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Pay to get level V14
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Funkopotamus✭✭✭✭✭Der_Deutsche_Hase wrote: »
If you do not have the time then why even bother playing the game? Some of us play the game for the enjoyment of it.
Work for it. Pressing a button to fill that void is not going to make you feel better.. Just enjoy the game.
[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Rude and Insulting Comments]Edited by ZOS_UlyssesW on January 29, 2015 9:30PMAnything useful that players are wanting added into the game all fall under the category of "Yer ruinin my 'mersion!" Sallington0 -
istateres✭✭✭✭I'm not an expert, but why would being able to buy an end game character be "bad"? If we assume that there is a max level (VR14), why is it bad to allow VR14 ALT purchases? That is NOT P2W (in my mind). Buying something you cannot get in the game that gives you an advantage is P2W (special armor, weapons, spells, etc.). Today, any player can advance to VR14, via many paths.
I know you feel this "cheapens' your in game efforts, but thats how I feel about grinders who max leveled the first day ESO went live. Would it be wrong for me to pay my 16 year old son $40 to level my character to VR14 for me? Would that hurt the game in some way?2 -
Morshire✭✭✭✭I'm not an expert, but why would being able to buy an end game character be "bad"? If we assume that there is a max level (VR14), why is it bad to allow VR14 ALT purchases? That is NOT P2W (in my mind). Buying something you cannot get in the game that gives you an advantage is P2W (special armor, weapons, spells, etc.). Today, any player can advance to VR14, via many paths.
I know you feel this "cheapens' your in game efforts, but that's how I feel about grinders who max leveled the first day ESO went live. Would it be wrong for me to pay my 16 year old son $40 to level my character to VR14 for me? Would that hurt the game in some way?
So I think what we are seeing here, is a failure to communicate. An ALT purchase would imply that you have already played to VR14 and choose not to do it again with another build. Paying to be VR14 (which the OP suggested in the original thread comment) is an entirely different prospect. (Both IMO should not happen) Paying your son to level your character is also a different prospect. (Assuming this could happen) You are comparing apples and oranges here. The fear, is that if they (ZOS) allowed this, then what else would they "allow" in the cash shop. Heck, if someone can buy a VR14, then why have the levels at all? For that matter, why lock any part of the game that you can only enjoy by progression? (Skills, areas, skyshards, etc.) I mean, a grinder at least put in the effort. If you could just purchase the download, buy an end game character, then run some dungeons, then what? How long would that experience last?
This whole thread not only opens a can of worms, it also attests to the "limited attention span" of the "gamers" that the announcement has attracted. I am not all doom and gloom (still got 3 subs) but let's get real. People are not going to be happy with this game till it is 100% ruined, then they will go somewhere else and do it all over again.Follow me if I advance, Kill me if I retreat, Avenge me if I die.
When this immediate evil power has been defeated, we shall not yet have won the long battle with the elemental barbarities. Another evil, it may be an invisible adversary, will attempt, again, and yet again, to destroy our frail civilization. Is it true, I wonder, that the only way to escape a war is to be in it?
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Morshire✭✭✭✭Follow me if I advance, Kill me if I retreat, Avenge me if I die.
When this immediate evil power has been defeated, we shall not yet have won the long battle with the elemental barbarities. Another evil, it may be an invisible adversary, will attempt, again, and yet again, to destroy our frail civilization. Is it true, I wonder, that the only way to escape a war is to be in it?
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MrGhosty✭✭✭✭✭Buying Vr14 is pointless and I can imagine the rage if they gave this as an option and then after many had done just that they got rid of vet levels.
What I would add is that I would be ok with a skip to level 50 option, nothing unlocked, no skills leveled up just the basic points you'd get for 1-50 that is only available after you have maxed or at least lvl 50'd another character. The content that I'm interested in is the vet content not the 1-50 slog that I've gone through several times now. In comparison I enjoy spending my time in the vet levels as gear you find stays relevant long enough to feel like an actual reward, the combat is challenging and you're at least in a basic enough state to start really enjoying yourself in PvP. There are other classes I REALLY want to try out but the repeat content is making that a slog. This is on ZOS for how heavily they lean on that repeat content to extend the life of the game.
