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Will Imperial City and full Justice be included in Tamriel Unlimited?
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Holycannoli✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Tamriel Unlimited is going to include all content from Updates 1-6, which includes the Champion System and the PvE component of the Justice System. We're not quite ready to discuss the exact details of what future DLC will contain, but Tamriel Unlimited will be everything up to Update 6.
If this means the imperial city will be paid content expect MAJOR backlash. Same with justice PvP.
If you're looking to slowly kill the game though then by all means monetize content that's been in the works for months. The players and game reviewers won't be harsh in their reviews, I promise.
By the way, I fully understand that if the game still had a subscription we would all be "paying" for this content anyway. but I also understand how easily offended gamers are. Remember how offended people were by the imperial edition? Or even the simple fact that the game required a subscription? People like Angry Joe did much to sink this game's popularity and they won't take kindly to everything being monetized so that it's almost like paying a sub anyway.Edited by Holycannoli on January 23, 2015 4:10AM4 -
Iago✭✭✭✭✭Holycannoli wrote: »ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Tamriel Unlimited is going to include all content from Updates 1-6, which includes the Champion System and the PvE component of the Justice System. We're not quite ready to discuss the exact details of what future DLC will contain, but Tamriel Unlimited will be everything up to Update 6.
If this means the imperial city will be paid content expect MAJOR backlash.
After the shock of the recent announcement I don't expect anything better than lies out of them anywayThat which we obtain to cheap we esteem to lightly, it is dearness only that gives everything its value.
-Thomas Pain2 -
Rydik✭✭✭✭
Yes, but one problem - When we get it and why it's DLC . It was announced half+ a year ago, when sub model was active, so we seems like payed for its development, and now it was moved to some unknown future because of b2p transfer and we must pay for it again or, ok, continue sub for unknown time. From ZOS answers its clear that on June console release we don't get it, so really we don't know when we get it, 5 months, 8 months...Perphection wrote: »ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »We'll get into all the details about DLC in the future when we're ready to fully discuss it.
You can't be serious with this... Are you really going to make Imperial City DLC? The lack of improvement to PvP, and countless failed patches are what caused so many of the games players to leave in the first place.
How can you expect players to return to the game, THEN purchase a DLC for content that should have been in the game from the start and expect them to trust that you didn't create another "lighting patch". Remember, you're trying to get players to come back to the game, not draw them in realize they have to pay for something they want to try and then have them dismiss the game all over again.
TL;DR - ZOS has a terrible track record with patching, if they expect players to come back and pay for Imperial city, and trust them.. they're out of their mind.
Sorry what are you complaining about?
If you pay for the sub like you would have had to without the new model you get access to Imperial City!!!
Seriously people stop being so emotional!!
So it's all looks like, that half of money, that we payed, is spended on development of content, that we must buy again later, much later...
Edited by Rydik on January 23, 2015 4:46AM0 -
Ommamar✭✭✭✭Interesting, they say if you buy "new location", you can go there and it will scale to your level, so people with different levels will go to different "new locations" with different levels scaling??? Hm, seems not good solution...
Well there is already a system that allows for VR characters to quest in the different faction low level zones at the same time as those starting in that faction. I expect it will be set up in a similar way.0 -
Rydik✭✭✭✭Interesting, they say if you buy "new location", you can go there and it will scale to your level, so people with different levels will go to different "new locations" with different levels scaling??? Hm, seems not good solution...
Well there is already a system that allows for VR characters to quest in the different faction low level zones at the same time as those starting in that faction. I expect it will be set up in a similar way.
Yes, we have 2 copies of zones for vet and non vet, because of it we cant play with people of another alliances, i think this just bring more separation for players and its sad.0 -
grimjim398✭✭✭ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Tamriel Unlimited is going to include all content from Updates 1-6, which includes the Champion System and the PvE component of the Justice System. We're not quite ready to discuss the exact details of what future DLC will contain, but Tamriel Unlimited will be everything up to Update 6.
Thanks for being so careful, because we wouldn't want you to mislead the community or anything like that. Since the fans are your inspiration and all.3 -
BoloBoffin✭✭✭✭✭Yes, but one problem - When we get it and why it's DLC . It was announced half+ a year ago, when sub model was active, so we seems like payed for its development, and now it was moved to some unknown future because of b2p transfer and we must pay for it again or, ok, continue sub for unknown time. From ZOS answers its clear that on June console release we don't get it, so really we don't know when we get it, 5 months, 8 months...
