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Maxing Out The Constellations - The Actual Numbers
Humanistic
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You would need 7,200 CP (Champion Points) to max out EVERY constellation.
If you average say 2 CP per day, by doing the Cyrodil quest hubs (all four, Cheydinhal, Burma, Vlastarus, Cropsford). You can make about 930,000 xp per day, give or take a few ten-thousand, depending on how many monsters you kill.
This would also take probably about 4-6 hours, depending on PvP status in the campaign; getting, ganked, etc.
If you are diligent and do this EVERY SINGLE DAY it would take you 9.86 YEARS to max out all the constellations.
If you manage to get 10 CP per day, then it would take you about 2 years to max them out...
By the way, this is all if you are in an "Enlightened" state, which they have confirmed does not last forever.
Thoughts? I think they should cut the CP xp gain in half.
If you average say 2 CP per day, by doing the Cyrodil quest hubs (all four, Cheydinhal, Burma, Vlastarus, Cropsford). You can make about 930,000 xp per day, give or take a few ten-thousand, depending on how many monsters you kill.
This would also take probably about 4-6 hours, depending on PvP status in the campaign; getting, ganked, etc.
If you are diligent and do this EVERY SINGLE DAY it would take you 9.86 YEARS to max out all the constellations.
If you manage to get 10 CP per day, then it would take you about 2 years to max them out...
By the way, this is all if you are in an "Enlightened" state, which they have confirmed does not last forever.
Thoughts? I think they should cut the CP xp gain in half.
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starkerealm✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Humanistic wrote: »You would need 7,200 CP (Champion Points) to max out EVERY constellation.
3,600. There are 36 stars that actually take points. The remaining 36 unlock automatically, provide a fixed bonus, and don't consume points.12 -
Gemseed✭✭✭Humanistic wrote: »I think they should cut the CP xp gain in half.
Will you look at that... They already did!5 -
goldnugget✭✭✭so u need about 1,440,000,000 xp if someone did not get the 70 points at 200k/cp and only gets the future points at 400k. with some aoe grinding with a buddy in Rkundzelft, especially if you have mara, u can get 900k/hour of xp which i think is the fastest possible. with this it would take still close to 133 days of grinding with 12 hours a day! this system is a ridiculous grind. keep in mind that they will add xp boosters to the cash shop and charge players real money for a really large stat advantage over other players, making the game pay 2 win. if they add something like a 2x booster, then that 2-3 years of regular play might turn into about 2 months of grinding. if paying real money for large stat boosts isnt pay2win idk what is.Edited by goldnugget on January 29, 2015 5:17AM1 -
I love the fact, that it takes so long! I mean it is not really supposed to be maxed out soon, like a level cap. I think it is awesome.19 -
Ethona✭✭✭Humanistic wrote: »You would need 7,200 CP (Champion Points) to max out EVERY constellation.
If you average say 2 CP per day, by doing the Cyrodil quest hubs (all four, Cheydinhal, Burma, Vlastarus, Cropsford). You can make about 930,000 xp per day, give or take a few ten-thousand, depending on how many monsters you kill.
This would also take probably about 4-6 hours, depending on PvP status in the campaign; getting, ganked, etc.
If you are diligent and do this EVERY SINGLE DAY it would take you 9.86 YEARS to max out all the constellations.
If you manage to get 10 CP per day, then it would take you about 2 years to max them out...
By the way, this is all if you are in an "Enlightened" state, which they have confirmed does not last forever.
Thoughts? I think they should cut the CP xp gain in half.
Not to worry for this game is B2P now with a store lol! I'm guessing that ZoS may sell some sort of XP potion (at some point perhaps) which would go a long way of making them some money and getting players those Champion Points!
Edited by Ethona on January 29, 2015 5:05AM1 -
Hortator Mopa✭✭✭✭Yea this is dumb, I play games to 100% complete them and I had 95% of all the achievements done prior to this stupid system.
I cant play THAT much and even if I could I wouldn't. They need to lower it a lot so people who want to play as a completionist dont get ruined and quit the game. (I am fine with slow progression but this is never ending, 9,5,4 far out even 1 year + grind is stupid asf.)
The fears that people show above (that they will implement cash shop items to boost the exp) are going to come true, its so obvious.
"Convenience" exp pots incoming.
Yawn this game is getting really hard to keep playing...Edited by Hortator Mopa on January 29, 2015 5:11AM20 -
starkerealm✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Hortator Mopa wrote: »Yawn this game is getting really hard to keep playing...
Yeah, you wouldn't say that if you'd actually experienced the Justice System yet...
Anyway, theoretically the system is supposed to be tuned for a CP per hour... at least with the enlightenment bonus. So, that carves down the overhead a lot.0 -
PBpsy✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭So how much will that be in crowns and USD?
ESO forums achievementsProud fanboiElitist jerkTrollHaterFan of icontested(rainbow colors granted)13 -
Hortator Mopa✭✭✭✭So how much will that be in crowns and USD?
looool.starkerealm wrote: »Hortator Mopa wrote: »Yawn this game is getting really hard to keep playing...
