Elsterchen wrote: »Does anyone has any experience in this?
That "rent" is basically your sub fee. It's likely to stay the same, so if you just stay subscribed all the time, nothing changes compared to the way it was before (at least for now. We'll see crown store powercreep eventually, but this has nothing to do with the price of subscription.) You'll be able to access all DLC as long as you're subbed.
You could also use the crown stipend subscribers get every month (1500 crowns) to purchase DLC despite already having access to them through the sub. We don't know what the prices will be, so it's hard to say if it'll be enough to get everything, but it's an option. That way you'll still own them even after your subscription expires. That's the safest route for people unsure if they'll always be subbed.
Yeah, I didn't mean everything as in every single item available in the story, but rather the important DLC if you decide to save up for them. We won't be seeing them every month, so it could work out.starkerealm wrote: »That "rent" is basically your sub fee. It's likely to stay the same, so if you just stay subscribed all the time, nothing changes compared to the way it was before (at least for now. We'll see crown store powercreep eventually, but this has nothing to do with the price of subscription.) You'll be able to access all DLC as long as you're subbed.
You could also use the crown stipend subscribers get every month (1500 crowns) to purchase DLC despite already having access to them through the sub. We don't know what the prices will be, so it's hard to say if it'll be enough to get everything, but it's an option. That way you'll still own them even after your subscription expires. That's the safest route for people unsure if they'll always be subbed.
While we don't know what those crowns will work out to... I think we can safely say, "no, it won't be enough to get everything." But, just going off how fake money currencies usually work, I'm willing to bet 1500 will be enough to get a couple neat things every month.
Obviously, we'll actually know once the Crowns hit PTS.
You're making things up because you don't want to admit ESO is the same kind of financial failure LoTRO, Rift and SW:TOR (to name three MMOs I played since launch and still play) were which is why they went down the road ZOS are going.starkerealm wrote: »In those cases, the company is hemorrhaging cash, and they need to do everything they can to shore up their income. At that point, the reflexive reaction is to try squeezing as much blood out of everyone that gets within grabbing distance. Sometimes the game survives, sometimes it continues it's long slide into dying.
But, that's not exactly what's happened here.
Most MMOs, you'll see a declining population, subscription numbers drop. But, ESO seems to have remarkably solid retention. From conventional wisdom, taking this game Buy to Play doesn't make a lot of sense.
fromtesonlineb16_ESO wrote: »You're making things up because you don't want to admit ESO is the same kind of financial failure LoTRO, Rift and SW:TOR (to name three MMOs I played since launch and still play) were which is why they went down the road ZOS are going.starkerealm wrote: »In those cases, the company is hemorrhaging cash, and they need to do everything they can to shore up their income. At that point, the reflexive reaction is to try squeezing as much blood out of everyone that gets within grabbing distance. Sometimes the game survives, sometimes it continues it's long slide into dying.
But, that's not exactly what's happened here.
Most MMOs, you'll see a declining population, subscription numbers drop. But, ESO seems to have remarkably solid retention. From conventional wisdom, taking this game Buy to Play doesn't make a lot of sense.
You have no idea what the retention figures are, ZOS haven't said, you're simply posting that to try to help you believe ESO is in some ways different from those games I name, and others: deluding yourself isn't going to change reality.
Sadly all the games forums for those games I mention cleared out then forums, I can't link any more the scores of posts on those forums that are simply being repeated round here, now.
Every one of those games had players convince 'their' game was different and that the change was long-planned and intended: the fact Rift went F2P within 18 months of its launch and Trion were adamant it wasn't going to go F2P, while SW:TOR didn't last 6 months, was entirely ignored by those players desperately trying to avoid facing reality.
I'm waiting to see, if ESO follows Rift then the game will largely be unaffected and the Store something easily avoided if one wants to, if ZOS follow Turbine however ESO's design will become simply a 'driver' for the Store and all integrity in the design process will evaporate.
Time will tell.
fromtesonlineb16_ESO wrote: »You're making things up because you don't want to admit ESO is the same kind of financial failure LoTRO, Rift and SW:TOR (to name three MMOs I played since launch and still play) were which is why they went down the road ZOS are going.starkerealm wrote: »In those cases, the company is hemorrhaging cash, and they need to do everything they can to shore up their income. At that point, the reflexive reaction is to try squeezing as much blood out of everyone that gets within grabbing distance. Sometimes the game survives, sometimes it continues it's long slide into dying.
But, that's not exactly what's happened here.
Most MMOs, you'll see a declining population, subscription numbers drop. But, ESO seems to have remarkably solid retention. From conventional wisdom, taking this game Buy to Play doesn't make a lot of sense.
You have no idea what the retention figures are, ZOS haven't said, you're simply posting that to try to help you believe ESO is in some ways different from those games I name, and others: deluding yourself isn't going to change reality.
Sadly all the games forums for those games I mention cleared out then forums, I can't link any more the scores of posts on those forums that are simply being repeated round here, now.
Every one of those games had players convince 'their' game was different and that the change was long-planned and intended: the fact Rift went F2P within 18 months of its launch and Trion were adamant it wasn't going to go F2P, while SW:TOR didn't last 6 months, was entirely ignored by those players desperately trying to avoid facing reality.
I'm waiting to see, if ESO follows Rift then the game will largely be unaffected and the Store something easily avoided if one wants to, if ZOS follow Turbine however ESO's design will become simply a 'driver' for the Store and all integrity in the design process will evaporate.
Time will tell.
Nope. Sorry, your trolling is in another castle.fromtesonlineb16_ESO wrote: »You're making things up because you don't want to admit ESO is the same kind of financial failure LoTRO, Rift and SW:TOR (to name three MMOs I played since launch and still play) were which is why they went down the road ZOS are going.
fromtesonlineb16_ESO wrote: »You have no idea what the retention figures are,
fromtesonlineb16_ESO wrote: »ZOS haven't said,
fromtesonlineb16_ESO wrote: »you're simply posting that to try to help you believe ESO is in some ways different from those games I name, and others: deluding yourself isn't going to change reality.
The company that published them uses dubious metrics to come up with those numbers, and even went as far as to say they somehow were using information that is illegal for them to obtain (in the States, at least).
starkerealm wrote: »The company that published them uses dubious metrics to come up with those numbers, and even went as far as to say they somehow were using information that is illegal for them to obtain (in the States, at least).
To be honest, given the state of US law, accidentally picking up your girlfriend's phone and posting an update to her facebook timeline is illegal.
But, tell ya what, why don't you link to your "probably illegal" page, and I'll tell you if you're using the same source I am.
starkerealm wrote: »The company that published them uses dubious metrics to come up with those numbers, and even went as far as to say they somehow were using information that is illegal for them to obtain (in the States, at least).
To be honest, given the state of US law, accidentally picking up your girlfriend's phone and posting an update to her facebook timeline is illegal.
But, tell ya what, why don't you link to your "probably illegal" page, and I'll tell you if you're using the same source I am.
Actually... how about you go read the report you are using as the basis for your argument. I don't have to prove to you what's in it... do a search, I'm sure you can find it.