So it's all looks like, that half of money, that we payed, is spended on development of content, that we must buy again later...
I just don't see it like that. I bought a game I could play. I didn't buy a game I couldn't play. And I played the game I bought.
Zenimax used the money I spent to develop more game content, but I bought access to the content that was available to me. No one could have purchased the Imperial City yet. It hasn't been available to buy.Now let's dig on the Dirt Mound... (never gonna get it, never gonna get it, NEEEEver gonna get it, never gonna it)1 -
Bloodfang✭✭✭✭✭
Yes, but one problem - When we get it and why it's DLC . It was announced half+ a year ago, when sub model was active, so we seems like payed for its development, and now it was moved to some unknown future because of b2p transfer and we must pay for it again or, ok, continue sub for unknown time. From ZOS answers its clear that on June console release we don't get it, so really we don't know when we get it, 5 months, 8 months...Perphection wrote: »ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »We'll get into all the details about DLC in the future when we're ready to fully discuss it.
You can't be serious with this... Are you really going to make Imperial City DLC? The lack of improvement to PvP, and countless failed patches are what caused so many of the games players to leave in the first place.
How can you expect players to return to the game, THEN purchase a DLC for content that should have been in the game from the start and expect them to trust that you didn't create another "lighting patch". Remember, you're trying to get players to come back to the game, not draw them in realize they have to pay for something they want to try and then have them dismiss the game all over again.
TL;DR - ZOS has a terrible track record with patching, if they expect players to come back and pay for Imperial city, and trust them.. they're out of their mind.
Sorry what are you complaining about?
If you pay for the sub like you would have had to without the new model you get access to Imperial City!!!
Seriously people stop being so emotional!!
So it's all looks like, that half of money, that we payed, is spended on development of content, that we must buy again later, much later...
What kind of logic is that?
1. You were paying a Sub and getting Updates.
2. Now you will still be paying a Sub if you want new Updates.
Nothing is changing, except B2P people won't have access to newer content (if they don't buy it or sub). Simple as that.
Why is it that you don't want it locked behind a Subscription? Why do those who just bought a copy deserve Justice System PvP and Imperial City for Free?
From my Subscription standpoint I'm glad they won't give content like candies just because it was developed long time ago. We all payed for that long time ago, why give it for free to everyone now.
Us that were subscribed since the beginning deserve content locked behind a paywall. Heck even Craglorn and some other things should've been locked right from the launch of Tamriel Unlimited, but what the hell. It is what it is now.Edited by Bloodfang on January 23, 2015 5:00AM0 -
Iago✭✭✭✭✭
Yes, but one problem - When we get it and why it's DLC . It was announced half+ a year ago, when sub model was active, so we seems like payed for its development, and now it was moved to some unknown future because of b2p transfer and we must pay for it again or, ok, continue sub for unknown time. From ZOS answers its clear that on June console release we don't get it, so really we don't know when we get it, 5 months, 8 months...Perphection wrote: »ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »We'll get into all the details about DLC in the future when we're ready to fully discuss it.
You can't be serious with this... Are you really going to make Imperial City DLC? The lack of improvement to PvP, and countless failed patches are what caused so many of the games players to leave in the first place.
How can you expect players to return to the game, THEN purchase a DLC for content that should have been in the game from the start and expect them to trust that you didn't create another "lighting patch". Remember, you're trying to get players to come back to the game, not draw them in realize they have to pay for something they want to try and then have them dismiss the game all over again.
TL;DR - ZOS has a terrible track record with patching, if they expect players to come back and pay for Imperial city, and trust them.. they're out of their mind.
Sorry what are you complaining about?
If you pay for the sub like you would have had to without the new model you get access to Imperial City!!!
Seriously people stop being so emotional!!
So it's all looks like, that half of money, that we payed, is spended on development of content, that we must buy again later, much later...
What kind of logic is that?
1. You were paying a Sub and getting Updates.
2. Now you will still be paying a Sub if you want new Updates.
Nothing is changing, except B2P people won't have access to newer content (if they don't buy it or sub). Simple as that.
Why is it that you don't want it locked behind a Subscription? Why do those who just bought a copy deserve Justice System PvP and Imperial City for Free?