Yeah, you wouldn't say that if you'd actually experienced the Justice System yet...
Anyway, theoretically the system is supposed to be tuned for a CP per hour... at least with the enlightenment bonus. So, that carves down the overhead a lot.
Are you saying that a element such as the justice system will make up for destroying the total remainder of the game haha?8 -
Celless✭✭✭Hortator Mopa wrote: »Yea this is dumb, I play games to 100% complete them and I had 95% of all the achievements done prior to this stupid system.
I cant play THAT much and even if I could I wouldn't. They need to lower it a lot so people who want to play as a completionist dont get ruined and quit the game. (I am fine with slow progression but this is never ending, 9,5,4 far out even 1 year + grind is stupid asf.)
The fears that people show above (that they will implement cash shop items to boost the exp) are going to come true, its so obvious.
"Convenience" exp pots incoming.
Yawn this game is getting really hard to keep playing...
Can't tell if serious. If not, my radar is broken.
Also, can't tell if you're a real completionist or just an achievement completionist. e.g. reading lorebooks, reading non-lorebooks, replaying quests to see how different choices play out, speaking to NPCs that have no quest related to them through different phases of a quest, etc. Or just, achievement - got it - go to the next one.
If you're the latter, know that if you leave the game, new achievements will arise and you won't be at 100% again. Not to add to any self-imposed anguish or anything, I just genuinely cannot relate.5 -
Hortator Mopa✭✭✭✭^ I am the second, I understand that thus why being at 95% was good and fair, I could get to 100% or close and then when they release new stuff I can do the same and get close to done if not 100% before the next update.
HOWEVER
With the new system it will be impossible to complete it.
Dont see how thats hard to understand even when you dont relate.3 -
Hortator Mopa✭✭✭✭I understand the feat being distant, just not being upset over it part.
I am not upset I just think it is dumb to add things to a game that cant be completed.
*edit* without having no life and doing a 6-12 hour grind a day for 5+ yearsEdited by Hortator Mopa on January 29, 2015 5:42AM3 -
starkerealm✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Hortator Mopa wrote: »With the new system it will be impossible to complete it.
Well, becoming Emperor was never really in the cards, was it?
Seriously though...
The original post.THE REAL ACTUAL HARD NUMBERS TO GET EVERYTHING EVER
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Celless✭✭✭For the achievements relating to the Champion System, it looks like you'll need about 900 out of the 3600 points available. Although not super great, I suspect about 830 or so more to go. Not sure how many one will get while going for the Justice System achievements.
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* Spend first point
* Spend 300 CP in Mage
* Spend 300 CP in Thief
* Spend 300 CP in Warrior
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Although I would also say that it may be time for a hiatus if the game is not enjoyable. Especially if there may be another achievement heavy game to sink your teeth into while this game expands content over the next few months.Edited by Celless on January 29, 2015 5:57AM0 -
Hortator Mopa✭✭✭✭starkerealm wrote: »Hortator Mopa wrote: »With the new system it will be impossible to complete it.
Well, becoming Emperor was never really in the cards, was it?
Seriously though...
The original post.THE REAL ACTUAL HARD NUMBERS TO GET EVERYTHING EVER
*derps up the very first number*
emp was a effort related thing, you spend x effort you get it,
this is RESTRAINED to time, over effort.
For example to do 100 pledges takes 100 days. It does not change due to effort.4 -
Brittany_Joy✭✭✭✭Wow, it only takes a few short 9.86 YEARS to max out the Constellations! Amazing, I believe that is too fast and needs to be increased!8 -
starkerealm✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Hortator Mopa wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »Hortator Mopa wrote: »With the new system it will be impossible to complete it.
Well, becoming Emperor was never really in the cards, was it?
Seriously though...
The original post.THE REAL ACTUAL HARD NUMBERS TO GET EVERYTHING EVER
*derps up the very first number*
emp was a effort related thing, you spend x effort you get it,
this is RESTRAINED to time, over effort.
For example to do 100 pledges takes 100 days. It does not change due to effort.
No, if you find a good grind system, it's still constrained by effort. The target to hit is stratospheric, but it's not impossible. Incedentally, with these specific achievements, using alts won't matter, so you can get more variety in there than you would on something like Dolmen achievements.
Also, having eight characters close to 50 when this pops would be wise. Since, apparently, you'll get double credit running them to 14 between when 1.6 hits, and when the Vet ranks disappear.0 -
Hortator Mopa✭✭✭✭Brittany_Joy wrote: »Wow, it only takes a few short 9.86 YEARS to max out the Constellations! Amazing, I believe that is too fast and needs to be increased!
Some people actually think like that. Its a sad place.Edited by Hortator Mopa on January 29, 2015 5:59AM2 -
starkerealm✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Hortator Mopa wrote: »Brittany_Joy wrote: »Wow, it only takes a few short 9.86 YEARS to max out the Constellations! Amazing, I believe that is too fast and needs to be increased!
Some people actually think like that. Its a sad place.
