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Dear Zenimax, You promised us Spell Crafting to open the Class Systems up.....
Malpherian
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Since 1.6 is going to be your last big update before consoles, and you are severely slowing down when and how many updates are going to go into the game for 2015, are you essentially saying that this required and needed feature is no longer on the table?
So Zennimax, is this going to be added after 1.6? You should also note that you are going to lose most of (the rest) of your player base if this is not added. As the Restricted class system was one of the main reasons you lost most of the TES Franchise following.
B2P wont even save this game then.
This game, could be great, I've always said that. The ESO franchise is Unique and open for the market, you could make billions, if only you all would get your collective heads out of your *&^holes.
* Your design principles is what caused the game to fail at launch.
* Your inability to listen to the players in alpha and Beta caused the masses not to purchase your game.
* Your continuing denial that your screwing up, is causing you even more damage.
DO NOT, fail. In this. Or the next game you release will flop before it even makes it off the shelf. DO NOT become another EA.
Edited by Malpherian on January 28, 2015 5:47PM So Zennimax, is this going to be added after 1.6? You should also note that you are going to lose most of (the rest) of your player base if this is not added. As the Restricted class system was one of the main reasons you lost most of the TES Franchise following.
B2P wont even save this game then.
This game, could be great, I've always said that. The ESO franchise is Unique and open for the market, you could make billions, if only you all would get your collective heads out of your *&^holes.
* Your design principles is what caused the game to fail at launch.
* Your inability to listen to the players in alpha and Beta caused the masses not to purchase your game.
* Your continuing denial that your screwing up, is causing you even more damage.
DO NOT, fail. In this. Or the next game you release will flop before it even makes it off the shelf. DO NOT become another EA.
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Reverb✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Did they promise? I remember reading that they were working on it for the future, but I don't remember seeing anywhere that they absolutely guaranteed that it would happen. Maybe I missed it.Battle not with monsters, lest ye become a monster, and if you gaze into the abyss, the abyss gazes also into you. ~Friedrich Nietzsche11 -
Malpherian✭✭✭✭✭Did they promise? I remember reading that they were working on it for the future, but I don't remember seeing anywhere that they absolutely guaranteed that it would happen. Maybe I missed it.
Yes, they stated clearly it was to be added in the 5th, (Or ) 6th update, but it never was and they just kind of dropped the ball on it and never mentioned it again.
This feature has been demanded by players since Alpha and Beta in Mass, and it is the only ray of hope they have for bringing the TES fanbois back in droves, because it essentially makes your class unlocked and 100% customizable (Just like the other TES games).
The "Classes" and their limitations and requirement to re-roll a character, was the reason the masses didn't sub after beta and the reason the release utterly flopped. It was a key component which was left out, which would make the game so much more then any other MMORPG. It should have been the priority update months ago.
Everyone on Twitter, Redit and other gaming sights were anticipating it, and then Zeni just.... left it by the wayside.
It seems every decision game wise which would bring them money, they seem to do the exact opposite. It's almost like they want the game to fail.
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Malpherian✭✭✭✭✭And now this with update 1.6 only being hal;f a justice system, and as Farell stated on redit, ("We have no plans for future major updates after 1.6") This means that they do not plan on even finishing it and adding the PvP side, nor the spell customization, nor any other actual Content.
I mean it's not even a finished game and they are just abandoning it.0 -
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✭That one they didn't really promise, and wouldn't expect anymore major updates till end of 2015 but most likely 2016 depending on how the cash shop works and console goes.
So lets hope update 6 is solid!Edited by RedTalon on January 25, 2015 5:11PM0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I wouldn't get my hopes up about spellcrafting, even if it came out tommorow. One thing I've learned about ZoS devs is that they're never gonna let Sorcerers kick their own Dragon Knights' asses. If spellcrafting allowed sorcs to make our own spells, we could finally have a reliable heal and an efficient instant cast damage spell, and the DK mafia just can't let that happen!#CAREBEARMASTERRACE4 -
Faulgor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Eric Wrobel confirmed that Spellcrafting is still coming.
http://reddit.com/r/elderscrollsonline/comments/2tfb48/welcome_to_the_eso_tamriel_unlimited_aua/cnyjp40
But Shor knows when.Alandrol Sul: He's making another Numidium?!?