From my Subscription standpoint I'm glad they won't give content like candies just because it was developed long time ago. We all payed for that long time ago, why give it for free to everyone now.
Us that were subscribed since the beginning deserve content locked behind a paywall. Heck even Craglorn and some other things should've been locked right from the launch of Tamriel Unlimited, but what the hell. It is what it is now.
blood Fang I agree with you 100 percent they don't really need the lawyer PC subscribers anymore though they dupped everyone into paying for console development no they can sit back and laugh at us will they collect money from their pay to win cash shopThat which we obtain to cheap we esteem to lightly, it is dearness only that gives everything its value.
-Thomas Pain0 -
Rydik✭✭✭✭BoloBoffin wrote: »Yes, but one problem - When we get it and why it's DLC . It was announced half+ a year ago, when sub model was active, so we seems like payed for its development, and now it was moved to some unknown future because of b2p transfer and we must pay for it again or, ok, continue sub for unknown time. From ZOS answers its clear that on June console release we don't get it, so really we don't know when we get it, 5 months, 8 months...
So it's all looks like, that half of money, that we payed, is spended on development of content, that we must buy again later...
I just don't see it like that. I bought a game I could play. I didn't buy a game I couldn't play. And I played the game I bought.
Zenimax used the money I spent to develop more game content, but I bought access to the content that was available to me. No one could have purchased the Imperial City yet. It hasn't been available to buy.
We payed for game when we buy "box", then we payed sub for technical support, patches and 4-6 weeks updates, it was in development while sub system was active, so in my opinion it mustn't be "available to buy" for people who played on sub system from beginning, it must be free to them. For new players that start after b2p goes live and console players - DLCEdited by Rydik on January 23, 2015 5:43AM0 -
Rydik✭✭✭✭
It's all looks similar with "Day 1 DLC" situations. And its not good.
Yes, but one problem - When we get it and why it's DLC . It was announced half+ a year ago, when sub model was active, so we seems like payed for its development, and now it was moved to some unknown future because of b2p transfer and we must pay for it again or, ok, continue sub for unknown time. From ZOS answers its clear that on June console release we don't get it, so really we don't know when we get it, 5 months, 8 months...Perphection wrote: »ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »We'll get into all the details about DLC in the future when we're ready to fully discuss it.
You can't be serious with this... Are you really going to make Imperial City DLC? The lack of improvement to PvP, and countless failed patches are what caused so many of the games players to leave in the first place.
How can you expect players to return to the game, THEN purchase a DLC for content that should have been in the game from the start and expect them to trust that you didn't create another "lighting patch". Remember, you're trying to get players to come back to the game, not draw them in realize they have to pay for something they want to try and then have them dismiss the game all over again.
TL;DR - ZOS has a terrible track record with patching, if they expect players to come back and pay for Imperial city, and trust them.. they're out of their mind.
Sorry what are you complaining about?
If you pay for the sub like you would have had to without the new model you get access to Imperial City!!!
Seriously people stop being so emotional!!
So it's all looks like, that half of money, that we payed, is spended on development of content, that we must buy again later, much later...
What kind of logic is that?
1. You were paying a Sub and getting Updates.
2. Now you will still be paying a Sub if you want new Updates.
Nothing is changing, except B2P people won't have access to newer content (if they don't buy it or sub). Simple as that.
Why is it that you don't want it locked behind a Subscription? Why do those who just bought a copy deserve Justice System PvP and Imperial City for Free?
From my Subscription standpoint I'm glad they won't give content like candies just because it was developed long time ago. We all payed for that long time ago, why give it for free to everyone now.
Us that were subscribed since the beginning deserve content locked behind a paywall. Heck even Craglorn and some other things should've been locked right from the launch of Tamriel Unlimited, but what the hell. It is what it is now.
Not free for everyone, not for new players after b2p goes life, only for people played on sub from beginning and "invested" in its development.
I'm really ok with continuing sub (plus) etc, I just think that people who played long time on subs deserves some content, that was in progress very long time, for free (Imperial City, Full Justice) One thing I don't like in new system, that, while I remain on same sub, big updates will be much rarer than before.
Edited by Rydik on January 23, 2015 5:23AM2 -
Bloodfang✭✭✭✭✭
It's all looks similar with "Day 1 DLC" situations. And its not good.