Yeah, I couldn't even tell if the original poster was joking or not.0 -
TheShadowScout✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I think some people don't quite realize this system is not supposed to be "maxed out" anytime. The way I see it, it is supposed to provide continual gain as you play, throughout a great many (hopefully) planned future expansions of ESO... So I for one am rather happy it will not get filled anytime soon, but continue to provide growth for our characters.
Also, they way I see it, not every skill in the consteallations is desirable for any character. So people will prioritize... choose those best suited for their playstyle, and only move on to less useful effects once they fill their wish list.
Of course... the actual rate of gain may face some adjustments in the coming times, as the developers decide. But I doubt it will ever be something anyone can max out in a few weeks hard grinding, that would defeat the whole purpose of the system I think...10 -
Hortator Mopa✭✭✭✭TheShadowScout wrote: »I think some people don't quite realize this system is not supposed to be "maxed out" anytime. The way I see it, it is supposed to provide continual gain as you play, throughout a great many (hopefully) planned future expansions of ESO... So I for one am rather happy it will not get filled anytime soon, but continue to provide growth for our characters.
Also, they way I see it, not every skill in the consteallations is desirable for any character. So people will prioritize... choose those best suited for their playstyle, and only move on to less useful effects once they fill their wish list.
Of course... the actual rate of gain may face some adjustments in the coming times, as the developers decide. But I doubt it will ever be something anyone can max out in a few weeks hard grinding, that would defeat the whole purpose of the system I think...
2 weeks, 9 maybe 10 years, No difference.0 -
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It is a joke...Hortator Mopa wrote: »Brittany_Joy wrote: »Wow, it only takes a few short 9.86 YEARS to max out the Constellations! Amazing, I believe that is too fast and needs to be increased!
Some people actually think like that. Its a sad place.
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starkerealm✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Brittany_Joy wrote: »
It is a joke...Hortator Mopa wrote: »Brittany_Joy wrote: »Wow, it only takes a few short 9.86 YEARS to max out the Constellations! Amazing, I believe that is too fast and needs to be increased!
Some people actually think like that. Its a sad place.
It can be hard to tell sometimes. No offense.0 -
Brittany_Joy✭✭✭✭
It just takes some comprehension to figure it out, it isn't hard. No one will ever be happy about waiting 9.86 years to max out a skill. Most MMORPGs do not have a lifespan of over 9 years. Obviously, a joke. If I have to explain a simple joke. I am very sad.starkerealm wrote: »Brittany_Joy wrote: »
It is a joke...Hortator Mopa wrote: »Brittany_Joy wrote: »Wow, it only takes a few short 9.86 YEARS to max out the Constellations! Amazing, I believe that is too fast and needs to be increased!
Some people actually think like that. Its a sad place.
It can be hard to tell sometimes. No offense.
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Hortator Mopa✭✭✭✭Brittany_Joy wrote: »
It just takes some comprehension to figure it out, it isn't hard. No one will ever be happy about waiting 9.86 years to max out a skill. Most MMORPGs do not have a lifespan of over 9 years. Obviously, a joke. If I have to explain a simple joke. I am very sad.starkerealm wrote: »Brittany_Joy wrote: »
It is a joke...Hortator Mopa wrote: »Brittany_Joy wrote: »Wow, it only takes a few short 9.86 YEARS to max out the Constellations! Amazing, I believe that is too fast and needs to be increased!
Some people actually think like that. Its a sad place.
It can be hard to tell sometimes. No offense.
Oh what someone didnt know it was a joke lololol?
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Leeric✭✭✭✭Considering each new point has diminished returns it really won't matter to much if you don't max them out.
Oh you spent months grinding points and have 3% extra stamina....woooo *slow claps.
Now the passives are another story, but most of them weren't anything to outrageous. I say "most" as in theres a couple that are completely useless in terms of combat also.3 -
starkerealm✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Brittany_Joy wrote: »
It just takes some comprehension to figure it out, it isn't hard. No one will ever be happy about waiting 9.86 years to max out a skill. Most MMORPGs do not have a lifespan of over 9 years. Obviously, a joke. If I have to explain a simple joke. I am very sad.starkerealm wrote: »Brittany_Joy wrote: »
It is a joke...Hortator Mopa wrote: »Brittany_Joy wrote: »Wow, it only takes a few short 9.86 YEARS to max out the Constellations! Amazing, I believe that is too fast and needs to be increased!
Some people actually think like that. Its a sad place.
It can be hard to tell sometimes. No offense.
Sad fact is? Yeah, those people do exist. They freak me the hell out, but they're there. Saying, "no, we gain XP too fast, I want to have to work towards level 20 like it's AD&D, oh let me tell you about my Kinder Bard I had once..."1 -
TheShadowScout✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭It's important to have a fast enough progression to see your character improve noticably, true. But we have that with levels up to 50...
The champion system may be slow in comparison, though I think considering that each ChP counts for up to 8 characters... that makes it much better then some other games I can think of where you have to play the endgame grind each time for every alt...
Seen from that PoV, it sounds more reasonable. Add the notion of continuing growth no matter what content they might want to introduce down the road... I can easily see quests coming someday that will award bonus ChP on completion if they notice CS progression for the average player is slower then they thought if would be...3