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Mr Sage and Co = Politicans as in liars, we will get P2W sooner or later
Lauradana
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Mr Sage and Co were asked MANY times if there will be items up for sale in the shop that would be better then what you can find or craft in the game, he was even asked to WRITE it out that there would not be such items and here is the catch,
NOT ONCE did he or any of his mates come flat out and say NO there will not be these items for sale, not one single time all we got was the typical BS as how they are not PLANING to add these items, never a clear and straight answer always there are no plans (AT THE MOMENT) to do so.
Mr Sage just how stupid do you think we really are? Given your past history of lieing straight into our faces why the hell should we even begin to belive you if you do not have the guts to come right out with a simple answer like NO we will NEVER have p2w items in our online shop.
This Q&A has just reinforced the wife's and my descision not to invest another cent into this game after being there from the pre beta start, buying the Imperial ed and 2 extra accounts and over a years sub. Well done you have managed to drive off some of the most avid supporters of the game who were willing to spend money on this game with your lies. Once the trust is broken peple just up and leave and word of mouth is so powerful, once I tried to get everyone we knew to play this great game, now I am telling everyone to keep the hell away from this train wreak waiting to happen.
I feel so sad and betrayed by your company as we absolutly loved the game but now see no real sense in continuing to play it as nothing you say can be belived. Waiting for Everquest next (a REAL sandbox game btw) this one is dying a slow and painful death.
NOT ONCE did he or any of his mates come flat out and say NO there will not be these items for sale, not one single time all we got was the typical BS as how they are not PLANING to add these items, never a clear and straight answer always there are no plans (AT THE MOMENT) to do so.
Mr Sage just how stupid do you think we really are? Given your past history of lieing straight into our faces why the hell should we even begin to belive you if you do not have the guts to come right out with a simple answer like NO we will NEVER have p2w items in our online shop.
This Q&A has just reinforced the wife's and my descision not to invest another cent into this game after being there from the pre beta start, buying the Imperial ed and 2 extra accounts and over a years sub. Well done you have managed to drive off some of the most avid supporters of the game who were willing to spend money on this game with your lies. Once the trust is broken peple just up and leave and word of mouth is so powerful, once I tried to get everyone we knew to play this great game, now I am telling everyone to keep the hell away from this train wreak waiting to happen.
I feel so sad and betrayed by your company as we absolutly loved the game but now see no real sense in continuing to play it as nothing you say can be belived. Waiting for Everquest next (a REAL sandbox game btw) this one is dying a slow and painful death.
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✭I'm surprised how little they tried to hide/deny their plans for this game's direction.v14 Sorc Vae Exillis
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✭✭@ZOS_GinaBruno: care to comment and give some reassuring input ?
Please confirm that there will indeed be no "items up for sale in the shop that would be better then what you can find or craft in the game".
This is quite an issue for many (loyal) players.Wololo.5 -
Shinra✭✭✭foolish.
Zenimax will always go for the most money, and the developers won't be able to do anything against it.
Currently, many subsribers of the future eso plus will leave the game when they see the first p2w elements, so they will probably lose more money than they will get for those p2w thingies. That is the ONLY reason why there aren't p2w items jet and there aren't any plans for it jet.Edited by Shinra on January 24, 2015 8:37AM0 -
Iago✭✭✭✭✭@ZOS_GinaBruno: care to comment and give some reassuring input ?
Please confirm that there will indeed be no "items up for sale in the shop that would be better then what you can find or craft in the game".
This is quite an issue for many (loyal) players.
even if Gina had something reassuring to say she may be under orders not to, or the reassurance will be a lie given to her by her superiors.
at any rate we will not get the truth of the matter until whatever happens happens.That which we obtain to cheap we esteem to lightly, it is dearness only that gives everything its value.
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Iago✭✭✭✭✭@ZOS_GinaBruno: care to comment and give some reassuring input ?
Please confirm that there will indeed be no "items up for sale in the shop that would be better then what you can find or craft in the game".