Yes, but one problem - When we get it and why it's DLC . It was announced half+ a year ago, when sub model was active, so we seems like payed for its development, and now it was moved to some unknown future because of b2p transfer and we must pay for it again or, ok, continue sub for unknown time. From ZOS answers its clear that on June console release we don't get it, so really we don't know when we get it, 5 months, 8 months...Perphection wrote: »ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »We'll get into all the details about DLC in the future when we're ready to fully discuss it.
You can't be serious with this... Are you really going to make Imperial City DLC? The lack of improvement to PvP, and countless failed patches are what caused so many of the games players to leave in the first place.
How can you expect players to return to the game, THEN purchase a DLC for content that should have been in the game from the start and expect them to trust that you didn't create another "lighting patch". Remember, you're trying to get players to come back to the game, not draw them in realize they have to pay for something they want to try and then have them dismiss the game all over again.
TL;DR - ZOS has a terrible track record with patching, if they expect players to come back and pay for Imperial city, and trust them.. they're out of their mind.
Sorry what are you complaining about?
If you pay for the sub like you would have had to without the new model you get access to Imperial City!!!
Seriously people stop being so emotional!!
So it's all looks like, that half of money, that we payed, is spended on development of content, that we must buy again later, much later...
What kind of logic is that?
1. You were paying a Sub and getting Updates.
2. Now you will still be paying a Sub if you want new Updates.
Nothing is changing, except B2P people won't have access to newer content (if they don't buy it or sub). Simple as that.
Why is it that you don't want it locked behind a Subscription? Why do those who just bought a copy deserve Justice System PvP and Imperial City for Free?
From my Subscription standpoint I'm glad they won't give content like candies just because it was developed long time ago. We all payed for that long time ago, why give it for free to everyone now.
Us that were subscribed since the beginning deserve content locked behind a paywall. Heck even Craglorn and some other things should've been locked right from the launch of Tamriel Unlimited, but what the hell. It is what it is now.
Not free for everyone, not for new players after b2p goes life, only for people played on sub from beginning and "invested" in its development.
The thing which is funny though is when they said this will be just like ESO 2.0.
Seems like they weren't joking after all.
B2P people won't have the access to any of the DLCs. Which I'm sure will be many.
And us who were paying for a Subscription fee, will have to keep on paying..for the things which were probably developed more than 6 months ago..Edited by Bloodfang on January 23, 2015 5:16AM1 -
Iago✭✭✭✭✭
It's all looks similar with "Day 1 DLC" situations. And its not good.
Yes, but one problem - When we get it and why it's DLC . It was announced half+ a year ago, when sub model was active, so we seems like payed for its development, and now it was moved to some unknown future because of b2p transfer and we must pay for it again or, ok, continue sub for unknown time. From ZOS answers its clear that on June console release we don't get it, so really we don't know when we get it, 5 months, 8 months...Perphection wrote: »ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »We'll get into all the details about DLC in the future when we're ready to fully discuss it.
You can't be serious with this... Are you really going to make Imperial City DLC? The lack of improvement to PvP, and countless failed patches are what caused so many of the games players to leave in the first place.
How can you expect players to return to the game, THEN purchase a DLC for content that should have been in the game from the start and expect them to trust that you didn't create another "lighting patch". Remember, you're trying to get players to come back to the game, not draw them in realize they have to pay for something they want to try and then have them dismiss the game all over again.
TL;DR - ZOS has a terrible track record with patching, if they expect players to come back and pay for Imperial city, and trust them.. they're out of their mind.
Sorry what are you complaining about?
If you pay for the sub like you would have had to without the new model you get access to Imperial City!!!
Seriously people stop being so emotional!!
So it's all looks like, that half of money, that we payed, is spended on development of content, that we must buy again later, much later...
What kind of logic is that?
1. You were paying a Sub and getting Updates.
2. Now you will still be paying a Sub if you want new Updates.
Nothing is changing, except B2P people won't have access to newer content (if they don't buy it or sub). Simple as that.
Why is it that you don't want it locked behind a Subscription? Why do those who just bought a copy deserve Justice System PvP and Imperial City for Free?
From my Subscription standpoint I'm glad they won't give content like candies just because it was developed long time ago. We all payed for that long time ago, why give it for free to everyone now.
