Why don't developers put PC/Mac and PS4/Xbox players in the same mageserver?

yanchen · January 2015

I wanna play my PC characters on PS4 in the future with my friends who only play on PC. If not, I probably won't buy the game on PS4.

yanchen · January 2015

Tell me what u think guys.

Csub · January 2015

Agreed, if it was cross-server and you could play with the same account with one sub if you bought the game itself separately and merged the two copies (like ff14), I would buy it for ps4. Not like this, though.

Edit:no idea why, call me paranoid but after what happened, I guess they already have some thing in head or in work that we won't like.

Razzak · January 2015

And introduce even more problems? They can't fix problems in PVP with the current population, how would they do it with thousands of new players?

yanchen · January 2015

Csub wrote: »

Agreed, if it was cross-server and you could play with the same account with one sub if you bought the game itself separately and merged the two copies (like ff14), I would buy it for ps4. Not like this, though.

Yeah! Like FF14! I believe the population is the most important thing for a online game. How many PC ESO players will buy and play a whole new character in a whole separated server on PS4?

Wizzo91 · January 2015

Why console release will fail:

Most players won't switch from PC to Console, because of Guilds, Communities, Friends etc.
You can't use addons on consoles, and have to use the terrible standart UI.
Most Console gamesr are casual and won't play competitively. They will play the story, do a bit of pvp and move on
In general, console players move on a lot quicker
They won't enjoy the lore, crafting and exploring. The console crowd is just not the typ for it.
Most people that were really interested in the game already bought it for pc
PC will problably soon have official controller support - so you can also play on your couch - and you won't lose all the advantages of the PC version
Console gamers are not used to Cashshops and subs, most will not use these options
The community in general is alot worse and younger(does not always mean worse, but sadly often is)

I honestly don't see one advantage for playing this on the console - only if you do not have a PC or can't afford a one that is good enough.

frosth.darkomenb16_ESO · January 2015

I'd love to have mixed servers too, but I doubt it will happen.

The only issue there is is that balance wise, consoles have sub-par inputs than keyboard + mouse. There are loads of competitive aspects in the game ,whether it is AvA or just trials leaderboards.
It is best to protect the console players and let them compete only with themselves.

yanchen · January 2015

Wizzo91 wrote: »

Why console release will fail:
Most players won't switch from PC to Console, because of Guilds, Communities, Friends etc.

You can't use addons on consoles, and have to use the terrible standart UI.

Most Console gamesr are casual and won't play competitively. They will play the story, do a bit of pvp and move on

In general, console players move on a lot quicker

They won't enjoy the lore, crafting and exploring. The console crowd is just not the typ for it.

Most people that were really interested in the game already bought it for pc

PC will problably soon have official controller support - so you can also play on your couch - and you won't lose all the advantages of the PC version

Console gamers are not used to Cashshops and subs, most will not use these options

The community in general is alot worse and younger(does not always mean worse, but sadly often is)

I honestly don't see one advantage for playing this on the console - only if you do not have a PC or can't afford a one that is good enough.

Actually most of my friends on PS4 they play Destiny. We also do dungeons and raids together in Destiny. I don't doubt if they will play competitively. However~ here is no reason that developers don't mix up mageservers for larger population.

fromtesonlineb16_ESO · January 2015

Ask Microsoft and Sony, they're the ones who won't let developers mix 'their' players with others, I don't think ZOS had a say in it.

Square Enix did it with FFXIV because M$ wanted to break into the Japanese market so SE were able to say "let us do it or we won't support the XBox" .. ZOS have nothing like that leverage here.

fromtesonlineb16_ESO · January 2015

frosth.darkomenb16_ESO wrote: »

The only issue there is is that balance wise, consoles have sub-par inputs than keyboard + mouse. There are loads of competitive aspects in the game ,whether it is AvA or just trials leaderboards.
It is best to protect the console players and let them compete only with themselves.

Games like FFXIV and others show just how wrong and bigoted you are .. also, ESO's entire UI design is FOR CONSOLES.

