If you stay subbed you don't pay extra for the DLC.

Yeah I feel the same. There's really no need to sub just buy the occasional DLC or content you want.

Well I don't agree. I''ve bought 3 copies of this game, one for me and one each for my two kids, they were the full Imperial box with statues and book etc. I pay 3 subs per 3 months. From what I have read as a subscriber nothing will change other than you will have a few free crowns per month and all new content is included for you.

Everything in the Crown store is bind on pickup so there's no risk to the game economy, and everything will be vanity based or at least not as good as you can craft or find in the game.

Providing those criteria are met then I see a very rosy future for ESO and here's why.

ESO is a game produced by a business, that business like all others requires a steady income. The more profit that business makes the more it can reinvest to further enhance the product which in turn attracts new customers.

The Crown store and the console versions are sure to bring in a big influx of cash to ZOS, cash that can be spent on reinvestment, hiring new staff, designing new content, pay rises for existing staff and an overall improvement to ZOS employees and customers quality of life.

The above assumes it's managed correctly and they stick to their statements regarding how this will work.

Should it be apparent that they are actually introducing P2W items then I would see a very different and far less healthy outlook for this game.

All we can do now is wait and see and hope the people that run this enterprise aren't as short sighted and disingenuous as the people that run another game where the word Enterprise features very heavily (STO).

In the meantime carry on enjoying the game and if you like you can borrow my motto regarding gaming:

if the FUN stops: STOP

Well I guess only time will tell. Yeah there will be more players. But at what cost?

Gyudan wrote: »

I agree, the Elder Scrolls franchise shouldn't have to resort to this.

Resort to what? The entire Elder Scrolls franchise is buy to play.

wiz12268b14_ESO wrote: »

elastikspastik wrote: »

Okay cool, but I am not sure about subbing as I am expecting there will be hardly any updates or content added.

There have been 5 updates (with the biggest coming soon)

How many of the ones you have seen would you call "updates" or "content" that made noticeable differences to the game? I would guess one at most if not none. So at best the game is 8 months old and hasnt had any real significant (worth spending money on) changes.

So how is it really going to be different going forward? Other than they are now going to have to release stuff people feel is worth spending money on. Just because the game is going to be 1.6 doesnt mean all 6 of those updates were meaningful or noticeable. I suspect most of them were just upgrading the crap the game launched with so were just fixing broken parts of the game. These will still be free, and more than likely necessary going forward. As will major changes to any game systems or mechanics.

Upgrade, updates and content arent all the same. and if anything offering ones that they expect people to pay money for raises the bar on them (or should) to make them better and more timely.

I'm not a fan of the no new content thing, but you are wrong. Although the 4-6 week new content promise has not been met, a lot of new content has been added since launch. Including craglorn, upper craglorn, both of which held craploads of content, new vet dungeons, 3 new trials, 4 vet levels and undaunted pledges, and that is just from a playable content perspective. So to have gotten all of that in the first 9 months and then to get no new playable content for the 9 months post that is a huge difference.

elastikspastik wrote: »

I really love this game, pre ordered the Imperial editon (£70) and have been a subscriber ever since. I feel like i was set on fire, pee'd on and then set alight again. I really don't know how all this is going to pan out. And to be honest I really don't like it.

I really thought that this would never be the case with this game (until recent months). So after all that money we have spent will we still need to buy the DLC too, as well as still subscribing just to get crowns? I am even thinking that if I could, I would like a refund for every penny I have spent, and all my hours in my life back that I have used (need a flux capacitor though).

I just don't what it is going to be like when this steam rollers comes and flattens everything. If it goes P2W thats me done. A loyal customer lost. And depending on what this game turns out like I may be gone before that.

Elder Scrolls is a franchise that shouldn't be doing this. But instead improving vastly on the game and keeping its sub base, instead of this B2P, which more than likely will be P2W once a online store has been made,

Just rubs salt in a wound.

Sorry for this moan, but this is a TESO (would have been life long player, subscriber) that is very very disappointed in this.

You can still stay subbed. You are not losing anything by doing so. Zenimax are only increasing options, so other potential players, who are on the fence about buying the game due to the mandatory monthly subscription, can jump into the game. The old model wasn't working, and many people complained about having to pay a subscription on top of buying the game, so as a business, they had to make a critical decision to change the existing model to be profitable.

