Please please improve the RNG

Joejudas · January 2015

I got this from my Undaunted Vet14 daily. Its really discouraging to get stuff like this for a Gold turn in key. I ran a raid that required me to use expensive weapon pots and pay for repairs....i could have just made that staff for less than the cost of me running the dungeon. Please fix your RNG its driving us from the game.

Smaxx · January 2015

Haven't opened any undaunted box so far (since I want to wait till I finally reach VR 14), but I think it's a bit hit or miss and that's required. Consider that it's a daily task. You can repeat it every day.

So if they'd add one of the special set items for every day, people would complete them in no time and at the same time flood the market with it.

It might be discouraging to get some bad stuff, but at the same time it makes those days where you get something good even better (if you get a unique every day it's nothing special anymore).

It's the same for the crafting writs. Some days there's tons of stuff in there, on some other days there's a white staff you can sell for 70 gold...

Joejudas · January 2015

I have run dailies almost everyday since dailies have been a thing...not one shoulder. Not....a....single.....one......-____-

Joejudas · January 2015

I'm not the only one either

Wreuntzylla · January 2015

That's really depressing. Every day? Ugh.

Joejudas · January 2015

Alot more than is probably a healthy amount. It's not just the Undaunted dailies though. Its needs improving. I'm not going to be forced into PvP. Doing dalies and Trials and getting gear I already have stacks of for months is starting to wear out my patience. Am I the only one who feels like this ?

Koensol · January 2015

Itemization and loot are one of the most messed up parts of this game. It's like the developers just don't want to reward you. Its been like this since launch and they still think rewarding you with crap items is okay. Lots of my friends have left over this, untill I'm the only one left basically. Its this basic mmo stuff that is broken in this game that is driving so much people away.

WolfingHour · January 2015

Joejudas wrote: »

I got this from my Undaunted Vet14 daily. Its really discouraging to get stuff like this for a Gold turn in key. I ran a raid that required me to use expensive weapon pots and pay for repairs....i could have just made that staff for less than the cost of me running the dungeon. Please fix your RNG its driving us from the game.

I agree with this so much it hurts. The only thing worst is finally getting that piece just to be a weird trait/weight combo.

daemonios · January 2015

So, OP is complaining he ran ONE veteran dungeon and dindn't get phat l00tz? LOL! I agree some areas of RNG need addressing, but honestly, complaining that ONE run didn't yield top end-game gear (if undaunted sets even qualify as that) is a bit over the top...

In any case, yes I agree those undaunted sets should be reviewed. It's nearly impossible to get the one you want, in the armor type you want, with the trait you want.

Other areas that should be addressed are fishing and collectibles. It's been 9 months and I think I'm missing 90% of collectibles. As for fishing, I haven't even bothered much because it takes so long and you can't do anything else while you're at it.

Joejudas · January 2015

daemonios wrote: »

So, OP is complaining he ran ONE veteran dungeon and dindn't get phat l00tz? LOL! I agree some areas of RNG need addressing, but honestly, complaining that ONE run didn't yield top end-game gear (if undaunted sets even qualify as that) is a bit over the top...

In any case, yes I agree those undaunted sets should be reviewed. It's nearly impossible to get the one you want, in the armor type you want, with the trait you want.

Other areas that should be addressed are fishing and collectibles. It's been 9 months and I think I'm missing 90% of collectibles. As for fishing, I haven't even bothered much because it takes so long and you can't do anything else while you're at it.

No you didn't comprehend it correctly....I have got a single shoulder since dailies launched

manny254 · January 2015

Well that's how random works. It is theoretically possible that you could run these for the rest of your life and never get one, but it's also possible you get one every time. This is just the nature of RNG so saying improve it really means nothing. They could improve the chance by one percent and you may never notice.

Ahdora · January 2015

I, too, was saving my gold keys, as another poster above mentioned. When I decided to cancel my sub, however, I logged in and used them all (40 of them) just to see what I'd get.

I got a ton of junk, along with:

1x Bogdan shoulders (in light, with Divines), 9 keys in *that's what I wanted*
3x Valkyn shoulders
1x Engine Guardian shoulders
2x Bloodspawn shoulders
2x Malubeth shoulders

No real point to this, I guess, except to illustrate how the drop rates are for the chest.

Sallington · January 2015

I feel like it wouldn't be hard to have bosses drop some type of undaunted currency to purchase undaunted gear with. If your RNG luck sucks, at least you can still get the gear if you put in the time.

Merlin13KAGL · January 2015

Purple, purple, almost religiously. The rate should go up the closer to or higher than level you run it, at least.

Otherwise, if you're not farming the helms, there is no justifiable reason to pledge above VR1, since the key levels no matter what.

Factor in the glitches and the pain of finding groups occasionally. Kind of lessens the desired effect after a while.

And that, OP, is while having better luck than you have had. That just sucks.

I'd venture to say when complete a pledge achieve (not just a pledge), next gold key should guarantee you a shoulder piece.

Running them religiously and getting nothing doesn't exactly inspire.

Shadesofkin · January 2015

Part of the problem with these drops is that we're almost all wearing named or crafted name sets. A nightwood staff of blah that's epic level is grand if we needed it, but we don't. It won't improve our dps, heals, or defense ratings and it will cut into our thought out crafted sets. If you want to drop loot for us, it's awesome that you're making it epic, but for the love of all things decent, make it worth something to us, make us have to choose it over what we've already decided.

Maybe I shouldn't get a shoulder piece every single time, but something better than a blank piece of armor or weapon would be preferable. How about dropping some chances at Soulshine, Warlock, Unassailable, Lords, for crying out loud make some new stuff if you don't want to give away those.