Us that were subscribed since the beginning deserve content locked behind a paywall. Heck even Craglorn and some other things should've been locked right from the launch of Tamriel Unlimited, but what the hell. It is what it is now.
Not free for everyone, not for new players after b2p goes life, only for people played on sub from beginning and "invested" in its development.
The thing which is funny though is when they said this will be just like ESO 2.0.
Seems like they weren't joking after all.
B2P people won't have the access to any of the DLCs. Which I'm sure will be many.
And us who were paying for a Subscription fee, will have to keep on paying..for the things which were probably developed more than 6 months ago..
my big question is how much cheaper is the subscription going to be vs 2 DLC fDLC cost 30 bucks and it only comes out every 3 to 6 months then by to play might be the way to go...... depending upon the price of the stuff from the crown store 1500 crowns a month might not buy jack *** I wish we could see what the prices were going to be like I'm sure they have those prices all figured out by now.That which we obtain to cheap we esteem to lightly, it is dearness only that gives everything its value.
-Thomas Pain1 -
BoloBoffin✭✭✭✭✭BoloBoffin wrote: »Yes, but one problem - When we get it and why it's DLC . It was announced half+ a year ago, when sub model was active, so we seems like payed for its development, and now it was moved to some unknown future because of b2p transfer and we must pay for it again or, ok, continue sub for unknown time. From ZOS answers its clear that on June console release we don't get it, so really we don't know when we get it, 5 months, 8 months...
So it's all looks like, that half of money, that we payed, is spended on development of content, that we must buy again later...
I just don't see it like that. I bought a game I could play. I didn't buy a game I couldn't play. And I played the game I bought.
Zenimax used the money I spent to develop more game content, but I bought access to the content that was available to me. No one could have purchased the Imperial City yet. It hasn't been available to buy.
We payed for game when we buy "box", then we payed sub for technical support, patches and 4-6 weeks updates, it was in development while sub system was active, so in my opinion it mustn't be "available to buy" for people who played on sub system from beginning, it must be free for them. For new players that start after b2p goes live and console players - DLC
No. It is available to you if you continue your subscription. It would never have been free. That's always been the deal.Now let's dig on the Dirt Mound... (never gonna get it, never gonna get it, NEEEEver gonna get it, never gonna it)0 -
Rydik✭✭✭✭
Yes, it would be so if game still was p2p, but they changed the model, new players will get all what we payed for months (upd 1-6) for free (they pay only actual game price), so some nearly finished things must be free for us, World balance etc=) Or we really just payed for beta test.BoloBoffin wrote: »BoloBoffin wrote: »Yes, but one problem - When we get it and why it's DLC . It was announced half+ a year ago, when sub model was active, so we seems like payed for its development, and now it was moved to some unknown future because of b2p transfer and we must pay for it again or, ok, continue sub for unknown time. From ZOS answers its clear that on June console release we don't get it, so really we don't know when we get it, 5 months, 8 months...
So it's all looks like, that half of money, that we payed, is spended on development of content, that we must buy again later...
I just don't see it like that. I bought a game I could play. I didn't buy a game I couldn't play. And I played the game I bought.
Zenimax used the money I spent to develop more game content, but I bought access to the content that was available to me. No one could have purchased the Imperial City yet. It hasn't been available to buy.
We payed for game when we buy "box", then we payed sub for technical support, patches and 4-6 weeks updates, it was in development while sub system was active, so in my opinion it mustn't be "available to buy" for people who played on sub system from beginning, it must be free for them. For new players that start after b2p goes live and console players - DLC
No. It is available to you if you continue your subscription. It would never have been free. That's always been the deal.Edited by Rydik on January 23, 2015 5:53AM0 -
AngryNord✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Holycannoli wrote: »ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Tamriel Unlimited is going to include all content from Updates 1-6, which includes the Champion System and the PvE component of the Justice System. We're not quite ready to discuss the exact details of what future DLC will contain, but Tamriel Unlimited will be everything up to Update 6.
If this means the imperial city will be paid content expect MAJOR backlash. Same with justice PvP.
If you're looking to slowly kill the game though then by all means monetize content that's been in the works for months. The players and game reviewers won't be harsh in their reviews, I promise.
By the way, I fully understand that if the game still had a subscription we would all be "paying" for this content anyway. but I also understand how easily offended gamers are. Remember how offended people were by the imperial edition? Or even the simple fact that the game required a subscription? People like Angry Joe did much to sink this game's popularity and they won't take kindly to everything being monetized so that it's almost like paying a sub anyway.