Zenimax aren't selling armor or weapons in the shop (which would definitely make ESO P2W and would be a deal-breaker for me, honestly), just optional items such as mounts (which can also be purchased with in-game currency), some XP items (which only affect leveling), etc. Strictly B2P games (without any subscription options) such as Guild Wars 2 are highly successful, so the model itself isn't bad at all. It's best not to assume the worst in this situation and to have a wait-and-see approach.

Mathius_Mordred wrote: »

From what I have read as a subscriber nothing will change other than you will have a few free crowns per month and all new content is included for you.

That's wrong. There will be a shop. Regardless what this shop contains, it will change the game for ever in a way I can't tolerate.

Mathius_Mordred wrote: »

if the FUN stops: STOP

Done.

Carina wrote: »

Annra wrote: »

Mathius_Mordred wrote: »

From what I have read as a subscriber nothing wil. change other than you will have a few free crowns per month and all new content is included for you.

That's wrong. There will be a shop. Regardless what this shop contains, it will change the game for ever in a way I can't tolerate.

Mathius_Mordred wrote: »

if the FUN stops: STOP

Done.

I've played WoW, a game that requires a monthly subscription, for almost 8 years. They, too, have had a cash shop for years. How exactly does having a cash shop, which doesn't sell gear to players, affect how you are currently playing?

They are afraid this will become a p2w game and see any item inthe cash shop that helps new players like soul gems and possible xp boosts a slight against the past 9 months they've put into the game.

Heavens forbid anyone bought gold illegally before because now they can buy their items through the cash shop and trade for gold without violating the terms of service.

Heavens forbid any of us who exploited the hireling bugs or mob grinding locations to advance our lvls faster than what the game designers had in mind. Now we can get that perk legitimately as a TU+ subscriber.

I'm more concerned about the fear and bullying that is going on now, which will turn the community toxic if allowed to perpetuate.

Languish4567 wrote: »

wiz12268b14_ESO wrote: »

elastikspastik wrote: »

Okay cool, but I am not sure about subbing as I am expecting there will be hardly any updates or content added.

There have been 5 updates (with the biggest coming soon)

How many of the ones you have seen would you call "updates" or "content" that made noticeable differences to the game? I would guess one at most if not none. So at best the game is 8 months old and hasnt had any real significant (worth spending money on) changes.

So how is it really going to be different going forward? Other than they are now going to have to release stuff people feel is worth spending money on. Just because the game is going to be 1.6 doesnt mean all 6 of those updates were meaningful or noticeable. I suspect most of them were just upgrading the crap the game launched with so were just fixing broken parts of the game. These will still be free, and more than likely necessary going forward. As will major changes to any game systems or mechanics.

Upgrade, updates and content arent all the same. and if anything offering ones that they expect people to pay money for raises the bar on them (or should) to make them better and more timely.

I'm not a fan of the no new content thing, but you are wrong. Although the 4-6 week new content promise has not been met, a lot of new content has been added since launch. Including craglorn, upper craglorn, both of which held craploads of content, new vet dungeons, 3 new trials, 4 vet levels and undaunted pledges, and that is just from a playable content perspective. So to have gotten all of that in the first 9 months and then to get no new playable content for the 9 months post that is a huge difference.

So Craglorn and or upper craglorn is an obvious DLC, That leaves you with the undaunted stuff (which should have been in at release) as more than likely free content update, Vet dungeons maybe DLC but more than likely a free update to everyone, Vet levels obvious free update, trials probably a DLC.

So 9 months an obvious DLC, and a couple other smallish DLC packs, and a couple free mechanical and systems upgrades more than likely for free.

Sounds like something fairly easy to do. I doubt all DLC will be equal meaning they will have more in depth ones and some that are sheer fluff. So youre going to see a split probably of 4.99 type fluff ones, 9.99 smallish solo dungeon or single instance (with a quest chain) to 19.99-24.99 larger map/zone ones with multiple quests NPCs etc.

People freaking out about no new content or having to pay for every single bit of anything they misconstrue as content is getting old.

Right now you get NOTHING unless you pay 14.99 a month to access the game. Then you get 'everything', that at its core isnt going to change one bit, and doesnt with any other game that offers a sub option hybrid with a free to play buy to play base.

To think a company isnt going to update or add content (pay or otherwise) going forward is short sighted and pretty stupid. How else are they going to make money? A cash store? Until we see the cash store we cant speculate, that will be tomorrow I am sure. So people will know more then. But no cash shop can support any game indefinitely so content must come out and come out fairly regularly.

The only easy way out option is having temporary seasonal events that put stuff in the game at intervals. GW and Lotro do/did this a lot. Does it count? Not really but for some people it might actually be new.