LOL.

yanchen · January 2015

frosth.darkomenb16_ESO wrote: »

I'd love to have mixed servers too, but I doubt it will happen.

The only issue there is is that balance wise, consoles have sub-par inputs than keyboard + mouse. There are loads of competitive aspects in the game ,whether it is AvA or just trials leaderboards.
It is best to protect the console players and let them compete only with themselves.

Hmm... honestly, I can play even better with control than keyboard and mouse. I think the only problem is, PC players have better UI.

Csub · January 2015

yanchen wrote: »

Wizzo91 wrote: »

Why console release will fail:
Most players won't switch from PC to Console, because of Guilds, Communities, Friends etc.

You can't use addons on consoles, and have to use the terrible standart UI.

Most Console gamesr are casual and won't play competitively. They will play the story, do a bit of pvp and move on

In general, console players move on a lot quicker

They won't enjoy the lore, crafting and exploring. The console crowd is just not the typ for it.

Most people that were really interested in the game already bought it for pc

PC will problably soon have official controller support - so you can also play on your couch - and you won't lose all the advantages of the PC version

Console gamers are not used to Cashshops and subs, most will not use these options

The community in general is alot worse and younger(does not always mean worse, but sadly often is)

I honestly don't see one advantage for playing this on the console - only if you do not have a PC or can't afford a one that is good enough.

Actually most of my friends on PS4 they play Destiny. We also do dungeons and raids together in Destiny. I don't doubt if they will play competitively. However~ here is no reason that developers don't mix up mageservers for larger population.

I also played that and play ff14 and raid, pvp and stuff as a healer with gamepad, no issues. It's a matter of preference.

yanchen · January 2015

fromtesonlineb16_ESO wrote: »

Ask Microsoft and Sony, they're the ones who won't let developers mix 'their' players with others, I don't think ZOS had a say in it.

Square Enix did it with FFXIV because M$ wanted to break into the Japanese market so SE were able to say "let us do it or we won't support the XBox" .. ZOS have nothing like that leverage here.

Good point, but I believe most ESO players will be disappointed again. >.<

Joejudas · January 2015

They can't make a cross platform megaserver because gaming pc's far out perform the consoles. It wouldn't be fair.

Father · January 2015

If you watched the latest ESO live... Matt said they are willing to copy your character to the console version.
so whatever progress you made you can carry it with you.

Wizzo91 · January 2015

yanchen wrote: »

Wizzo91 wrote: »

Why console release will fail:
Most players won't switch from PC to Console, because of Guilds, Communities, Friends etc.

You can't use addons on consoles, and have to use the terrible standart UI.

Most Console gamesr are casual and won't play competitively. They will play the story, do a bit of pvp and move on

In general, console players move on a lot quicker

They won't enjoy the lore, crafting and exploring. The console crowd is just not the typ for it.

Most people that were really interested in the game already bought it for pc

PC will problably soon have official controller support - so you can also play on your couch - and you won't lose all the advantages of the PC version

Console gamers are not used to Cashshops and subs, most will not use these options

The community in general is alot worse and younger(does not always mean worse, but sadly often is)

I honestly don't see one advantage for playing this on the console - only if you do not have a PC or can't afford a one that is good enough.

Actually most of my friends on PS4 they play Destiny. We also do dungeons and raids together in Destiny. I don't doubt if they will play competitively. However~ here is no reason that developers don't mix up mageservers for larger population.

Destiny can hardly be considered a real mmo..

yanchen · January 2015

Joejudas wrote: »

They can't make a cross platform megaserver because gaming pc's far out perform the consoles. It wouldn't be fair.

If you have played Final Fantasy XIV on both PC and PS4, you will say this won't be a problem.

Syntse · January 2015

The everlasting question. As stated already one reason is inputs kb/m vs controller, pc has advantage on this. Also pc people are able to type in chat but for console it's not that easy doable but mostly not fun. Then comes the advantages of addons on pc versus plain simple ui on console.

Now you have guild that runs raids and uses ts, well too bad console people cannot join your ts.