This is quite an issue for many (loyal) players.
even if Gina had something reassuring to say she may be under orders not to, or the reassurance will be a lie given to her by her superiors.
at any rate we will not get the truth of the matter until whatever happens happens.That which we obtain to cheap we esteem to lightly, it is dearness only that gives everything its value.
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✭Seems like another conspiracy theory to me. I thought this forum had rules about those, but hey, whatever.1 -
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Throw a hundred possible scenarios out there, and one is bound to end up correct. Just because you can look back in hindsight and say that one thing happened doesn't prove anything else. More people were saying F2P than B2P.Edited by SFBryan18 on January 24, 2015 9:14AM2 -
Iago✭✭✭✭✭
well then I guess we'll just have to wait and see. maybe I'm right maybe you're right but just in case I'm right and I'm pretty sure I am. I just want to throw my hi told you so out there now.
That which we obtain to cheap we esteem to lightly, it is dearness only that gives everything its value.
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well then I guess we'll just have to wait and see. maybe I'm right maybe you're right but just in case I'm right and I'm pretty sure I am. I just want to throw my hi told you so out there now.
I don't agree or disagree with any of these conspiracy theories. I never said the game would go F2P, B2P, or stay a sub. I don't predict the future and throw doomsday scenarios at everyone in an attempt to cause panic. That's just you. Well, you and a few others.Edited by SFBryan18 on January 24, 2015 8:56AM2 -
Iago✭✭✭✭✭
well then I guess we'll just have to wait and see. maybe I'm right maybe you're right but just in case I'm right and I'm pretty sure I am. I just want to throw my hi told you so out there now.
I don't agree or disagree with any of these conspiracy theories. I never said the game would go F2P, B2P, or stay a sub. I don't predict the future and throw doomsday scenarios at everyone in an attempt to cause panic. That's just you. Well, you and a few others.
it boils down to a matter of cause and effect certain actions determine certain ends and it's pretty easy to see where the roads going to go after all plenty of people have traveled it the road is well worn and I'm sure if I stop and pick up a treasure chest somewhere somebody's even drawing a map.That which we obtain to cheap we esteem to lightly, it is dearness only that gives everything its value.
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Jennifur_Vultee✭✭✭✭✭I've lost confidence in Zenimax as company as well but my best friend in game that I've known since the last game we played together and my girlfriend want to take a wait and see approach so I'll stick around a bit longer. I personally think almost anything we're told now should not be taken at face value because its like there's small print that says, "Offer subject to change without prior notice.""Whoever is careless with the truth in small matters cannot be trusted with important matters." – Albert Einstein
Treat a customer fairly and they will remember you. Treat a customer poorly and they never forget.
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well then I guess we'll just have to wait and see. maybe I'm right maybe you're right but just in case I'm right and I'm pretty sure I am. I just want to throw my hi told you so out there now.
I don't agree or disagree with any of these conspiracy theories. I never said the game would go F2P, B2P, or stay a sub. I don't predict the future and throw doomsday scenarios at everyone in an attempt to cause panic. That's just you. Well, you and a few others.
it boils down to a matter of cause and effect certain actions determine certain ends and it's pretty easy to see where the roads going to go after all plenty of people have traveled it the road is well worn and I'm sure if I stop and pick up a treasure chest somewhere somebody's even drawing a map.
And how long until we get there? Will you be whining the entire time? If you don't like the game, don't play it. If you do like it, then enjoy it while it lasts. These doomsday predictions are nothing but conspiracy theory trash and the only purpose they serve is to cause panic.0 -
Iago✭✭✭✭✭
well then I guess we'll just have to wait and see. maybe I'm right maybe you're right but just in case I'm right and I'm pretty sure I am. I just want to throw my hi told you so out there now.
I don't agree or disagree with any of these conspiracy theories. I never said the game would go F2P, B2P, or stay a sub. I don't predict the future and throw doomsday scenarios at everyone in an attempt to cause panic. That's just you. Well, you and a few others.
it boils down to a matter of cause and effect certain actions determine certain ends and it's pretty easy to see where the roads going to go after all plenty of people have traveled it the road is well worn and I'm sure if I stop and pick up a treasure chest somewhere somebody's even drawing a map.