Either way they have quite a bit of stuff ready to go, I would say at least two years worth. Until then I wouldnt sweat it. Unless youre of the ilk that think your sub fees the past 9 months paid for these held back DLCs and you want to complain. But you just cited some fairly decent content updates over the past nine months so... basically you cant have it both ways and flip stuff around to suit your argument. I know that is a forum trolls (not you personally) best argument and one utilized to its best, but it isnt reality.

So either thay have had ample updates thus far ( as a precursor argument to any seeming lack of content going forward) or they havent. Or they should have released everything they made up til now as part of the sub (and then face more criticism and ridicule as they couldnt keep that massive pace up going forward regardless of the pay structure.

I am not defending either side. But I (we all have) played more than enough MMOs and should know by now how the game works. Consistency is best be it small or large. Obviously small is better as it keeps expectations low. But from what I have seen they (ZoS) has been better at it than just about anyone the past 10 years.

Carina wrote: »

Annra wrote: »

Carina wrote: »

Annra wrote: »

Mathius_Mordred wrote: »

From what I have read as a subscriber nothing will change other than you will have a few free crowns per month and all new content is included for you.

That's wrong. There will be a shop. Regardless what this shop contains, it will change the game for ever in a way I can't tolerate.

Mathius_Mordred wrote: »

if the FUN stops: STOP

Done.

I've played WoW, a game that requires a monthly subscription, for almost 8 years. They, too, have had a cash shop for years. How exactly does having a cash shop, which doesn't sell gear to players, affect how you are currently playing?

Ridiculous costumes, ridiculous mounts....

But in WoW it's not really a problem, because WoW looks ridiculous since the beginning.

Well, that is your opinion, and you are definitely entitled to it even though I disagree. I still fail to understand how having optional items will ruin the game for you. It's not as if Zenimax will be selling clown outfits in the store, which would be immersion-breaking.

Actually there is a jester outfit. There were court jesters in actual kingdoms before. I would say tony stark's iron man suit would be immersion breaking.

Carina wrote: »

Annra wrote: »

Carina wrote: »

Annra wrote: »

Mathius_Mordred wrote: »

From what I have read as a subscriber nothing will change other than you will have a few free crowns per month and all new content is included for you.

That's wrong. There will be a shop. Regardless what this shop contains, it will change the game for ever in a way I can't tolerate.

Mathius_Mordred wrote: »

if the FUN stops: STOP

Done.

I've played WoW, a game that requires a monthly subscription, for almost 8 years. They, too, have had a cash shop for years. How exactly does having a cash shop, which doesn't sell gear to players, affect how you are currently playing?

Ridiculous costumes, ridiculous mounts....

But in WoW it's not really a problem, because WoW looks ridiculous since the beginning.

Well, that is your opinion, and you are definitely entitled to it even though I disagree. I still fail to understand how having optional items will ruin the game for you. It's not as if Zenimax will be selling clown outfits in the store, which would be immersion-breaking.

They have already anounced to sell clowns costumes! And as I read, some guilds will force their member wearing that costume. So please tell me, how can this not break my immersion? If they are only useable for RP within town borders - no problem. But wearing within Cyrodiil should be prohibited.

Annra wrote: »

Carina wrote: »

Annra wrote: »

Carina wrote: »

Annra wrote: »

Mathius_Mordred wrote: »

From what I have read as a subscriber nothing will change other than you will have a few free crowns per month and all new content is included for you.

That's wrong. There will be a shop. Regardless what this shop contains, it will change the game for ever in a way I can't tolerate.

Mathius_Mordred wrote: »

if the FUN stops: STOP

Done.

I've played WoW, a game that requires a monthly subscription, for almost 8 years. They, too, have had a cash shop for years. How exactly does having a cash shop, which doesn't sell gear to players, affect how you are currently playing?

Ridiculous costumes, ridiculous mounts....

But in WoW it's not really a problem, because WoW looks ridiculous since the beginning.

Well, that is your opinion, and you are definitely entitled to it even though I disagree. I still fail to understand how having optional items will ruin the game for you. It's not as if Zenimax will be selling clown outfits in the store, which would be immersion-breaking.

They have already anounced to sell clowns costumes! And as I read, some guilds will force their member wearing that costume. So please tell me, how can this not break my immersion? If they are only useable for RP within town borders - no problem. But wearing within Cyrodiil should be prohibited.

I thought the "clown" costume was in the context of a jester, not actual clowns.