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Funkopotamus✭✭✭✭✭Then all of the content the ESO staff made for leveling should be removed from the game.
I swear someone needs to make a game that is based on PvP and then sell "Max your character" cash shop items.. (Wait..... They are doing that?)
If they do this to ESO... The game will be a ghost town in 5 months tops.Edited by Funkopotamus on January 29, 2015 8:43PMAnything useful that players are wanting added into the game all fall under the category of "Yer ruinin my 'mersion!" Sallington0 -
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✭For some ESO is 2 different games, pre/post 50. Sub will already be optional. Will Level 50 be optional? There are probably players out there who want to buy Level 50 and advance without the storyline. Z might offer that as an option."Billions upon Billions of Stars"0 -
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✭I'm not an expert, but why would being able to buy an end game character be "bad"? If we assume that there is a max level (VR14), why is it bad to allow VR14 ALT purchases? That is NOT P2W (in my mind). Buying something you cannot get in the game that gives you an advantage is P2W (special armor, weapons, spells, etc.). Today, any player can advance to VR14, via many paths.
I know you feel this "cheapens' your in game efforts, but thats how I feel about grinders who max leveled the first day ESO went live. Would it be wrong for me to pay my 16 year old son $40 to level my character to VR14 for me? Would that hurt the game in some way?
Yes. And this is because you then would be asking for groups with ppl who know the mechanics when you wouldn't (aka. wipe, wipe, wipe, etc). Wiping costs gold for repairs, soul gems and most importantly wasted time. Same goes for ppl whom only ever grinded, they blew when they come to vet dungeons after grinding to v14. Players who put in the time and know the mechanics are very put off by this.
The grind is a bad analogy too considering ZOS nerfs every grind when they know about it. Yes there are a few who grinded at the beginning, but a lot of them are gone. So paying to level because ppl grinded doesn't hold a ton of weight at this point.
Edit: I wanted to add that I can see someone who has already gone to v14 able to advance an alt from lvls 0-50. But there is a lot of learning in the vet content that shouldn't be undermined.Edited by Cuyler on January 29, 2015 8:51PMGuild: STACK n BURN (gm) PC - NA
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No this is exactly what breaks the game and ruin's it we don't need things like this.Dunmer Master Race1 -
BBSooner✭✭✭✭✭
✭I'm not an expert, but why would being able to buy an end game character be "bad"? If we assume that there is a max level (VR14), why is it bad to allow VR14 ALT purchases? That is NOT P2W (in my mind). Buying something you cannot get in the game that gives you an advantage is P2W (special armor, weapons, spells, etc.). Today, any player can advance to VR14, via many paths.
I know you feel this "cheapens' your in game efforts, but that's how I feel about grinders who max leveled the first day ESO went live. Would it be wrong for me to pay my 16 year old son $40 to level my character to VR14 for me? Would that hurt the game in some way?
This whole thread not only opens a can of worms, it also attests to the "limited attention span" of the "gamers" that the announcement has attracted. I am not all doom and gloom (still got 3 subs) but let's get real. People are not going to be happy with this game till it is 100% ruined, then they will go somewhere else and do it all over again.
What is this suggestion if not just a huge, one time only, XP boost? There are some (myself included) that feel that any sort of XP boost is against the spirit of the game. I can recognize that yes, equating the 10% boosts to an all in one auto level could be viewed as a slippery slope fallacy, however based on what ZOS has discussed would be in the store (and the incredibly vague description of what constitutes "convenience") this could arguably fit within those guidelines.
People can dismiss that as much as they'd like with "ZOS wouldn't, couldn't, shouldn't", but based on their wording it is a possibility - no matter how implausible.Edited by BBSooner on January 29, 2015 8:51PM0 -
Morshire✭✭✭✭Buying Vr14 is pointless and I can imagine the rage if they gave this as an option and then after many had done just that they got rid of vet levels.
What I would add is that I would be ok with a skip to level 50 option, nothing unlocked, no skills leveled up just the basic points you'd get for 1-50 that is only available after you have maxed or at least lvl 50'd another character. The content that I'm interested in is the vet content not the 1-50 slog that I've gone through several times now. In comparison I enjoy spending my time in the vet levels as gear you find stays relevant long enough to feel like an actual reward, the combat is challenging and you're at least in a basic enough state to start really enjoying yourself in PvP. There are other classes I REALLY want to try out but the repeat content is making that a slog. This is on ZOS for how heavily they lean on that repeat content to extend the life of the game.