Finally the servers on console usually belong to the company so to sony or microsoft as they administer their networks and are responsible that it works. Now how to make all these agree to have same servers for their users.

yanchen · January 2015

Father wrote: »

If you watched the latest ESO live... Matt said they are willing to copy your character to the console version.
so whatever progress you made you can carry it with you.

However, If I transfer my character to PS4, I won't be able to play with my friends on PC anymore!

yanchen · January 2015

Wizzo91 wrote: »

yanchen wrote: »

Wizzo91 wrote: »

Why console release will fail:
Most players won't switch from PC to Console, because of Guilds, Communities, Friends etc.

You can't use addons on consoles, and have to use the terrible standart UI.

Most Console gamesr are casual and won't play competitively. They will play the story, do a bit of pvp and move on

In general, console players move on a lot quicker

They won't enjoy the lore, crafting and exploring. The console crowd is just not the typ for it.

Most people that were really interested in the game already bought it for pc

PC will problably soon have official controller support - so you can also play on your couch - and you won't lose all the advantages of the PC version

Console gamers are not used to Cashshops and subs, most will not use these options

The community in general is alot worse and younger(does not always mean worse, but sadly often is)

I honestly don't see one advantage for playing this on the console - only if you do not have a PC or can't afford a one that is good enough.

Actually most of my friends on PS4 they play Destiny. We also do dungeons and raids together in Destiny. I don't doubt if they will play competitively. However~ here is no reason that developers don't mix up mageservers for larger population.

Destiny can hardly be considered a real mmo..

Well, I admit, but I was just talking abt ppl on control platform play competitively or not. :P

SFBryan18 · January 2015

Simple answer is, PSN and XBL don't mix. They look at each other as competition. I think there is a similar feeling toward Steam which is why the console transfer cut off a few weeks before the game released on Steam.

I don't mind playing on separate servers. Each lobby only has a max of 256 players anyways. What is driving me crazy is that I have to choose one or the other. I currently have three characters that I am building towards the top. I enjoy the add ons that help me find skyshards, lorebooks, clear zones, and set prices in the guild store. I also love PS4 and voice chat.

I don't want to switch to PS4 and abandon my PC. I don't want to stay on PC and miss out on PS4. I want to play on both!!! No we obviously won't get to connect to the same servers, but why can't my account be tracked on multiple servers. When I log into PC, my account data is retrieved and when I log into PS4, the same. I see no reason why I can't play my characters on both platforms other than that they don't care.

This is a very big deal and the number one issue I am facing with this game right now. And @ZoS, I would happily subscribe for this!

Joejudas · January 2015

yanchen wrote: »

Joejudas wrote: »

They can't make a cross platform megaserver because gaming pc's far out perform the consoles. It wouldn't be fair.

If you have played Final Fantasy XIV on both PC and PS4, you will say this won't be a problem.

that's interesting I didn't know they did that

SFBryan18 · January 2015

Joejudas wrote: »

yanchen wrote: »

Joejudas wrote: »

They can't make a cross platform megaserver because gaming pc's far out perform the consoles. It wouldn't be fair.

If you have played Final Fantasy XIV on both PC and PS4, you will say this won't be a problem.

that's interesting I didn't know they did that

But notice they did not say XBox. That complicates things.

Joejudas · January 2015

SFBryan18 wrote: »

Joejudas wrote: »

yanchen wrote: »

Joejudas wrote: »

They can't make a cross platform megaserver because gaming pc's far out perform the consoles. It wouldn't be fair.

If you have played Final Fantasy XIV on both PC and PS4, you will say this won't be a problem.

that's interesting I didn't know they did that

But notice they did not say XBox. That complicates things.

Yeah Microsoft is a big bully for sure

yanchen · January 2015

SFBryan18 wrote: »

Simple answer is, PSN and XBL don't mix. They look at each other as competition. I think there is a similar feeling toward Steam which is why the console transfer cut off a few weeks before the game released on Steam.

