Wormwood vs. 'Worms'

djlucas69 · January 2015

So im just outside of Shad Astula in Deshaan and I try to pick up some Wormwood because at level 22 its like the 7th ingredient i've ever seen, & instead I get 3 Worms. Whats Up With That?

Iago · January 2015

djlucas69 wrote: »

So im just outside of Shad Astula in Deshaan and I try to pick up some Wormwood because at level 22 its like the 7th ingredient i've ever seen, & instead I get 3 Worms. Whats Up With That?

Someone looted the plant and left the worms people do that all the time an its annoying

Artemiisia · January 2015

some people are looting the wormwood, and leaving the worms in the node

some pick the whole thing up, so others dont run up to an "empty" node

djlucas69 · January 2015

is it wrong to think that its kind of funny even though I would like to have gotten some Wormwood myself?

kieso · January 2015

djlucas69 wrote: »

is it wrong to think that its kind of funny even though I would like to have gotten some Wormwood myself?

heck no, worms are icky!

Iago · January 2015

kieso wrote: »

djlucas69 wrote: »

is it wrong to think that its kind of funny even though I would like to have gotten some Wormwood myself?

heck no, worms are icky!

But they taste ok at least they did when I was in grade school

djlucas69 · January 2015

mmmmmmmm worms........

Iago · January 2015

djlucas69 wrote: »

mmmmmmmm worms........

I used to say I was doing it to gross out girls but looking back now I am pretty sure I just wanted their attention

Psychobunni · January 2015

What would be really awesome is if they could set a # on it. Like every 5th plant you do that to....bounty on your head.

Nestor · January 2015

Funny thing, Worms have value. I sell stacks of them all the time. When Fish can be used for Food, then they will only increase in value.

djlucas69 · January 2015

when i first posted i had a feeling that this could lead to something, i like whats happening here.

Iago · January 2015

djlucas69 wrote: »

when i first posted i had a feeling that this could lead to something, i like whats happening here.

I apologize I did not mean to hijack your thread.

djlucas69 · January 2015

no apology needed. please continue.. with more detail.....

OrangeTheCat · January 2015

djlucas69 wrote: »

So im just outside of Shad Astula in Deshaan and I try to pick up some Wormwood because at level 22 its like the 7th ingredient i've ever seen, & instead I get 3 Worms. Whats Up With That?

You need to look very closely at the worms. Pro tip: use a magnifying glass.

djlucas69 · January 2015

I mean honestly.. if there is ever gonna be a wormwood/worms thread it has to be right here right now. Lets make history.

Ourorboros · January 2015

Whether 'leaving the worm' irritates you or not depends on how you view worms. I'm with Nestor...I'm happy to take the worms. They are the hardest bait to come by, so they sell well and as Nestor pointed out, this should only get better with fish as a food now. Some think cherry-picking a node is 'wrong', others defend the practice, there are a number of threads on the topic, with neither side giving way...see my first sentence. But cherry-pickers pay the same for their sub, just as entitled to their behavior as any other legal behavior. Nothing in TOS prohibits the act. I always get a kick out of people who rant against cherry-pickers.

MasterSpatula · January 2015

Ourorboros wrote: »

Some think cherry-picking a node is 'wrong', others defend the practice,

I mean, there are worse things in the world than harvesting and leaving the worms; it really doesn't make a big difference in the world or the game. It's a pretty minor offense, but it's still an offense--it's still an activity exclusively performed by selfish jerks.

Ourorboros · January 2015

MasterSpatula wrote: »

Ourorboros wrote: »

Some think cherry-picking a node is 'wrong', others defend the practice,

I mean, there are worse things in the world than harvesting and leaving the worms; it really doesn't make a big difference in the world or the game. It's a pretty minor offense, but it's still an offense--it's still an activity exclusively performed by selfish jerks.

That's just your opinion, and it's probably a majority opinion. But it's still just an opinion. Cherry-pickers have a different opinion, just as valid, just opposed to yours. Personally, I hate to harvest 'plump worms', as they have no use for me. But I will, then destroy them. But as I was leveling, and bag space was tighter, I left them and felt no guilt.

Lord_Kreegan · January 2015

MasterSpatula wrote: »

I mean, there are worse things in the world than harvesting and leaving the worms; it really doesn't make a big difference in the world or the game. It's a pretty minor offense, but it's still an offense--it's still an activity exclusively performed by selfish jerks.

That's a rather arrogant statement, don't you think?

Reality check; we've all got limited bag space, especially at lower levels. If a player doesn't fish, why would he/she waste the bag space on worms, bug parts, centipedes, and other such stuff? At higher levels, even with maximum bag space, it's common to loot a chest, take the gold, and leave the items that aren't useful or worth deconstructing... same principle.

Now, it might be convenient to you if players would loot everything and then spend the time to open their inventory to drag stuff out and delete it, one-by-one, but it's simpler to never pick the stuff up to begin with.

So that's what most people do... it's the most logical thing to do. How are they being selfish jerks? Just because you then click on the plant and find only worms? It seems you're the one being selfish by expecting them to play the way that is convenient to you instead of the "logical way".

What is needed is a button that automatically deletes stuff you don't want or a timer that deletes stuff left behind, but ZOS didn't include that. So we're stuck with what we've got.

UrQuan · January 2015

Lord_Kreegan wrote: »

How are they being selfish jerks? Just because you then click on the plant and find only worms? It seems you're the one being selfish by expecting them to play the way that is convenient to you instead of the "logical way".