And how long until we get there? Will you be whining the entire time? If you don't like the game, don't play it. If you do like it, then enjoy it while it lasts. These doomsday predictions are nothing but conspiracy theory trash and the only purpose they serve is to cause panic.
oh come on now Brian we were having a nice civil conversation and there you go trolling trying to escalate the situation. go find somebody else bud and give them a hard time.
happy hunting.That which we obtain to cheap we esteem to lightly, it is dearness only that gives everything its value.
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well then I guess we'll just have to wait and see. maybe I'm right maybe you're right but just in case I'm right and I'm pretty sure I am. I just want to throw my hi told you so out there now.
I don't agree or disagree with any of these conspiracy theories. I never said the game would go F2P, B2P, or stay a sub. I don't predict the future and throw doomsday scenarios at everyone in an attempt to cause panic. That's just you. Well, you and a few others.
it boils down to a matter of cause and effect certain actions determine certain ends and it's pretty easy to see where the roads going to go after all plenty of people have traveled it the road is well worn and I'm sure if I stop and pick up a treasure chest somewhere somebody's even drawing a map.
And how long until we get there? Will you be whining the entire time? If you don't like the game, don't play it. If you do like it, then enjoy it while it lasts. These doomsday predictions are nothing but conspiracy theory trash and the only purpose they serve is to cause panic.
oh come on now Brian we were having a nice civil conversation and there you go trolling trying to escalate the situation. go find somebody else bud and give them a hard time.
happy hunting.
It's not civil at all. You're just starting another thread with pointless doomsday theories. You really have the nerve to call anyone a troll when you're fear mongering and spamming?1 -
Iago✭✭✭✭✭
well then I guess we'll just have to wait and see. maybe I'm right maybe you're right but just in case I'm right and I'm pretty sure I am. I just want to throw my hi told you so out there now.
I don't agree or disagree with any of these conspiracy theories. I never said the game would go F2P, B2P, or stay a sub. I don't predict the future and throw doomsday scenarios at everyone in an attempt to cause panic. That's just you. Well, you and a few others.
it boils down to a matter of cause and effect certain actions determine certain ends and it's pretty easy to see where the roads going to go after all plenty of people have traveled it the road is well worn and I'm sure if I stop and pick up a treasure chest somewhere somebody's even drawing a map.
And how long until we get there? Will you be whining the entire time? If you don't like the game, don't play it. If you do like it, then enjoy it while it lasts. These doomsday predictions are nothing but conspiracy theory trash and the only purpose they serve is to cause panic.
oh come on now Brian we were having a nice civil conversation and there you go trolling trying to escalate the situation. go find somebody else bud and give them a hard time.
happy hunting.
It's not civil at all. You're just starting another thread with pointless doomsday theories. You really have the nerve to call anyone a troll when you're fear mongering and spamming?
1. this is not my thread
2. I am NOT starting a doomsday theory because I'm not predicting the end of the world. I'll merely pointing out that yes this is what's going to happen eventually. you can deny it all you want but it will happen.
3. yes it was a civil conversation. at no point in time tonight did I try to pick a fight with you on the Internet.
4. you may not even be trolling on purpose you just want to ask elated argument with someone you don't agree with.
all that being said have a wonderful night and go hunt down someone else to bother.That which we obtain to cheap we esteem to lightly, it is dearness only that gives everything its value.
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SFBryan18✭✭✭✭✭
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well then I guess we'll just have to wait and see. maybe I'm right maybe you're right but just in case I'm right and I'm pretty sure I am. I just want to throw my hi told you so out there now.
I don't agree or disagree with any of these conspiracy theories. I never said the game would go F2P, B2P, or stay a sub. I don't predict the future and throw doomsday scenarios at everyone in an attempt to cause panic. That's just you. Well, you and a few others.
it boils down to a matter of cause and effect certain actions determine certain ends and it's pretty easy to see where the roads going to go after all plenty of people have traveled it the road is well worn and I'm sure if I stop and pick up a treasure chest somewhere somebody's even drawing a map.