Vivec: Worse, buddy. They're buying it.5 -
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✭✭I think spending most of the content updates thus far on rebuilding the game put a lot of other planned content on the back burner for ZOS, content that might have been released already had it not been for the necessary rebuild. Still really looking forward to Spellcrafting for my Sorc but who knows when that will even happen at this point.1 -
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✭✭✭✭Did they promise? I remember reading that they were working on it for the future, but I don't remember seeing anywhere that they absolutely guaranteed that it would happen. Maybe I missed it.
Some people want to convince unknowning players ZOS is a bunch of liars, go back on their word, and will rob them blind.
Telling people that ZOS promised this and promised that and has yet to deliver or gone back on the promises. Hoping people will get swept up in fear.
These are the same people at school, at work and in communities who spread rumors and lies to watch people go at it with each other. They enjoy watching drama and conflict.Edited by Korah_Eaglecry on January 25, 2015 5:18PMPenniless Sellsword CompanyCaptain Paramount - Jorrhaq VhentKorith Eaglecry * Enrerion Aedihle * Laerinel Rhaev * Caius Berilius * Seylina Ithvala * H'Vak the GrimjawlTenarei Rhaev * Dazsh Ro Khar * Yynril Rothvani * Bathes-In-Coin * Anaelle Faerniil * Azjani Ma'LesAban Shahid Bakr * Kheshna gra-Gharbuk * Gallisten Bondurant * Etain Maquier * Atsu Kalame * Faulpia SeverinusWhat is better, to be born good, or to overcome your evil nature through great effort? - Paarthurnax18 -
Malpherian✭✭✭✭✭Eric Wrobel confirmed that Spellcrafting is still coming.
http://reddit.com/r/elderscrollsonline/comments/2tfb48/welcome_to_the_eso_tamriel_unlimited_aua/cnyjp40
But Shor knows when.
Oh, well that's a relief then, I hope they plan on still adding the pvp stuff and finishing the justice system, seems a shame to leave a game half finished and then release it on console as such, I mean these are not "features" they are basically required game systems so that the game even functions and plays correctly experience and lore, rp wise..0 -
Abr4hn✭✭What is even funnier is that the OP thinks he can get a refund from the bank that issued his credit card... because Zenimax "promised". Yow.6 -
timidobserver✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭The OP is the type of player that causes ZOS to be tight lipped. They can't freely show us what they are working on or considering until they know 100% when it will release.
I wish more people were able to be shown a peek into what we may or may not get without getting belligerent when it isn't in the game a month or 2 later.V16 Uriel Stormblessed EP Magicka Templar(main)
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Malpherian✭✭✭✭✭Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »Did they promise? I remember reading that they were working on it for the future, but I don't remember seeing anywhere that they absolutely guaranteed that it would happen. Maybe I missed it.
Some people want to convince unknowning players ZOS is a bunch of liars, go back on their word, and will rob them blind.
Telling people that ZOS promised this and promised that and has yet to deliver or gone back on the promises. Hoping people will get swept up in fear.
These are the same people at school, at work and in communities who spread rumors and lies to watch people go at it with each other. They enjoy watching drama and conflict.
While that may be true for some I have been around since Alpha. I remember vividly what went on and what has been said of the last Year 1/2, 2 years. Farell himself is the one who made the promise about spell-crafting on redit, he stated clearly "This is coming, and This will Happen".
Just like I told everyone 6 months ago when Sleeping Giant got involved, that the game would go F2p or B2p in the next 6 months to a year, People like you flamed me then, and called me a lier and stupid.
Guess what, I was exactly right. I do my research and I know WTF I am talking about. Especially with something like TES which is a franchise I have been in love with for damn near 10 years (if not longer) (Since Arena and Daggerfall).