The whole problem with this is that VR levels are gone in June-ish, so you are basically buying an "end game" toon. So back to the point, why have levels at all. Other than to turn a profit, this will "disadvantage" someone else, who cannot buy end game characters. So lets be fair, I mean really "fair", and just say you get it all when you buy. Levels, done. All zones, done. And PVP should just be one campaign, no Vet/non Vet ones. I mean really, you can't just buy an end game character-slouch, get a job. (Okay, being a tad extreme, but you see where it is going?)
I 100% agree, after Malog Bal is dead...for me the rest is just mindless repeat. I love to explore, but to have to at least do Cadwell's Silver to unlock the other zones is.....And there should be a better way to do it, but "buying" your way past it does not, IMO, hold the right answer. And let's be honest, if it wasn't so boring, there would be a whole heck of a lot less complaints.
For example, IF there was enough content, that you could pick a new area to start and run. Then you could start in any of the 3 zones, new experience each time you leveled.....less wanting to bypass it, right?Edited by Morshire on January 29, 2015 9:01PMFollow me if I advance, Kill me if I retreat, Avenge me if I die.
When this immediate evil power has been defeated, we shall not yet have won the long battle with the elemental barbarities. Another evil, it may be an invisible adversary, will attempt, again, and yet again, to destroy our frail civilization. Is it true, I wonder, that the only way to escape a war is to be in it?
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BBSooner✭✭✭✭✭
✭Buying Vr14 is pointless and I can imagine the rage if they gave this as an option and then after many had done just that they got rid of vet levels.
What I would add is that I would be ok with a skip to level 50 option, nothing unlocked, no skills leveled up just the basic points you'd get for 1-50 that is only available after you have maxed or at least lvl 50'd another character. The content that I'm interested in is the vet content not the 1-50 slog that I've gone through several times now. In comparison I enjoy spending my time in the vet levels as gear you find stays relevant long enough to feel like an actual reward, the combat is challenging and you're at least in a basic enough state to start really enjoying yourself in PvP. There are other classes I REALLY want to try out but the repeat content is making that a slog. This is on ZOS for how heavily they lean on that repeat content to extend the life of the game.
The whole problem with this is that VR levels are gone in June-ish,
Where have you read this? There are multiple threads and discussions about the lack of knowledge for when 1.7 (presumably the update that removes VR) will drop, since up until this point all statements for what version the consoles will launch with is 1.6.1 -
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Morshire✭✭✭✭@BBSooner - I did state June-ish. I am in no way predicting when they are gone, merely stating that they will be, when 1.7 drops. So even suggesting you get to buy VR14 toons means that someone, if ZOS allowed this, would get to gain skills, armor, weapons, etc. that someone else, who could not buy end game characters, may never be able to achieve.
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EDIT: The ish part could even mean June 2098 at the rate things are happening.Edited by Morshire on January 29, 2015 9:10PMFollow me if I advance, Kill me if I retreat, Avenge me if I die.
When this immediate evil power has been defeated, we shall not yet have won the long battle with the elemental barbarities. Another evil, it may be an invisible adversary, will attempt, again, and yet again, to destroy our frail civilization. Is it true, I wonder, that the only way to escape a war is to be in it?
If I die, you are forgiven, If I live, I will kill you.0 -
istateres✭✭✭✭Buying Vr14 is pointless and I can imagine the rage if they gave this as an option and then after many had done just that they got rid of vet levels.
What I would add is that I would be ok with a skip to level 50 option, nothing unlocked, no skills leveled up just the basic points you'd get for 1-50 that is only available after you have maxed or at least lvl 50'd another character. The content that I'm interested in is the vet content not the 1-50 slog that I've gone through several times now. In comparison I enjoy spending my time in the vet levels as gear you find stays relevant long enough to feel like an actual reward, the combat is challenging and you're at least in a basic enough state to start really enjoying yourself in PvP. There are other classes I REALLY want to try out but the repeat content is making that a slog. This is on ZOS for how heavily they lean on that repeat content to extend the life of the game.