And how long until we get there? Will you be whining the entire time? If you don't like the game, don't play it. If you do like it, then enjoy it while it lasts. These doomsday predictions are nothing but conspiracy theory trash and the only purpose they serve is to cause panic.
oh come on now Brian we were having a nice civil conversation and there you go trolling trying to escalate the situation. go find somebody else bud and give them a hard time.
happy hunting.
It's not civil at all. You're just starting another thread with pointless doomsday theories. You really have the nerve to call anyone a troll when you're fear mongering and spamming?
1. this is not my thread
2. I am NOT starting a doomsday theory because I'm not predicting the end of the world. I'll merely pointing out that yes this is what's going to happen eventually. you can deny it all you want but it will happen.
3. yes it was a civil conversation. at no point in time tonight did I try to pick a fight with you on the Internet.
4. you may not even be trolling on purpose you just want to ask elated argument with someone you don't agree with.
all that being said have a wonderful night and go hunt down someone else to bother.
No, you didn't start the thread. You're just here to cosign on some trash predictions. And calling someone a troll is starting a fight, especially because you're a huge hypocrite. I've run in to your kind a thousand times and I'll give you a real prediction right now... they always disappear. You're just filling the shoes of the cliche angry customer who is on his way out the door and trying to drag others with him. If you're so unhappy, then just go already.Edited by SFBryan18 on January 24, 2015 9:42AM1 -
Iago✭✭✭✭✭
well then I guess we'll just have to wait and see. maybe I'm right maybe you're right but just in case I'm right and I'm pretty sure I am. I just want to throw my hi told you so out there now.
I don't agree or disagree with any of these conspiracy theories. I never said the game would go F2P, B2P, or stay a sub. I don't predict the future and throw doomsday scenarios at everyone in an attempt to cause panic. That's just you. Well, you and a few others.
it boils down to a matter of cause and effect certain actions determine certain ends and it's pretty easy to see where the roads going to go after all plenty of people have traveled it the road is well worn and I'm sure if I stop and pick up a treasure chest somewhere somebody's even drawing a map.
And how long until we get there? Will you be whining the entire time? If you don't like the game, don't play it. If you do like it, then enjoy it while it lasts. These doomsday predictions are nothing but conspiracy theory trash and the only purpose they serve is to cause panic.
oh come on now Brian we were having a nice civil conversation and there you go trolling trying to escalate the situation. go find somebody else bud and give them a hard time.
happy hunting.
It's not civil at all. You're just starting another thread with pointless doomsday theories. You really have the nerve to call anyone a troll when you're fear mongering and spamming?
1. this is not my thread
2. I am NOT starting a doomsday theory because I'm not predicting the end of the world. I'll merely pointing out that yes this is what's going to happen eventually. you can deny it all you want but it will happen.
3. yes it was a civil conversation. at no point in time tonight did I try to pick a fight with you on the Internet.
4. you may not even be trolling on purpose you just want to ask elated argument with someone you don't agree with.
all that being said have a wonderful night and go hunt down someone else to bother.
No, you didn't start the thread. You're just here to cosign on some trqash predictions. And calling someone a troll is starting a fight.
there are two phrases that come to mind the truth hurts and if the shoe fits wear it.
you tried starting the fight hence I called out and say what you willyour troll like behavior.
say what you will about my opinions of the future of this game you will most certainly not convince me otherwise.
I can tell you're getting very excited by this conversation I'm just going to stop this talk for the night. take a few deep breaths Bryan and calm down it'll be okay.
have a good night
That which we obtain to cheap we esteem to lightly, it is dearness only that gives everything its value.