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Malpherian✭✭✭✭✭timidobserver wrote: »The OP is the type of player that causes ZOS to be tight lipped. They can't freely show us what they are working on or considering until they know 100% when it will release.
I wish more people were able to be shown a peek into what we may or may not get without getting belligerent when it isn't in the game a month or 2 later.
A comment from someone of importance like Ferrel, stating "No more Major Updates will occur after 1.6" is reason to fret when the game is obviously not finished, and a spell crafting system, and the PvP side of the justice system can both be considered "Major" updates.
ZOS is tight lipped not because of players like me, as I don;t need them to tell me what they are doing to know (most of the time). Zos is tight lipped because almost ALL companies are as a policy and have very restricting GM, Forum Admin Policies which prevent them from being anything but vague without expressed permission.
CCP, and Red5 being the exception.
- (Red5 is Firefall, in which the devs actively play the game and even belong to guilds and will chat with you openly about what they are working on and it's progress or lack there of)
- (CCP is EvE Online, and while not as Open about development, as Red5 Devs, they do play the game hold open events, and chat it up with the players, even belonging to Player Corps. CCP does however have a CSM Councile made up of Players which they fly to Iceland twice a year to advise them on and discuss game-play and future development with.)
Both of these games have the mentality that the player base is their greatest resource, and they use it as such and people love them for it.
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On another note,
Players like me, instigate change, awareness, and create threads which go on for 100's of pages, giving the dev's great insight into the player communities feelings on various subjects.
Many of the changes which have been made to the game over the last 6 months have come directly, From My threads (And others like me) and the feedback off them.
So yes my threads are belligerent and volatile, because that is what gets peoples emotions and intellect pumping, that is what causes debate and argument, that is what causes..... Improvement, and Change, and garners attention of both Devs and Players alike.
People like me, are a necessary evil, for the progress and perpetuation of a stable system. Which is why "most" of our threads are left alone and not deleted or censored by forum mods, who honestly have every right to do so but don't.Edited by Malpherian on January 25, 2015 5:53PM10 -
THammer✭Eric Wrobel confirmed that Spellcrafting is still coming.
http://reddit.com/r/elderscrollsonline/comments/2tfb48/welcome_to_the_eso_tamriel_unlimited_aua/cnyjp40
But Shor knows when.
Yeppers. They said it is still coming, but they never promised when it would be out.Edited by THammer on January 25, 2015 5:53PM0 -
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✭Alphashado wrote: »Spell crafting is still coming. For $19.99
$19.99 per month.Make sweetrolls, not nerfs!2 -
Malpherian✭✭✭✭✭AshySamurai wrote: »Alphashado wrote: »Spell crafting is still coming. For $19.99
$19.99 per month.
That really would be P2W....
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TheLaw✭✭✭✭AshySamurai wrote: »Alphashado wrote: »Spell crafting is still coming. For $19.99
$19.99 per month.
+50,000 crowns
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Ommamar✭✭✭✭Why do they think they have that policy? When a developer comes out and says oh we are working this at the moment then that doesn't come to fruition as they wanted it to they get people calling them liars and cheats. Could the game be improved? Of course and I think it will although what path those improvements will come to be is a wait and see. I still enjoy playing the game as it is so all I see in the future is more enjoyment. If you want to go argue with your CC company about refunding based on "promises" from another company have fun using your time up.1
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Malpherian✭✭✭✭✭Trion worlds is on all CC company Blacklists, because they pulled this exact same crap with Archeage. If you buy something from Trion Worlds (Rift Archeage etc) then call the CC company, they wont even ask you questions once you say "Trion Worlds" they hit the refund button and your done.
So yes, ZOS has A lot to worry about after enough people complain to the BBB and the CC Companies.
As a Business in gaming your reputation is everything, if you screw it up with your first game, you mine as well close your doors, because you will be crippled for years if not decades.3 -
timidobserver✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Malpherian wrote: »timidobserver wrote: »The OP is the type of player that causes ZOS to be tight lipped. They can't freely show us what they are working on or considering until they know 100% when it will release.
