyone who bought the game who isnt happy about the b2p switch? They get refunds too?

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO · January 2015

minack1preub18_ESO wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

AFrostWolf wrote: »

Could have done the same with an Imperial Horse though. This hardly seem's fair.

What would you suggest they do? Rollback the entire change over it?

Yeah, rollback the entire update because apparently the code has a self-destruct failsafe that makes it an all-or-nothing affair.

Stop eating paint chips.

Another genius here. Guy look Im sorry you cant seem to be able to read. When I say revert the entire change I meant the horse/stable change not the whole 1.6 update. Also was being sarcastic as you cannot seem to grasp either.

Stonesthrow · January 2015

LMar wrote: »

So.. A question for all you horsie people
I have yet to buy a horse. Should I hold on on buying one after the patch?
Or should I get the cheapest one and start upgrading it?

EDIT: BAH, someone already answered you.

If you have imperial, buy 3 horses on all of your guys… start leveling them every 20 hours, one in stan, one in speed and one in capacity.

When 1.6 hits live you will only be able to level one of these stats every 20 hours, not all 3 so it's a no brainer.

If you don't have imperial, well… dunno. You will still have to buy a horse in order to have a horse available in your collections tab to ride, up to you.

Sylvyr · January 2015

Imagine currently having 2 42k horses on 1 main and 5 alts. Sure the stats are nice to have across toons with the upcoming changes but tbh I'd rather train riding from the beginning than think of 462K gold just kapoofing. Like the new system a lot but that kinda blows chunks.

LMar · January 2015

jasonquigley646_ESO wrote: »

If you go on PTS for 5 min and see for yourself how this works it will answer all your questions. You lose nothing in this transition. It is actually a benefit...a big benefit. You get all the points you spent on all your horses combined into a single skill line, and they will apply to any mount your ride.

Hi, indeed I would download it if I had the space and time but alas I do not. Thankfully it does exist though and people have been on it and been able to answer my questions. I don't actually disapprove of horse changes. I just had questions about them

SLy_Kyti · January 2015

Reporting back as I promised from another PTS venture, those with Gaited (fast) leveled horses are going to be mad....really mad...

The max you can level a horse for speed is now 60. Sixty. You started in "live"with 25, added 50 points and ended with 75 right? Now you lost 15 speed points. Wowser.

Also when logging onto your mains horse (or the one with most capacity) many are either losing slots, losing inventory or both. I'm going to make sure I'm not fully loaded on horse when this thing (v1.6x) hits live.

Also as far as the mechanics of horse use, you ride your horse(pick them) from your collections menu. A little non-intuitive for me as I went to the stable first and thought were *** is my horsies. They are there on your inventory/ collections already. Pick a color and ride.

I am confirming it is character wide for horse skills but account wide for colors.
There are reports of people getting colors they didn't buy and not receiving ones they did.

If you are in PTS please submit a bug ( takes forever for window to load) write number down and make a comment including the number here: http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/148402/1-6-pts-bugs-and-issues-thread/p6

[Edited for correct mathematics, thanks fromtesonline16]

fromtesonlineb16_ESO · January 2015

SLy_Kyti wrote: »

Reporting back as I promised from another PTS venture, those with Gaited (fast) leveled horses are going to be mad....really mad...

The max you can level a horse for speed is now 60. Sixty. You started in "live"with 25, added 50 points and ended with 75 right? Now you lost 10 speed points. Wowser.

Er ... 75 - 60 = 15.

Not sure what the 10 is here.

SLy_Kyti · January 2015

fromtesonlineb16_ESO wrote: »

SLy_Kyti wrote: »

Reporting back as I promised from another PTS venture, those with Gaited (fast) leveled horses are going to be mad....really mad...

The max you can level a horse for speed is now 60. Sixty. You started in "live"with 25, added 50 points and ended with 75 right? Now you lost 10 speed points. Wowser.

Er ... 75 - 60 = 15.

Not sure what the 10 is here.

Can I say public school kid and you'll forgive my math error lol

Correcting.....

UrQuan · January 2015

SLy_Kyti wrote: »

Reporting back as I promised from another PTS venture, those with Gaited (fast) leveled horses are going to be mad....really mad...

The max you can level a horse for speed is now 60. Sixty. You started in "live"with 25, added 50 points and ended with 75 right? Now you lost 10 speed points. Wowser.