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What is the point of them telling you no. If you not going to believe them anyway. The problem was so many people ask the same question when they could of ask a better question. The Q&A did not reinforce your decision. You already decided that your not going to support from the beginning.Mr Sage and Co were asked MANY times if there will be items up for sale in the shop that would be better then what you can find or craft in the game, he was even asked to WRITE it out that there would not be such items and here is the catch,
NOT ONCE did he or any of his mates come flat out and say NO there will not be these items for sale, not one single time all we got was the typical BS as how they are not PLANING to add these items, never a clear and straight answer always there are no plans (AT THE MOMENT) to do so.
Mr Sage just how stupid do you think we really are? Given your past history of lieing straight into our faces why the hell should we even begin to belive you if you do not have the guts to come right out with a simple answer like NO we will NEVER have p2w items in our online shop.
This Q&A has just reinforced the wife's and my descision not to invest another cent into this game after being there from the pre beta start, buying the Imperial ed and 2 extra accounts and over a years sub. Well done you have managed to drive off some of the most avid supporters of the game who were willing to spend money on this game with your lies. Once the trust is broken peple just up and leave and word of mouth is so powerful, once I tried to get everyone we knew to play this great game, now I am telling everyone to keep the hell away from this train wreak waiting to happen.
I feel so sad and betrayed by your company as we absolutly loved the game but now see no real sense in continuing to play it as nothing you say can be belived. Waiting for Everquest next (a REAL sandbox game btw) this one is dying a slow and painful death.
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well then I guess we'll just have to wait and see. maybe I'm right maybe you're right but just in case I'm right and I'm pretty sure I am. I just want to throw my hi told you so out there now.
I don't agree or disagree with any of these conspiracy theories. I never said the game would go F2P, B2P, or stay a sub. I don't predict the future and throw doomsday scenarios at everyone in an attempt to cause panic. That's just you. Well, you and a few others.
it boils down to a matter of cause and effect certain actions determine certain ends and it's pretty easy to see where the roads going to go after all plenty of people have traveled it the road is well worn and I'm sure if I stop and pick up a treasure chest somewhere somebody's even drawing a map.
And how long until we get there? Will you be whining the entire time? If you don't like the game, don't play it. If you do like it, then enjoy it while it lasts. These doomsday predictions are nothing but conspiracy theory trash and the only purpose they serve is to cause panic.
oh come on now Brian we were having a nice civil conversation and there you go trolling trying to escalate the situation. go find somebody else bud and give them a hard time.
happy hunting.
It's not civil at all. You're just starting another thread with pointless doomsday theories. You really have the nerve to call anyone a troll when you're fear mongering and spamming?
1. this is not my thread
2. I am NOT starting a doomsday theory because I'm not predicting the end of the world. I'll merely pointing out that yes this is what's going to happen eventually. you can deny it all you want but it will happen.
3. yes it was a civil conversation. at no point in time tonight did I try to pick a fight with you on the Internet.
4. you may not even be trolling on purpose you just want to ask elated argument with someone you don't agree with.
all that being said have a wonderful night and go hunt down someone else to bother.
No, you didn't start the thread. You're just here to cosign on some trqash predictions. And calling someone a troll is starting a fight.
there are two phrases that come to mind the truth hurts and if the shoe fits wear it.
you tried starting the fight hence I called out and say what you willyour troll like behavior.
say what you will about my opinions of the future of this game you will most certainly not convince me otherwise.
I can tell you're getting very excited by this conversation I'm just going to stop this talk for the night. take a few deep breaths Bryan and calm down it'll be okay.
have a good night
The moderators have clearly stated that they do not allow members to call each other trolls. By continuing to argue your case, you are baiting me to respond because your logic is awful. This thread is doomed and so are you.0 -
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✭Currently, many subsribers of the future eso plus will leave the game when they see the first p2w elements, so they will probably lose more money than they will get for those p2w thingies. That is the ONLY reason why there aren't p2w items jet and there aren't any plans for it jet.