I REALLY don't get it, except that you hate the 1-50, so it's ok to sell a VR1 character; but not a VR14 because you "like" VR content. Can you imagine that some people might only want to play end game (+VR10) content?
Me? I'd never buy levels; but I imagine most of you already HAVE. They are called rings of Mara (?). They speed up your leveling, which is exactly what the OP wanted; only he wanted to pay more for even faster leveling.1 -
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The OP literally wants an endgame character and not have to work for it. He feels entitled to it cause he can afford it with his wallet. His complaint was not about the content but his lack of available time to even complete the content available.Buying Vr14 is pointless and I can imagine the rage if they gave this as an option and then after many had done just that they got rid of vet levels.
What I would add is that I would be ok with a skip to level 50 option, nothing unlocked, no skills leveled up just the basic points you'd get for 1-50 that is only available after you have maxed or at least lvl 50'd another character. The content that I'm interested in is the vet content not the 1-50 slog that I've gone through several times now. In comparison I enjoy spending my time in the vet levels as gear you find stays relevant long enough to feel like an actual reward, the combat is challenging and you're at least in a basic enough state to start really enjoying yourself in PvP. There are other classes I REALLY want to try out but the repeat content is making that a slog. This is on ZOS for how heavily they lean on that repeat content to extend the life of the game.
The whole problem with this is that VR levels are gone in June-ish, so you are basically buying an "end game" toon. So back to the point, why have levels at all. Other than to turn a profit, this will "disadvantage" someone else, who cannot buy end game characters. So lets be fair, I mean really "fair", and just say you get it all when you buy. Levels, done. All zones, done. And PVP should just be one campaign, no Vet/non Vet ones. I mean really, you can't just buy an end game character-slouch, get a job. (Okay, being a tad extreme, but you see where it is going?)
I 100% agree, after Malog Bal is dead...for me the rest is just mindless repeat. I love to explore, but to have to at least do Cadwell's Silver to unlock the other zones is.....And there should be a better way to do it, but "buying" your way past it does not, IMO, hold the right answer. And let's be honest, if it wasn't so boring, there would be a whole heck of a lot less complaints.
For example, IF there was enough content, that you could pick a new area to start and run. Then you could start in any of the 3 zones, new experience each time you leveled.....less wanting to bypass it, right?
I agree though, it would be more bearable for instance if AD v5/v10 zones progressed AD alliance's story instead of simply repeating each individual alliances story.Guild: STACK n BURN (gm) PC - NA
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✭@BBSooner - I did state June-ish. I am in no way predicting like they are gone, merely stating that they will be, when 1.7 drops. So even suggesting you get to buy VR14 toons means that someone, if ZOS allowed this, would get to gain skills, armor, weapons, etc. that someone else, who could not buy end game characters, may never be able to achieve.
I was more curious if there was a statement confirming, Since most estimates are more like late Q3 or Q4.0 -
Cuyler✭✭✭✭✭
✭@BBSooner - I did state June-ish. I am in no way predicting when they are gone, merely stating that they will be, when 1.7 drops. So even suggesting you get to buy VR14 toons means that someone, if ZOS allowed this, would get to gain skills, armor, weapons, etc. that someone else, who could not buy end game characters, may never be able to achieve.
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EDIT: The ish part could even mean June 2098 at the rate things are happening.
@BBSooner brings up an interesting argument. With the flip flop nature of @ZOS over the CS, is it not possible they could eventually say, "were going to leave VR instead"? This would explain why consoles are getting VR. I assumed they would be gone by that time. I really wish they would confirm that is still their intention.Edited by Cuyler on January 29, 2015 9:17PMGuild: STACK n BURN (gm) PC - NA
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Morshire✭✭✭✭@BBSooner - I did state June-ish. I am in no way predicting like they are gone, merely stating that they will be, when 1.7 drops. So even suggesting you get to buy VR14 toons means that someone, if ZOS allowed this, would get to gain skills, armor, weapons, etc. that someone else, who could not buy end game characters, may never be able to achieve.
I was more curious if there was a statement confirming, Since most estimates are more like late Q3 or Q4.
