Do the ESO+ and/or current Subs get ahead of the B2P queue?

Wargaard · January 2015

This is one thing I'm yet to see mentioned by ZOS. I assume there will be queue's.

There may be login queues. But what about Cyrodiil? Thornblade Na queues can be bad enough now, let alone with new baddies.. err B2P 'free' players exacerbating the queues.

The assumption would be yes, if you're an ESO+ sub, you would (as should those who subbed for the last 6+months - but that's another story).

But assumptions here don't mean it will be so. Can we get a solid answer?

Will sub's/ESO+ jump login queues?
Will sub's/ESO+ jump Cyrodiil queues?

jcasini222ub17_ESO · January 2015

This is a great question and I am eagerly awaiting an answer. ZOS maybe a little clarity?

DeLindsay · January 2015

Bump, very good question indeed. I know that Trion did this with Patron accounts in Rift, hopefully ZoS will do the same in ESO with ESO Plus.

Ackwalan · January 2015

There will be a one time use potion in the cash shop that will let you port right to Cyrodiil, bypassing the queue all together.

Ommamar · January 2015

It is something to be addressed. I expect ZOS is going to add more instances of the campaigns.
Of course if you listen to the forums the majority think this is game is now DOOMED so the population won't be an issue.
Really the only faction that seems to have topped off population outside Chillrend is AD.

Wargaard · January 2015

A lot of people on here are having knee-jerk reactions - but will still play the game.

Down the track when this happens, I would like an answer. It's probably quite straight forward to answer (and implement? ie they did early access).

But if something like there to be implemented and a statement given it's a positive outcome imo.

Bouvin · January 2015

Wargaard wrote: »

This is one thing I'm yet to see mentioned by ZOS. I assume there will be queue's.

There may be login queues. But what about Cyrodiil? Thornblade Na queues can be bad enough now, let alone with new baddies.. err B2P 'free' players exacerbating the queues.

The assumption would be yes, if you're an ESO+ sub, you would (as should those who subbed for the last 6+months - but that's another story).

But assumptions here don't mean it will be so. Can we get a solid answer?

Will sub's/ESO+ jump login queues?
Will sub's/ESO+ jump Cyrodiil queues?

LOL, you're assuming ZOS is smart enough to have thought this through.

It's doubtful you'll get ahead in Queues as a + player because then all the Unlimited players would freak out.

So basically, the lines are going to get longer as people who don't have to play a sub stream into Cyrodil.

Gidorick · January 2015

Good question. DCUO did this VERY well.

Gorthax · January 2015

Someone at zos please answer this. I was thinking about this very thing earlier.

Vikestart · January 2015

Because of ESO's megaserver server architecture, there may not need to be queues at all, no.

Wargaard · January 2015

May not need to be? For login's maybe not. That's a good thing.

Yes they are raising the pop cap, ZOS have stated that I've been told. But even when at full cap, Thornblade et al. were a pain to get into.

Will it be going back to what it was cap wise? No idea. But if there are issues getting into PvP for people paying $15 a month, that will only be detrimental to the current loyal playerbase.

Just my 2c, I thought something like this should be there.

I agree with Vikestart, the architecture means there probably shouldn't be queues at all. Not even right now...

Vikestart · January 2015

Oh... for PvP there might be queues.

However, maybe they can solve that by having the game automatically create a new instance when the other one gets full.

Ensuring the factions are somewhat balanced is important too.

jcasini222ub17_ESO · January 2015

So maybe a little name dropping could help speed up an answer to this rather straight forward question. Coming back to this thread it dawned on me none of us linked anyone who could, maybe, provide an answer. Oops lol.

@ZOS_MichelleA‌ @ZOS_JasonL @ZOS_GinaBruno

Wargaard · January 2015

Still nothing, which is understandable considering the workload and number of questions that ZOS would be receiving. Let's keep the thread alive though.
@ZOS_MichelleA‌ @ZOS_JasonL @ZOS_GinaBruno

DeLindsay · January 2015

Careful people that are linking @ZOS names to get their attention, I've seen several comments just get deleted by Mods for doing that very thing since the B2P announcement. Apparently ZoS Mods don't like it when players ask firmly for answers to valid questions. Which is why I don't link their names anymore, got tired of having my own deleted as well.

ZOS_AlanG wrote: »

Please remember that we do not allow moderation to be discussed on the forums.

Tagging a large number of names in a post can be spammy, especially if people begin quoting the post. We recommend, instead, that you post your question in ESO Live Ask Us Anything thread. A more direct option for sending us feedback is using the in-game /feedback command. This has the benefit of sending your comments directly to us, although obviously it lacks the opportunity for community discussion. You're of course welcome to use both.

This was just posted in another thread about a different topic where several players were linking @ZOS names. So apparently trying to bring attention to a post is considered spam by Mods, who knew.

EDIT: I saved this comment off forum just in case even warning folks about linking @ZOS names and quoting a MOD gets this comment deleted or me banned

jcasini222ub17_ESO · January 2015

That's interesting DeLindsay, I will keep this in mind going forward.