Which IMHO would be kind of hypocritical, considering premium itself has p2w elements. If you're against that, you shouldn't subscribe at all. That's anyway the conclusion I've come to and I hate that. I'd much rather stay subscribed, but those boosters.....they're like a corrupting bribe to me.Please stop making requests for game features. ZOS have enough bad ideas as it is!0 -
Lauradana✭✭✭Darkonflare15 wrote: »What is the point of them telling you no. If you not going to believe them anyway. The problem was so many people ask the same question when they could of ask a better question. The Q&A did not reinforce your decision. You already decided that your not going to support from the beginning.
Let me answer that, my point was that although the question was asked in so many different ways in order that Mr Sage would/could commit himself to saying the simple "No we WILL NOT put in any p2w items into the shop" which he absolutly refused to do, in fact he ignored the question a couple of times and when he did "answer" the question he or one of his cronies always stated that atm there is NO PLAN to put these items in the shop, which given even my limited English is most certainly NOT a clear and loud NO to our fears, therefore why should I support them from the beginning if they themselves are not willing to commit themselves. I will continue to play this game right up to the second that the first item hits the shop that has ANY stats on it because then it is NOT cosmentic anymore. And sorry but there is no BETTER question then if and when the game is going p2w, especially for the PvP crowd. What I have decided is that they are not getting any more money from me because they lied straight in my face by scrubbing the sub when they said they would not and are now trying to sell it as "Great News" (my ar$e).0 -
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What are these, if not items that are better than what we can find in game?
They are items that clearly show the finger to every dedicated player that goes through effort to achieve things, while credit card warriors will be able to just buy all that hard work and laugh at your efforts & dedication.1 -
Milf_Hero✭✭✭Skip this first part if you don't want to hear my praising tera on how its better than eso in my opinion.
i recently played tera rising. A F2P game with a cash shop. cash shop has xp boost and crap like that but other than that its all customization on your character, pets stuff like that. Combat is ten times better. Skill are flashy and fun to use.Combat is Scenery is amazing. Races really look unique and mmo like. True action combat. Mini games, dungeons, huge raids, PvP servers for people who like to pvp on the mainland and not in a seperate zone. Fun creative pvp areas as well as the regular ones. Like one time i got to play along side three other players as giants defending a town with chest scattered all over. We knew which ones had the items the enemy team wanted and they didn't. they had to run through and find the chest and get the items back to their base. With real action combat, this was just the best pvping ive had in a mmo in a long time. Good meaningful rewards for pvping or pve questing. You get small buffs for gathering material that actually help. Your character does an emote to show that he totally rocked picking up that plant or whatever you gathered. Usually i hate gathering materials but not in tera. BAMS are freaken awesom . Boss fights are wonderful and intense. Maybe its becuase they are larger than life giants, but don't get me wrong. There are some regular human size bosses as well.
DLCs are free in tera.ESO should have been more like what they are about to release in additin to what other popular succesful mmo's are doing at the beginning. They are already gonna do the costumes and convience junk like Tera. More mounts. All this through the cash shop. DLCs with more land an all that. A special elite status. The only difference is that the DLCs will cost ya in eso. Which i don't understand myself. Should be free. There will be ppl paying out the butthole for everything in the cash shop and the premium membership. So why the limit on the expansion of the game? Buy to play poopie. They masked it like hey you get the whole game. Buy it and your good to go. Yeah in a month or two you'll have 75% of the game. In a year 50% of it. year and a half.. see where im going? It seems like we are not getting the real eso on line mmo version. why now?
Pay to win. maybe. If you don't get the dlc's you may not have access to the best gear. You would maybe have to buy from the guild traders. Which wil have those lovely jacked up prices of 90k a peice. Better grind spots just like how craglorn was for a while. New quest. More quest =more xp.Edited by Milf_Hero on January 24, 2015 12:40PMYou name it, and ill kill it.0 -
ZOS_LenaicR✭✭✭✭Hello there,
We understand there are concerns and questions about the announcements made earlier this week. We welcome your questions and concerns, and will continue to do what we can to provide answers and clarification, but we do expect everyone here to remain respectful and constructive at all times.
We will not tolerate insulting comments and accusations directed at us.That is not constructive.
As such, this thread is now closed.1
This discussion has been closed.