I wish more people were able to be shown a peek into what we may or may not get without getting belligerent when it isn't in the game a month or 2 later.
A comment from someone of importance like Ferrel, stating "No more Major Updates will occur after 1.6" is reason to fret when the game is obviously not finished, and a spell crafting system, and the PvP side of the justice system can both be considered "Major" updates.
ZOS is tight lipped not because of players like me, as I don;t need them to tell me what they are doing to know (most of the time). Zos is tight lipped because almost ALL companies are as a policy and have very restricting GM, Forum Admin Policies which prevent them from being anything but vague without expressed permission.
CCP, and Red5 being the exception.
- (Red5 is Firefall, in which the devs actively play the game and even belong to guilds and will chat with you openly about what they are working on and it's progress or lack there of)
- (CCP is EvE Online, and while not as Open about development, as Red5 Devs, they do play the game hold open events, and chat it up with the players, even belonging to Player Corps. CCP does however have a CSM Councile made up of Players which they fly to Iceland twice a year to advise them on and discuss game-play and future development with.)
Both of these games have the mentality that the player base is their greatest resource, and they use it as such and people love them for it.
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On another note,
Players like me, instigate change, awareness, and create threads which go on for 100's of pages, giving the dev's great insight into the player communities feelings on various subjects.
Many of the changes which have been made to the game over the last 6 months have come directly, From My threads (And others like me) and the feedback off them.
So yes my threads are belligerent and volatile, because that is what gets peoples emotions and intellect pumping, that is what causes debate and argument, that is what causes..... Improvement, and Change, and garners attention of both Devs and Players alike.
People like me, are a necessary evil, for the progress and perpetuation of a stable system. Which is why "most" of our threads are left alone and not deleted or censored by forum mods, who honestly have every right to do so but don't.
Hundreds of pages? Really now? You do realize that all of the threads you've posted are visible right? You have 1 thread in nearly a year that has 4 pages.
I guess that someone that is comfortable lying about the pages in their threads would also be capable of raging over a feature being off the table that ZOS has clearly stated is still on the table.
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Nocturnalis✭✭✭Malpherian wrote: »Since 1.6 is going to be your last big update, are you essentially saying that this required and needed feature is no longer on the table?
ZOS said: "1.6 is going to be the last major update before console launch, for obvious reasons."
Not "last big update, period, end of story."
And this about Spellcrafting: https://www.reddit.com/r/elderscrollsonline/comments/2tfb48/welcome_to_the_eso_tamriel_unlimited_aua/cnyjjkh
...Not that I am looking forward to the possible content drought after b2p launches. But I wouldn't get up in arms until more details about their release plan come out. Because right now it doesn't sound like they want to divulge much... I imagine it depends on how many Tamriel Unlimited boxes sell.
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Malpherian✭✭✭✭✭timidobserver wrote: »
Hundreds of pages? Really now? You do realize that all of the threads you've posted are visible right? You have 1 thread in nearly a year that has 4 pages.
I guess that someone that is comfortable lying about the pages in their threads would also be capable of raging over a feature being off the table that ZOS has clearly stated is still on the table.
Lol, I have more then one account on here. Many people do. The largest one on this one has some with 142 replies and others with 90+, but no this isn't my usual posting account.
Also that statement was not meant to be taken literally as it was an example. No one has posts with 100's of pages, hundreds of replies sure but not pages. Some on my other account have 30-40 pages, and some of the ones from this one (during beta etc) have 50-80 pages and 1000's of replies. But "you" can't see those.
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Ommamar✭✭✭✭Hmm so after Arena Bethesda released Daggerfall that while an awesome experience when functioning correctly only did that perhaps 10% of the time yet the TES universe thrived. I can guarantee that I will by the next single player iteration regardless of this games success or failure.