Wargaard · January 2015

That's... more than a little bit absurd.

Thanks for the heads up DeLindsay.

JoffyToffy69 · January 2015

With increased population, hopefully other campaigns will become livelier, releasing the strain on just one over populated campaign.

But I agree, Subscribers should jump ques. It adds value to the subscription model which currently, isn't appealing to some people in regards to value.

Xjcon · January 2015

This is a good question. And would be epic for a person who isn't a sub player to get a message like "You are being moved back in que by a ESO+ member, if you would like to prevent this please go to our website and sign up to be a plus member".

Nacario · January 2015

At least make it so that the guards look the other way when upper class 'plus' nicks things from peasants and townsfolk

Vizier · January 2015

Subs should take priority in any and all queue's. Furthermore they should kick the non-subbed from Cyrodiil en lieu of zoning subbed players.

DeLindsay · January 2015

I would love to hear a response from ZoS as this is a very important question.

Merlin13KAGL · January 2015

They won't - they won't view it as a benefit to the subs, they'll view it as a detriment to the freebies.

rawne1980b16_ESO · January 2015

It stands to reason that those paying a subscription will get priority queues.

At least, I hope that's how it's going to work.

Vizier wrote: »

Furthermore they should kick the non-subbed from Cyrodiil en lieu of zoning subbed players.

That would cause people to stop playing.

Things like that don't usually work out the way you think they will. It won't encourage people to pay it will bring them to the internet to aim rage at ZOS and then uninstall the game.

Perhaps that's fun for you but not exactly a good way to bring in players.

I'm planning on paying so it wouldn't bother me it's just a really bad idea from a business point of view.

ZOS_JessicaFolsom · January 2015

This is a great question. We don't currently plan to differentiate ESO Plus accounts versus non-ESO Plus accounts for queue priority.

fromtesonlineb16_ESO · January 2015

Wargaard wrote: »

This is one thing I'm yet to see mentioned by ZOS. I assume there will be queue's.

There may be login queues. But what about Cyrodiil? Thornblade Na queues can be bad enough now, let alone with new baddies.. err B2P 'free' players exacerbating the queues.

The assumption would be yes, if you're an ESO+ sub, you would (as should those who subbed for the last 6+months - but that's another story).

But assumptions here don't mean it will be so. Can we get a solid answer?

Will sub's/ESO+ jump login queues?
Will sub's/ESO+ jump Cyrodiil queues?

No reason to expect ZOS to do this, I have no idea where your assumption comes from at all.

As for your snide little reference to baddies, you tried to make it look like a joke, I don't expect it was.

clocksstoppe · January 2015

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

This is a great question. We don't currently plan to differentiate ESO Plus accounts versus non-ESO Plus accounts for queue priority.

Nice respect you got for your paying customers there, friend.

SanderBuraas · January 2015

clocksstoppe wrote: »

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

This is a great question. We don't currently plan to differentiate ESO Plus accounts versus non-ESO Plus accounts for queue priority.

Nice respect you got for your paying customers there, friend.

It's not about respect, it's about the fairness of the game. In games that allow subscribed players to bypass queues, there are often game-changing items in the cash shop - in contrast to how Zenimax wish to run their crown shop. Subscribing players will have boosts to experience, gold etc, and also access to all dlc areas during your subscriptions. However, for queues it is first come first serve.

wraith808 · January 2015

clocksstoppe wrote: »

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

This is a great question. We don't currently plan to differentiate ESO Plus accounts versus non-ESO Plus accounts for queue priority.

Nice respect you got for your paying customers there, friend.

Currently is a word you should look up. Perhaps they plan to see how things go? And this is why sometimes we get no response...

Dagoth_Rac · January 2015

If subscribers were jumping the queue and leaving non-subscribers with extraordinarily long queue times, there would be huge amounts of screaming on the interwebz about, "They said it was B2P now, but it is still P2P! You have to pay to PvP! I was 47th in queue and now I am 58th because subscribers keep jumping ahead of me!"

The only time this would even be needed is if queues were extremely long. And in that case, they need to add more campaigns and more servers so that everyone, subscribers and non-subscribers, can play the game. A game with really long queue times is bad. A game with really long queue times and a way to buy yourself past those long queue times? That is bad and will set the gaming world ablaze with screams of hatred.

As long as there are long queues, they are in a no-win situation. Make your most profitable customers (subscribers) angry when they are paying $15/month to sit in a queue? Or make your most numerous customers (non-subscribers) angry when they feel they have to pay $15/month if they even want to play the game?

ZOS needs to keep queue times at a minimum. That is the only solution to this problem that will make all their customers happy.

Darlgon · January 2015

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

This is a great question. We don't currently plan to differentiate ESO Plus accounts versus non-ESO Plus accounts for queue priority.

Sad... be nice if you did, or at least, started working on it. I predict login queues for the first time since Beta on March 17th. Thanks for the reply.