No. By leaving the "non-useful" stuff rather than looting it and then destroying it, you're ensuring that the node won't respawn. By ensuring that the node won't respawn you're denying other players useful materials, all so that you don't have to go through the incredibly minor inconvenience of destroying something that you don't want.

In order to save yourself a very minor inconvenience, you're cheating other players out of valuable resources. That is the very definition of selfish. Your "logical way" is only logical if you feel that you are more important than everyone else playing the game, and that the 1 second it takes you to destroy a stack of items you don't want is therefore worth more than letting someone else get some valuable materials that they may have been actively hunting for.

@MasterSpatula is exactly right on this topic. Both in regard to the severity of the offense (it's minor), and in regard to the underlying cause (selfishness).

Ourorboros · January 2015

Geez, not looking to get banned again, but it's BS to stigmatize cherry-pickers as selfish. First, this is a game. As long as TOS is not violated, anything goes. Saying a behavior is selfish because it doesn't line up with your values in a game is arrogant. This behavior would likely never exist if bag space wasn't limited, and game mechanics didn't have something to do with it. ZO$ didn't have to put worms in these nodes, and could make nodes refresh once the mat is gone. So, plenty of blame to go around besides cherry-pickers. I may do it more, cuz I know it POs self-righteous tools, and makes me feel more like an outlaw.

UrQuan · January 2015

Ourorboros wrote: »

Geez, not looking to get banned again, but it's BS to stigmatize cherry-pickers as selfish. First, this is a game. As long as TOS is not violated, anything goes.

Whether something is against the TOS or not has exactly nothing to do with whether it's selfish.

self·ish
ˈselfiSH/
adjective
adjective: selfish

(of a person, action, or motive) lacking consideration for others; concerned chiefly with one's own personal profit or pleasure.

People who leave worms, crawlers, etc are doing it without consideration for others who are inconvenienced by it, and are rather concerned with their own personal profit or pleasure (ie. they don't want the slight inconvenience of either filling up their inventory or taking the second or two to destroy the items they don't want). That is quite literally the definition of selfish.

Ourorboros wrote: »

Saying a behavior is selfish because it doesn't line up with your values in a game is arrogant. This behavior would likely never exist if bag space wasn't limited, and game mechanics didn't have something to do with it. ZO$ didn't have to put worms in these nodes, and could make nodes refresh once the mat is gone. So, plenty of blame to go around besides cherry-pickers. I may do it more, cuz I know it POs self-righteous tools, and makes me feel more like an outlaw.

Why the behavior exists also has exactly nothing to do with whether it's selfish.

Like I said before, though, it's not a big deal and not worth anyone getting worked up about it. Trying to argue that it's not selfish, though, is laughable.

MasterSpatula · January 2015

Ourorboros wrote: »

may do it more, cuz I know it POs self-righteous tools, and makes me feel more like an outlaw.

Way to bolster your "I'm not a selfish jerk" line, there.

AlexDougherty · January 2015

Artemiisia wrote: »

some people are looting the wormwood, and leaving the worms in the node

some pick the whole thing up, so others dont run up to an "empty" node

Yeah, I even suggested a way to punish people who do it regularly (basically everytime you do it you get a increase of1% of getting nothing) but it didn't happen. Which is a shame because it's antisocial and now game is going B2P it will happen even more.

Enodoc · January 2015

Dustman is very useful for this. It destroys bait if you tell it to.

What I would like to see though is a node despawning after a short time if the resource itself is gone and only bugs are left.

Rodario · January 2015

I would rather get worms than wormwood, or almost any alchemical ingredient for that matter, seeing as worms are one of the rarest resources out there.

Digiman · January 2015

Iago wrote: »

djlucas69 wrote: »

So im just outside of Shad Astula in Deshaan and I try to pick up some Wormwood because at level 22 its like the 7th ingredient i've ever seen, & instead I get 3 Worms. Whats Up With That?

Someone looted the plant and left the worms people do that all the time an its annoying

They need to remove the worm from the plants and give them a different node.

AlexDougherty · January 2015

Enodoc wrote: »

Dustman is very useful for this. It destroys bait if you tell it to.

What I would like to see though is a node despawning after a short time if the resource itself is gone and only bugs are left.

That would work as well, I have supported this idea everytime someone has made it, you would think ZOS would take a hint and make the change.

Iago · January 2015

djlucas69 wrote: »

no apology needed. please continue.. with more detail.....

Theres really not much more to it than that

Ourorboros · January 2015

Cherry pickers have had the spirit of the justice system long before it was even discussed. They are like outlaws. Call them anti-social if you want, but they are, and will continue to be part of the flavor of the game. They fit in even more now with advent of Justice system. You cannot stop them or control them, so be prepared to get PO'd. Or learn to accept them, maybe start selling worms (pure profit). If I see a worm only node, I walk away happy with worm in my bag. If you walk away mad/whatever from worm node, it's all on you.

AlexDougherty · January 2015

Ourorboros wrote: »

Cherry pickers have had the spirit of the justice system long before it was even discussed. They are like outlaws. Call them anti-social if you want, but they are, and will continue to be part of the flavor of the game. They fit in even more now with advent of Justice system. You cannot stop them or control them, so be prepared to get PO'd. Or learn to accept them, maybe start selling worms (pure profit). If I see a worm only node, I walk away happy with worm in my bag. If you walk away mad/whatever from worm node, it's all on you.

I know what you mean, but with the B2P crowd coming in it's only going to get worse, and I doubt many of them will want to fish, which will aggravate it even further.

Which is why they need to do something about it.