Magdalina · January 2015

Oh gods yes. RNG is...well, RNG. I took a friend of mine on her first ever pledge yesterday and she got light Valkyn Skoria shoulders that very run(sturdy but hey). She's a very happy DK now. I have a friend who's done 50+ pledges and doesn't have one Skoria shoulder(he's a very sad DK).

I have another friend who's got Bogdan shoulder and really wanted the helm...he ran Elden 300+ times by now, without exaggerating and still hasn't seen ONE helm(he's the saddest of them all). This is ridiculous.

I'm relatively lucky, got my favourite EG shoulders in light infused my very first pledge, "only" took me about 50 runs for light helmet(sturdy). It could be worse.

I don't think we should get a shoulder a day or a helm every run but this system needs at least a token alternative or something. It shouldn't be possible, at all, to run a dungeon 300 times and NOT get what you want.

eliisra · January 2015

manny254 wrote: »

Well that's how random works. It is theoretically possible that you could run these for the rest of your life and never get one, but it's also possible you get one every time. This is just the nature of RNG so saying improve it really means nothing. They could improve the chance by one percent and you may never notice.

True, they could increase the drop rate and I still wouldn't get the sets of my choice. Instead, lucky players, would get their loot even faster, get bored and stop running gold pledges.

I do feel that ESO loot distribution could use some more finesse. Think I've handed in about 170-200 gold keys by now (I can do them on 4 characters, having one of each class VR14).

So far :
Engine Guardian shoulders = 0
Spawn of Mephala = 0
Nerien'eth lich shoulder: 0

Ironically the ones I want.

Instead I have a crap load of Bogdan- and Valkyn Skoria's shoulders (good for the DK at least). I feel the actual head-drop rate is pretty decent at least, since you can farm those. I have an entire alt inventory filled with monsters heads by now. But hardly matters since I cant obtain shoulders. Cursed chests, weekly- and monthly leader board rewards, aren't very compatible with rng.

Merlin13KAGL · January 2015

@Magdalina‌ , was friend #3 a DK? If so, was he DPSing or tanking?

It's my understanding there is a hidden mechanism regarding damage % done (or healing x 2 at same percentage) that increases the odds of getting the helm drops.

It's one of the reasons tanks tend to see the helm drops the least.

Joejudas · January 2015

I get that it's random....but have a .0000000000001 percent chance to get anything useful is useless

Magdalina · January 2015

@Merlin13KAGL, for a change friend #3 was a templar healer:)

And RNG could be smartened up, for helmets at least. Say if you run dungeon X once and get no helm drop, your droprate for THIS dungeon increases by maybe 5%. Or 3% at least. Same for every following run of dungeon X without helm. Stacks til 100%, resets as soon as you get a helmet. Still doesn't solve weight and trait issue, but at least you won't have run 300 dungeons for nothing. Or/and token system, especially for shoulders. 100% token chance(or just make golden the token or something), Y tokens for a shoulder piece of chosen set, Y*2 for chosen set, weight and trait. Something around these lines.

Merlin13KAGL · January 2015

@Magdalina‌ , they could work like upgrade mats...stack multiple gold keys on turn in to up the odds.

I'm torn on the helm thing. Obviously it needs improved.

On one hand, upping the odds daily based on no return would be one option - guaranteed after so long to get a version of the helm. The flip side of that says if it wasn't limited to once a day (the increase %), you could run the dungeon so many times in a row and get the helm.

To counter my own point, if you can complete the dungeon that many times in a row, I don't see why you shouldn't deserve the helm.

Even if they changed it so the main boss dropped a helm - perhaps not the guaranteed one for that dungeon? At the same time, that would end up excluding all but that particular dungeon in the rotation...

I've got more Infilitrator, Bastion, and Unweaver sets than I know what to do with.

It could simply be additive, similar to Damage Dealer, etc. Do so much damage/healing for a particular boss/dungeon, get a set piece (whether helm or shoulders).

I've gone through whole runs at high level and gotten nothing. I've come in on the last boss when someone else had bailed and gotten a lower version...

Undaunted gear is supposed to be earned, and I don't think anyone has an issue with that. But, agreed, the chances of getting what you need is absurd at the moment, and disheartening, to say the least.

GreyBrow · January 2015

Smaxx wrote: »

Haven't opened any undaunted box so far (since I want to wait till I finally reach VR 14), but I think it's a bit hit or miss and that's required. Consider that it's a daily task. You can repeat it every day.

So if they'd add one of the special set items for every day, people would complete them in no time and at the same time flood the market with it.

It might be discouraging to get some bad stuff, but at the same time it makes those days where you get something good even better (if you get a unique every day it's nothing special anymore).

It's the same for the crafting writs. Some days there's tons of stuff in there, on some other days there's a white staff you can sell for 70 gold...

Please educate yourself before you talk #&@*. All of the chest sets are BOP. It is impossible to flood the market with them.

Moreover, even if you got one drop EVERY DAY, it would still be like a 1/200 chance to get the particular piece you want. (8 traits * light/medium/heavy * 8 sets)

And even then, you're TWICE as likely to get a medium drop as a light and heavy COMBINED.

So if you're looking for a light armor mundus piece and you're not lucky, its gonna take you a year to get what you want... even if you were guarenteed a set piece in every chest

DDuke · January 2015

A Token or Reputation system for Undaunted and Need/Greed for Trials (and maybe DSAV as well) is what should happen.

Just my thoughts