I for one welcome our new B2P overlords

Flexar · January 2015

Right, since the forums have become a hive of negativity that is filled to the brim by people who have come here to complain, I'm going to post something positive. As the title suggests, I am entirely for the change to B2P. I could waffle on, but instead I'll just summarise it into a few bullet points:

B2P will draw in plenty of new players, as well as draw back plenty of old ones. Remember that friend you had who quit because they couldn't afford to pay for both the initial copy of the game and the sub? It's entirely possible that you can persuade them to come back, as it entirely possible to persuade friends who didn't buy the game in the first place for precisely that reason. There's no need to worry about the supposed horde of annoying children on the horizon: children can leech money off their parents if need be and will get bored quickly and just move onto something more to their tastes.
Anyone paying a sub now is just going to get more for their money when Tamriel Unlimited comes out. If you continue to pay for your sub the whole "oh no DLC" point becomes invalid, because you'll have the exact same access to it that you would have had if ESO had stayed P2P and just released it as normal content. You also get access to vanity & convenience items at no additional cost, which, while not a particularly big bonus, is a bonus all the same.
The XP/money bonus isn't really so much P2W as pay to go fast. It's only a 10% bonus, and XP & stat caps are the same for everyone. It'll certainly make things easier for the multitude of people who have been complaining about how hard it is to progress alts.
Those of us who don't strive off negativity will be free of everyone whining endlessly about the change to B2P once it's finally implemented.

Gyudan · January 2015

Flexar wrote: »

Anyone paying a sub now is just going to get more for their money when Tamriel Unlimited comes out. If you continue to pay for your sub the whole "oh no DLC" point becomes invalid, because you'll have the exact same access to it that you would have had if ESO had stayed P2P and just released it as normal content.

It's already been established and confirmed by Matt Firor that the pace of new updates is slowing down in 2015. I fail to see how this would be an improvement.

Elsonso · January 2015

Most of the people I know of quit because of problems with the game, the way ZOS treated players and add-on writers, and other issues. Money was not the top issue. Most of them have been gone a long time, now.

They might come back to the game because they won't have to subscribe, but they may not stay if nothing else has improved for them.

EDIT: ESOTU itself has not added any content. All it has done is removed the barriers to checking out what has changed.

OrangeTheCat · January 2015

Sheep

jpatek0501ub17_ESO · January 2015

Lol, all the hopefuls and defendants are like cattle being herded to the slaughter house. Time to get paid for all that meat.

SFBryan18 · January 2015

I really have no preference. I'm here to play TES online, and when they make such a large decision, there's nothing that can be done to change it. B2P is a done deal. Accept it and move on.

b92303008rwb17_ESO · January 2015

With all your positive points said, ZOS is going to slow down the pace with updates. How would you comment on this?

Gemseed · January 2015

Frankly, it's simply not as big a deal as some of this vocal minority is making it out to be. I don't prefer the move to B2P + freemium either, but it is what it is.

i'll continue playing and paying for as long as I'm having fun, and when the day comes I'm not having fun anymore, I'll be on my merry way.

manny254 · January 2015

Gyudan wrote: »

Flexar wrote: »

Anyone paying a sub now is just going to get more for their money when Tamriel Unlimited comes out. If you continue to pay for your sub the whole "oh no DLC" point becomes invalid, because you'll have the exact same access to it that you would have had if ESO had stayed P2P and just released it as normal content.

It's already been established and confirmed by Matt Firor that the pace of new updates is slowing down in 2015. I fail to see how this would be an improvement.

I share your concern, but I think that there are a few things to think about in regards to the comments made by the devs.

It is easy to take for granted all the systems that have changed or been implemented in the game. As a player we obviously see the things we play, and to be honest there has not been much content added to play. So we have not directly seen the work of the devs in the form of content. It feels as if most of the development time since launch has been fixing, adding, replacing, and restructuring the game systems.

So my personal interpretation is that they will no longer be restructuring and building new systems. My hope is that this will actually mean more content.

Naivefanboi · January 2015

Flexar wrote: »

Right, since the forums have become a hive of negativity that is filled to the brim by people who have come here to complain, I'm going to post something positive. As the title suggests, I am entirely for the change to B2P. I could waffle on, but instead I'll just summarise it into a few bullet points:
B2P will draw in plenty of new players, as well as draw back plenty of old ones. Remember that friend you had who quit because they couldn't afford to pay for both the initial copy of the game and the sub? It's entirely possible that you can persuade them to come back, as it entirely possible to persuade friends who didn't buy the game in the first place for precisely that reason. There's no need to worry about the supposed horde of annoying children on the horizon: children can leech money off their parents if need be and will get bored quickly and just move onto something more to their tastes.

Anyone paying a sub now is just going to get more for their money when Tamriel Unlimited comes out. If you continue to pay for your sub the whole "oh no DLC" point becomes invalid, because you'll have the exact same access to it that you would have had if ESO had stayed P2P and just released it as normal content. You also get access to vanity & convenience items at no additional cost, which, while not a particularly big bonus, is a bonus all the same.

The XP/money bonus isn't really so much P2W as pay to go fast. It's only a 10% bonus, and XP & stat caps are the same for everyone. It'll certainly make things easier for the multitude of people who have been complaining about how hard it is to progress alts.