Those who continue to sub will not have to pay for DLC, only the freeloaders...0 -
Xsorus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »You guys simply havent been through this before. LOTRO did the same thing. Promised more frequent updates etc. Fact is not only did they not put out any updates for almost 6 months after the switch but they went from around 300,000 players to under 100k players within a year.
Content is going to come slower. Those videos you saw mean nothing. They have been showing those since before the game came out. Those areas have been put on hold to program the b2p switch. Why do you think 1.6 has been delayed for months? Once they put this new system in it will be so fubar they will spend the next 6 months trying to fix it. THEN they will add new zones.
Every time someone brings up what LOTRO did, I can't help but laugh...The game put out more Expansion packs and zones in the time that its been f2p then it ever did when it was subscriber based...Edited by Xsorus on January 23, 2015 5:48AMhttps://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXpX7JMwRXtczc5GTrIYRIw
ESO and GW2 PvP videos0 -
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Yes, but one problem - When we get it and why it's DLC . It was announced half+ a year ago, when sub model was active, so we seems like payed for its development, and now it was moved to some unknown future because of b2p transfer and we must pay for it again or, ok, continue sub for unknown time. From ZOS answers its clear that on June console release we don't get it, so really we don't know when we get it, 5 months, 8 months...Perphection wrote: »ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »We'll get into all the details about DLC in the future when we're ready to fully discuss it.
You can't be serious with this... Are you really going to make Imperial City DLC? The lack of improvement to PvP, and countless failed patches are what caused so many of the games players to leave in the first place.
How can you expect players to return to the game, THEN purchase a DLC for content that should have been in the game from the start and expect them to trust that you didn't create another "lighting patch". Remember, you're trying to get players to come back to the game, not draw them in realize they have to pay for something they want to try and then have them dismiss the game all over again.
TL;DR - ZOS has a terrible track record with patching, if they expect players to come back and pay for Imperial city, and trust them.. they're out of their mind.
Sorry what are you complaining about?
If you pay for the sub like you would have had to without the new model you get access to Imperial City!!!
Seriously people stop being so emotional!!
So it's all looks like, that half of money, that we payed, is spended on development of content, that we must buy again later, much later...
What kind of logic is that?
1. You were paying a Sub and getting Updates.
2. Now you will still be paying a Sub if you want new Updates.
Nothing is changing, except B2P people won't have access to newer content (if they don't buy it or sub). Simple as that.
Why is it that you don't want it locked behind a Subscription? Why do those who just bought a copy deserve Justice System PvP and Imperial City for Free?
From my Subscription standpoint I'm glad they won't give content like candies just because it was developed long time ago. We all payed for that long time ago, why give it for free to everyone now.
Us that were subscribed since the beginning deserve content locked behind a paywall. Heck even Craglorn and some other things should've been locked right from the launch of Tamriel Unlimited, but what the hell. It is what it is now.
This...I can't understand the mind set of some of these people who are appalled that people not paying a subscription will have to buy content.
If you are paying a subscription, you get this content just like you did before.https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXpX7JMwRXtczc5GTrIYRIw
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Bloodfang✭✭✭✭✭xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »You guys simply havent been through this before. LOTRO did the same thing. Promised more frequent updates etc. Fact is not only did they not put out any updates for almost 6 months after the switch but they went from around 300,000 players to under 100k players within a year.
Content is going to come slower. Those videos you saw mean nothing. They have been showing those since before the game came out. Those areas have been put on hold to program the b2p switch. Why do you think 1.6 has been delayed for months? Once they put this new system in it will be so fubar they will spend the next 6 months trying to fix it. THEN they will add new zones.
Every time someone brings up what LOTRO did, I can't help but laugh...The game put out more Expansion packs and zones in the time that its been f2p then it ever did when it was subscriber based...
I don't know about LOTRO.
But did any other MMO ever switch to the same model ESO is aiming at?