I know we could not even "roll the chicken bones" to get a good timeframe. But this "struggle" to reach end game seems ridiculous to me. ZOS could make the content more engaging, challenging at all levels, and not make it "seem" like getting to the end is really the beginning of what the game has to offer. I apologize if I was misleading with the time frame part.Follow me if I advance, Kill me if I retreat, Avenge me if I die.
When this immediate evil power has been defeated, we shall not yet have won the long battle with the elemental barbarities. Another evil, it may be an invisible adversary, will attempt, again, and yet again, to destroy our frail civilization. Is it true, I wonder, that the only way to escape a war is to be in it?
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Iago✭✭✭✭✭I'm not an expert, but why would being able to buy an end game character be "bad"? If we assume that there is a max level (VR14), why is it bad to allow VR14 ALT purchases? That is NOT P2W (in my mind). Buying something you cannot get in the game that gives you an advantage is P2W (special armor, weapons, spells, etc.). Today, any player can advance to VR14, via many paths.
I know you feel this "cheapens' your in game efforts, but thats how I feel about grinders who max leveled the first day ESO went live. Would it be wrong for me to pay my 16 year old son $40 to level my character to VR14 for me? Would that hurt the game in some way?
because once people by end game toon then they buy endgame gear and Champion points and skill points and quest rewards and then there is no point in doing anything because it will be provided by Willie Wonks in his Can,,,, Crown Store.That which we obtain to cheap we esteem to lightly, it is dearness only that gives everything its value.
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✭✭✭I actually would NOT like this to happen. This begins the feed into p2w, and most of the community here does NOT want that. I understand it's rough not having time to level, but, once vet ranks are removed, this won't be much of a problem for you.Unfortunate magicka warden main.
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Bouvin✭✭✭✭✭
✭Absolutely not! This is the very definition of pay-to-win. You could always wait for vet levels to get removed, it doesn't take that long for 1-50.
But if you don't have enough time then honestly I don't think MMOs are for you. Sorry but it's just true.
Your definition of "Pay to Win" and ZOS's might differ.
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Bouvin✭✭✭✭✭
✭This feeling will get worse in 1.6. You want a mountain of grind, with tiny incremental rewards? Then you want the champion system, my friend.
But don't worry. While the typical player will take 6-8 hours, while enlightened, to gain 1 CP (current rate on PTS) they'll offer boosters in the Cash Shop that bring it down to 1 hour.
So you only have to buy 3,600 of those boosters at $2 a piece to cut your time by 75%.0 -
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✭Der_Deutsche_Hase wrote: »
If your play time is limited you won't get as far as players who invest more time into the game. And the circumstances of other players' available spare time do not matter at all. I hope that ZOS will never introduce such level skipping purchases as available in WoW.
I have limited play time as well due to a 9-5 job and my highest char is VR11. I'm absolutely happy with that and will work on progression whenever I've got the time. Should I never reach VR14, so be it; it's only a game.
Cracks me up when people say they have limited time because of a 40-hour a week job. LOL
Try working 60 hours a week with 4 kids at home and see how much time you have to play.
Still doesn't mean they should be selling max-level characters. That's just dumb and eliminates the point of the game.
Of course, with all the self-esteem boosting soccer mommies out there declaring sports can't have a winning team, because everyone is a winner, and high school basketball coaches getting suspended because their team won by too many points, it's not surprising that MMOs are starting to cater to those who feel entitled to a max level character without actually playing the game.3 -
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Me? I'd never buy levels; but I imagine most of you already HAVE. They are called rings of Mara (?). They speed up your leveling, which is exactly what the OP wanted; only he wanted to pay more for even faster leveling.
LOL! The Mara rings give only a 10% boost to XP gain, you have to use up one of your equipment slots to wear them, and you have to be playing, in a group, with your partner, who is also using up one of their item slots to equip the ring.
How on earth is that in any way the same as buying a max level character? The OP did not want to pay for faster leveling. If he wanted to do that he could sub and get 10% increased XP AND gold. He wanted to pay to skip leveling altogether.
Not the same thing.Heals With Stick, V11 Argonian Nightblade Healer, NA-EP0 -
Heruthema✭✭✭✭You can call it by what ever name you want but what you are proposing is PAY to WIN.
Sorry you do not have the time to get there but PAY to WIN is an ugly beast to open up.0
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