Those of us who don't strive off negativity will be free of everyone whining endlessly about the change to B2P once it's finally implemented.

did you not see the part where content will not be on the same pace as it was in 2014....which was pretty much what? tabards/dyes/sunshafts/craglorn and some trials/ writs/pledges. i miss anything?
so the whole "you get more then you had with a sub" is complete bs!
but hey now theres some pets and costuems to spend money in the cash store...yay
most of the people i know in my guilds and ect dont plan on subbing , half of them arnt even staying. and people waiting to return have been waiting for imperial city and 1.6 mostly. 7 days to get it on pts btws zos. lol
and if you think 500 crowns a month is gonna get you anything youre hilarious. im assumeing thats what you meant by "get access to conivence and vanity items"

just because we dont like the changes doesnt mean were leaving. been playing since closed beta, will be here when game goes offline. 2-3 years.some will stick around just to laugh at zos fails cause theyre predictable at this point.
all leaving completely does is remove our voice from the community, thats why they will eventually make forums for eso+ only or just ban hammer anyone who complains or disagrees. gw2 did exact same thing.

Abr4hn · January 2015

OrangeTheCat wrote: »

Sheep

Dip.

I will continue to subscribe, and receive some additional perks that I don't get now as a subscriber (faster leveling, stuff to buy in the cash shop, etc). The cost is trivial, and I will get MOAR.

What's not to like about that?

They are going to have their hands full with the launch of both consoles, and that will introduce a pause in the release of new DLC for a few months. That does not bother me either, since it will be Summer - and I have better things to do than park my pasty white butt in front of a computer when it is nice outside.

We now return to our regularly scheduled whining... "oh noes - B2P is worse than EBOLA!!!". The end is nigh, etc, etc. Carry on.

b92303008rwb17_ESO · January 2015

Gemseed wrote: »

Frankly, it's simply not as big a deal as some of this vocal minority is making it out to be. I don't prefer the move to B2P + freemium either, but it is what it is.

i'll continue playing and paying for as long as I'm having fun, and when the day comes I'm not having fun anymore, I'll be on my merry way.

I am not really against B2P model itself, it's the almost destined consequence that worries me, which is that most people who came only because of the model change are less likely to stay long or pay for DLCs. If they are not even willing to pay sub fee, how do you expect them to pay for DLCs, the only exception being that DLCs cost less than sub fee and that means few major updates. Then ZOS will be forced to push more vanity or even P2W items. That is the direction even you will not be happy.

treborrealb14_ESO · January 2015

TBH I'm Ok with this as myself and a few close friends will still be subbing but if the quality of the game, Neglect to any fixes or changes to [b]Cyrodill [/b]or server performance or Lack of content ( there saying 5+ month over there old 60 to 90 day) fall of the rail at any point then subs are OFF

Nocturnalis · January 2015

Flexar wrote: »

Right, since the forums have become a hive of negativity that is filled to the brim by people who have come here to complain,

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Those of us who don't strive off negativity will be free of everyone whining endlessly about the change to B2P once it's finally implemented.

They still will have forum access after the b2p implementation. So I wouldn't count on all of them leaving.

Naivefanboi · January 2015

b92303008rwb17_ESO wrote: »

Gemseed wrote: »

Frankly, it's simply not as big a deal as some of this vocal minority is making it out to be. I don't prefer the move to B2P + freemium either, but it is what it is.

i'll continue playing and paying for as long as I'm having fun, and when the day comes I'm not having fun anymore, I'll be on my merry way.

I am not really against B2P model itself, it's the almost destined consequence that worries me, which is that most people who came only because of the model change are less likely to stay long or pay for DLCs. If they are not even willing to pay sub fee, how do you expect them to pay for DLCs, the only exception being that DLCs cost less than sub fee and that means few major updates. Then ZOS will be forced to push more vanity or even P2W items. That is the direction even you will not be happy.

because most of those people will impulse buy a sparkle pony or costume ect. why have game play involved lol

Briwulf · January 2015

Gemseed wrote: »

Frankly, it's simply not as big a deal as some of this vocal minority is making it out to be. I don't prefer the move to B2P + freemium either, but it is what it is.

i'll continue playing and paying for as long as I'm having fun, and when the day comes I'm not having fun anymore, I'll be on my merry way.

I feel exactly the same, I don't understand all the rage the forum is getting, its pointless second guessing what will happen in the future if you still enjoy the game keep playing, if not move on you would have done that regardless if it was subscription based or not.

Only time will tell how they go with B2P I for one will give it a chance.

kevlarto_ESO · January 2015

I wonder what they are going to do for game performance, it has a hard enough time handling the players we have now, wait till those folks that bought the game come back to take a peek

Dave2836 · January 2015

b92303008rwb17_ESO wrote: »

With all your positive points said, ZOS is going to slow down the pace with updates. How would you comment on this?

Unsub, still play the game. When new content is available, probably in DLC format, resub or buy.

As a rhetorical scenario, if they make 2 content updates as DLC in 2015 after TU goes live, and sell them for $20 each, then if I was the doom and gloom kind of person would wait, watch youtube for some play footage of the DLC and decide if the purchase is worth my $$. Simple as that. I find this plan more economical than forking over $180 for the course of a year for content that I may or may not like. But that's not me so that's not my plan.

OH B2P OVERLORDS, GRACE US WITH CLOAKS AND CAPES IN THE CROWN STORE.

Morshire · January 2015

I am super stoked about the B2P plan, all my friends who refused to fork over a sub will be able to run around with me on our glittery dragon mounts with our badasssss glory gowns and our purple hats. Watch for our youtube channel soon to release - ESO_fairies on crack united. (Not meant to insult any "gender" based people. I mean just what I said "fairies" as in the winged mythical forest dweller)

(Completely trolling and being an arse so laugh it off)

Seriously though. Why would you rage quit? They are giving you free and unlimited access to every aspect of the game (except the cash shop), forums included, up until they can figure out how to design new content for 4 platforms. From the track record, you will quit this game out of shear boredom long before that ever happens. See a positive spin on things.

Cody · January 2015

overlords??? oh heck no.