I mean this looks like:
Base game + Update 1-6 -> B2P
Update 7+ -> P2P
Meaning a Hybrid between B2P and P2P. I don't think I've ever seen such a thing in the industry.Edited by Bloodfang on January 23, 2015 5:55AM0 -
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You payed actual game price + subs for upd 1-6, right? Now new ones will get all it for free (only game price) I'm ok to buy new content, but we already payed for old one, and now it become free.xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »
Yes, but one problem - When we get it and why it's DLC . It was announced half+ a year ago, when sub model was active, so we seems like payed for its development, and now it was moved to some unknown future because of b2p transfer and we must pay for it again or, ok, continue sub for unknown time. From ZOS answers its clear that on June console release we don't get it, so really we don't know when we get it, 5 months, 8 months...Perphection wrote: »ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »We'll get into all the details about DLC in the future when we're ready to fully discuss it.
You can't be serious with this... Are you really going to make Imperial City DLC? The lack of improvement to PvP, and countless failed patches are what caused so many of the games players to leave in the first place.
How can you expect players to return to the game, THEN purchase a DLC for content that should have been in the game from the start and expect them to trust that you didn't create another "lighting patch". Remember, you're trying to get players to come back to the game, not draw them in realize they have to pay for something they want to try and then have them dismiss the game all over again.
TL;DR - ZOS has a terrible track record with patching, if they expect players to come back and pay for Imperial city, and trust them.. they're out of their mind.
Sorry what are you complaining about?
If you pay for the sub like you would have had to without the new model you get access to Imperial City!!!
Seriously people stop being so emotional!!
So it's all looks like, that half of money, that we payed, is spended on development of content, that we must buy again later, much later...
What kind of logic is that?
1. You were paying a Sub and getting Updates.
2. Now you will still be paying a Sub if you want new Updates.
Nothing is changing, except B2P people won't have access to newer content (if they don't buy it or sub). Simple as that.
Why is it that you don't want it locked behind a Subscription? Why do those who just bought a copy deserve Justice System PvP and Imperial City for Free?
From my Subscription standpoint I'm glad they won't give content like candies just because it was developed long time ago. We all payed for that long time ago, why give it for free to everyone now.
Us that were subscribed since the beginning deserve content locked behind a paywall. Heck even Craglorn and some other things should've been locked right from the launch of Tamriel Unlimited, but what the hell. It is what it is now.
This...I can't understand the mind set of some of these people who are appalled that people not paying a subscription will have to buy content.
If you are paying a subscription, you get this content just like you did before.
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Yes, it would be so if game still was p2p, but they changed the model, new players will get all what we payed for months (upd 1-6) for free (they pay only actual game price), so some nearly finished things must be free for us, World balance etc=) Or we really just payed for beta test.BoloBoffin wrote: »
We payed for game when we buy "box", then we payed sub for technical support, patches and 4-6 weeks updates, it was in development while sub system was active, so in my opinion it mustn't be "available to buy" for people who played on sub system from beginning, it must be free for them. For new players that start after b2p goes live and console players - DLC
No. It is available to you if you continue your subscription. It would never have been free. That's always been the deal.
No. You know what they don't get? The almost year we got playing the game. That's what we bought with our subscription. If you want to consider that "paid beta," that's your deal. I got almost a year with a great guild playing a game I had a lot of fun with, looking forward to more.Now let's dig on the Dirt Mound... (never gonna get it, never gonna get it, NEEEEver gonna get it, never gonna it)0 -
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Ok, we payed for early access=)BoloBoffin wrote: »
Yes, it would be so if game still was p2p, but they changed the model, new players will get all what we payed for months (upd 1-6) for free (they pay only actual game price), so some nearly finished things must be free for us, World balance etc=) Or we really just payed for beta test.BoloBoffin wrote: »
We payed for game when we buy "box", then we payed sub for technical support, patches and 4-6 weeks updates, it was in development while sub system was active, so in my opinion it mustn't be "available to buy" for people who played on sub system from beginning, it must be free for them. For new players that start after b2p goes live and console players - DLC
No. It is available to you if you continue your subscription. It would never have been free. That's always been the deal.
No. You know what they don't get? The almost year we got playing the game. That's what we bought with our subscription. If you want to consider that "paid beta," that's your deal. I got almost a year with a great guild playing a game I had a lot of fun with, looking forward to more.
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Please don't state that as fact. The facts that we have are:Just to clear some things out:
- Justice System PvP part -> WILL be DLC
- Imperial City -> WILL be DLC
- Champion System phase 4 -> WON'T be DLC- Regular updates and new gameplay will be offered to all players to enjoy free of additional charges.