Here is the thing you have it in your head they promised you this feature or that feature when all they stated was this is what we are developing and the direction we are trying to move in. Things changes quickly so ZoS have to adjust for what they see as good for the game and their company. Because you don't agree with the changes it is immature to say if you don't give me the ball in the shape, color, and texture with the stars and poka dots that I believe you promised then I will abandon it and demand my money back from a secondary company. Here is the question does the game work? Yes! Are you able to log in and play the current representation whenever you want? Yes! Do they give notice when the product will not be available due to necessary functions any continuous software must go through? Again yes!2 -
Malpherian✭✭✭✭✭Hmm so after Arena Bethesda released Daggerfall that while an awesome experience when functioning correctly only did that perhaps 10% of the time yet the TES universe thrived. I can guarantee that I will by the next single player iteration regardless of this games success or failure.
Here is the thing you have it in your head they promised you this feature or that feature when all they stated was this is what we are developing and the direction we are trying to move in. Things changes quickly so ZoS have to adjust for what they see as good for the game and their company. Because you don't agree with the changes it is immature to say if you don't give me the ball in the shape, color, and texture with the stars and poka dots that I believe you promised then I will abandon it and demand my money back from a secondary company. Here is the question does the game work? Yes! Are you able to log in and play the current representation whenever you want? Yes! Do they give notice when the product will not be available due to necessary functions any continuous software must go through? Again yes!
Actually I neither agree nor disagree with the changes. But they did promise said content. The reason for all the hype is because the game is not "Finished". It was released as a broken, uncompleted mess missing key systems required for it to balance and work properly.
Renigging on promises concerning integral game systems, is a serious issue which directly effects consumer sales and experience with a product.
It has nothing to do with Oh jee, ZOS changed there mind on the color of that armor from black and silver to black and blue.... (Example). Who gives a flip?
It has to do with "Game is incomplete because said system is vague and broken compared to what was offered at purchase" We promise to fix it! (Then renigging and going nope we decided not to fix this integral game issue and just leave it as is).
HUGE difference.
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✭Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »Some people want to convince unknowning players ZOS is a bunch of liars, go back on their word, and will rob them blind.
Telling people that ZOS promised this and promised that and has yet to deliver or gone back on the promises. Hoping people will get swept up in fear.
These are the same people at school, at work and in communities who spread rumors and lies to watch people go at it with each other. They enjoy watching drama and conflict.
ZOS has "changed their mind" after telling players a certain thing more than a couple times already, sometimes just weeks after telling players that it's okay to go ahead and waste dozens of hours in-game on the exact thing they decided to change after all.
People don't exactly need to go out of their way to make people think that ZOS has a somewhat... questionable... track record when it comes to following through on what they say.
While I may agree that there's a subsect of the gaming community that seems to love going out of their way to badmouth this game, I don't think it's really very unfair to be wary of what we've been told in the past.
"We do not currently have any plans to go free to play, that I'm aware of" sounds pretty intentionally misleading to their community, while they were quite clearly already working on the transition to a buy-to-play model.
Then there's other instances like the CP debacle, "these stealth set bonuses stacking is intentional - owait, it's totally unintended now that you actually did it", etc.
Their follow-through track record is not good at this point. Just sayin'.5 -
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✭If they do add it, it's guaranteed nearly everyone will be running around spamming a Green Dragon Blood-like spell :disagree:I'm a man of few words. Any questions?NA/PC server1 -
Ysne58✭✭✭✭✭I have talked to one ps4 player who has decided not to get the game because of ZOS misleading it's current player base. If there are enough people out there who are basing their decision on the lack of integrity and ethics, the console market may not do as well as ZOS thinks it will.
It may or may not, but lying to your customers always comes back to bite you one way or another.3 -
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✭Malpherian wrote: »This feature has been demanded by players since Alpha and Beta in Mass, and it is the only ray of hope they have for bringing the TES fanbois back in droves, because it essentially makes your class unlocked and 100% customizable (Just like the other TES games).
The "Classes" and their limitations and requirement to re-roll a character, was the reason the masses didn't sub after beta and the reason the release utterly flopped. It was a key component which was left out, which would make the game so much more then any other MMORPG. It should have been the priority update months ago.
You're claiming classes are the primary reason people didn't want to sub after beta and the primary reason ESO's launch was a bit rocky? If you're going to make stuff up, at least try to make sense.4