Um, I don't think you quite understand what's happening with horses. All horses have a base of 15% speed. This represents the amount by which they are faster than you on foot.

Currently in live you can level a horse to 50, so you can add 50 to this and end up with 65%. A Gaited horse currently starts at 25% instead of 15%, so you can level it to 50 and end up with 75%.

In 1.6 as the leveling happens on your character, and all horses have the same stats (so all of them have a base of 15% speed), the amount by which you can level each stat has been increased from 50 to 60. So at max level you still end up with a horse at 75% speed.

Now there do appear to be 2 bugs related to horses not carrying over correctly: one is the one you mention later in your post about losing items in your inventory due to the capacity from a horse not carrying over until you select that horse.

The other is that the 42K horses don't appear to be carrying their initial bonuses over the way ZOS has said they should. ZOS has said that if you have a gaited horse maxed out for speed, it should carry over to a 60 speed riding skill for that character, but this does not appear to be happening in PTS - it appears that it's only coming over as a 50 speed riding skill.

Kurimugann · January 2015

Reporting back as I promised from another PTS venture, those with Gaited (fast) leveled horses are going to be mad....really mad...

The max you can level a horse for speed is now 60. Sixty. You started in "live"with 25, added 50 points and ended with 75 right? Now you lost 10 speed points. Wowser.

Glad I only have 3 Imperial horses, not even half way done leveling them up.

There are reports of people getting colors they didn't buy and not receiving ones they did.

If I get anything that is not a white horse, I'll remember this post.

idahogeekette · January 2015

starkerealm wrote: »

If your horses have any elements, they'll keep those. If you have a character with multiple horses that have different visuals, they'll gain ALL the visuals that character has on any horse.

So, if you have a character who has an armored horse, and another with bags, then all of their horses will now have bags AND armor.

It would be nice to be able to select which earned skin upgrade you want. Maybe I don't want all three lol

NewBlacksmurf · January 2015

Considering many brought other horses...maybe they could refund ppl but you'd have a never-ending request for gold.

Changes happen...going forward. We just move on

SLy_Kyti · January 2015

Ahh sooooo. Gotcha. We start out at 15% on pts. Did not catch that earlier. And yes I corrected the 10 speed boost in my earlier post. I hate to give out misinformation.

To be clear, horses level to 60 in PTS. Start out at 15% speed. I stand corrected.

AlexDougherty · January 2015

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

AFrostWolf wrote: »

Could have done the same with an Imperial Horse though. This hardly seem's fair.

What would you suggest they do? Rollback the entire change over it?

Um, they haven't made the change yet, except on PTS, so plenty of time for them to come up with something.

Mind you the Crown store will sell horse skins, not to mention Guar skins for mounts, so people can still get some variety (and for only 400 crowns I think).

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO · January 2015

AlexDougherty wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

AFrostWolf wrote: »

Could have done the same with an Imperial Horse though. This hardly seem's fair.

What would you suggest they do? Rollback the entire change over it?

Um, they haven't made the change yet, except on PTS, so plenty of time for them to come up with something.

Mind you the Crown store will sell horse skins, not to mention Guar skins for mounts, so people can still get some variety (and for only 400 crowns I think).

Its way too late for anything like that. Most likely this will be live within 2-3 weeks as they stated its coming out before the March 17th relaunch. People are just going to have to deal with the changes.

AlexDougherty · January 2015

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

AlexDougherty wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

AFrostWolf wrote: »

Could have done the same with an Imperial Horse though. This hardly seem's fair.

What would you suggest they do? Rollback the entire change over it?

Um, they haven't made the change yet, except on PTS, so plenty of time for them to come up with something.

Mind you the Crown store will sell horse skins, not to mention Guar skins for mounts, so people can still get some variety (and for only 400 crowns I think).

Its way too late for anything like that. Most likely this will be live within 2-3 weeks as they stated its coming out before the March 17th relaunch. People are just going to have to deal with the changes.

You're probably right, but what I meant was they could delay the mounts bit for a few weeks, I don't think they will, just that they could.

As for just living with it, yep that was my plan.

Cyhawk · January 2015

I want my 683.2k gold back =(

(thats a speed + inventory 42k horse x 8 characters. Good thing I didn't go for endurance horses outside of Imperial horses)