- Tamriel Unlimited will be supported with special, optional downloadable content available for purchase.
There are reasons for them to go either way on this, and they may not have fully decided yet. We can help direct them to what we believe is best for the players.Edited by Enodoc on January 23, 2015 9:41AMUESP: The Unofficial Elder Scrolls Pages - A collaborative source for all knowledge on the Elder Scrolls series since 1995
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Please don't state that as fact. The facts that we have are:Just to clear some things out:
- Justice System PvP part -> WILL be DLC
- Imperial City -> WILL be DLC
- Champion System phase 4 -> WON'T be DLC- Regular updates and new gameplay will be offered to all players to enjoy free of additional charges.
- Tamriel Unlimited will be supported with special, optional downloadable content available for purchase.
There are reasons for them to go either way on this, and they may not have fully decided yet. We can help direct them to what we believe is best for the players.
Just took the time to watch the Twitch broadcast, and yes, I can see the full Justice system and Imperial City being in the "new gameplay free of charge" category. That answered several questions I had, actually.Now let's dig on the Dirt Mound... (never gonna get it, never gonna get it, NEEEEver gonna get it, never gonna it)0 -
ginoboehm✭✭✭✭✭ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »We'll get into all the details about DLC in the future when we're ready to fully discuss it.
It is sooo sad that you as a company do not appreciate or respect any of your customers who paid for a year long beta. Your non answers about promised content and that you hold back content for month now just because of the new big f2p/b2p money grab is a slap in the face of anyone playing this game for a year now. All you are talking about now is dlcs costumes and scaled content no new endgame content or sandboxy stuff like imperial city which could make us happy but go on you will make a big heap of money and ruin the game within a year which seems the goal. I am not even mad about this year because this game was super fun but how it will build longlasting fans with your attitude and how you treat customers is beyond my imagination0 -
Iago✭✭✭✭✭ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Tamriel Unlimited is going to include all content from Updates 1-6, which includes the Champion System and the PvE component of the Justice System. We're not quite ready to discuss the exact details of what future DLC will contain, but Tamriel Unlimited will be everything up to Update 6.
Does this mean that the content we were promised moths ago has been withheld so that Zeni can look good on console?That which we obtain to cheap we esteem to lightly, it is dearness only that gives everything its value.
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ginoboehm✭✭✭✭✭ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Tamriel Unlimited is going to include all content from Updates 1-6, which includes the Champion System and the PvE component of the Justice System. We're not quite ready to discuss the exact details of what future DLC will contain, but Tamriel Unlimited will be everything up to Update 6.
Does this mean that the content we were promised moths ago has been withheld so that Zeni can look good on console?
No no 1.6 just took that long to develop any coincidence with b2p is just a miracle. And imperial city was not released because it needed more time. At least we have gotten craglorn be happy about that0 -
killedbyping✭✭✭✭There is no way Imperial City will be available for free. It will come as DLC as ANY new veteran dungeon or new zone or even new dungeons or Trials in those zones.
Justice system however will be free for sure. Bcoz it is simply game mechanics which should work either for every1 or for nobody.0 -
killedbyping✭✭✭✭ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »We'll get into all the details about DLC in the future when we're ready to fully discuss it.
It is sooo sad that you as a company do not appreciate or respect any of your customers who paid for a year long beta. Your non answers about promised content and that you hold back content for month now just because of the new big f2p/b2p money grab is a slap in the face of anyone playing this game for a year now. All you are talking about now is dlcs costumes and scaled content no new endgame content or sandboxy stuff like imperial city which could make us happy but go on you will make a big heap of money and ruin the game within a year which seems the goal. I am not even mad about this year because this game was super fun but how it will build longlasting fans with your attitude and how you treat customers is beyond my imagination
Sad part is that they alrdy did ruined game long ago. This is why they went B2P. They need to renew player base, which lowering to 0 rather fast.
I give this game 3 years max.Edited by killedbyping on January 23, 2015 10:21PM0 -
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✭ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Tamriel Unlimited is going to include all content from Updates 1-6, which includes the Champion System and the PvE component of the Justice System. We're not quite ready to discuss the exact details of what future DLC will contain, but Tamriel Unlimited will be everything up to Update 6.
So basically, Craglorn and the base game. As the rest of the items are "mechanics" and "systems".1