I don't mind playing on separate servers. Each lobby only has a max of 256 players anyways. What is driving me crazy is that I have to choose one or the other. I currently have three characters that I am building towards the top. I enjoy the add ons that help me find skyshards, lorebooks, clear zones, and set prices in the guild store. I also love PS4 and voice chat.

I don't want to switch to PS4 and abandon my PC. I don't want to stay on PC and miss out on PS4. I want to play on both!!! No we obviously won't get to connect to the same servers, but why can't my account be tracked on multiple servers. When I log into PC, my account data is retrieved and when I log into PS4, the same. I see no reason why I can't play my characters on both platforms other than that they don't care.

This is a very big deal and the number one issue I am facing with this game right now. And @ZoS, I would happily subscribe for this!

Amazing! I love PS4 party chat too. Honestly, I don't think log in and switch server between PS4 and PC is possible. This issue is seriously annoy me now. I love to play on PS4, sitting in my couch, getting totally relaxed. Sigh....Anyway, I think I will just stay on PC with my friends in ESO. At least we have Skype.( Much better than North Korea. Lol)

yanchen · January 2015

SFBryan18 wrote: »

Joejudas wrote: »

yanchen wrote: »

Joejudas wrote: »

They can't make a cross platform megaserver because gaming pc's far out perform the consoles. It wouldn't be fair.

If you have played Final Fantasy XIV on both PC and PS4, you will say this won't be a problem.

that's interesting I didn't know they did that

But notice they did not say XBox. That complicates things.

Hmm, I actually find some commercial stuffs between Microsoft and ESO. I noticed that the recommended game for Microsoft surface pro 3 is ESO! Amazing isn't it? ( You can search "Surface pro 3 for gaming" then you will see.) I don't know If this can prove Microsoft and ZOS are "friends"

SFBryan18 · January 2015

yanchen wrote: »

SFBryan18 wrote: »

Joejudas wrote: »

yanchen wrote: »

Joejudas wrote: »

They can't make a cross platform megaserver because gaming pc's far out perform the consoles. It wouldn't be fair.

If you have played Final Fantasy XIV on both PC and PS4, you will say this won't be a problem.

that's interesting I didn't know they did that

But notice they did not say XBox. That complicates things.

Hmm, I actually find some commercial stuffs between Microsoft and ESO. I noticed that the recommended game for Microsoft surface pro 3 is ESO! Amazing isn't it? ( You can search "Surface pro 3 for gaming" then you will see.) I don't know If this can prove Microsoft and ZOS are "friends"

I meant that Final Fantasy was not on both consoles. What complicates things is when anyone suggests that XBL has any interaction with PSN, even if it was through PC.

NotSo · January 2015

Im pretty sure there are more console game cash shops nowadays than pc game cash shops. So that should't be an issue. ZOS doesn't need to rely on pc players to switch to console to get it rolling either, there are plenty of console players who want this game and don't have a pc capable of running it.

DanielMaxwell · January 2015

part of the reason is the competition between Sony and Microsoft , another part is the UI for PC is modifiable while the console versions UI will not be modifiable , there is also the fact the rate at witch patches and new content are released would be out of the hands of ZOS (or any other game developer) , meaning that patches and new content would be released based on which console was last to certify the code .

Csub · January 2015

Syntse wrote: »

The everlasting question. As stated already one reason is inputs kb/m vs controller, pc has advantage on this. Also pc people are able to type in chat but for console it's not that easy doable but mostly not fun. Then comes the advantages of addons on pc versus plain simple ui on console.

Now you have guild that runs raids and uses ts, well too bad console people cannot join your ts.

Finally the servers on console usually belong to the company so to sony or microsoft as they administer their networks and are responsible that it works. Now how to make all these agree to have same servers for their users.

I just plug in my keyboard in my ps4 and problem of chatting is solved. Yes, it does have usb slots. :P

Moonscythe · January 2015

Ignoring everything else @yanchen said I do have to take issue with this.

"They won't enjoy the lore, crafting and exploring. The console crowd is just not the typ for it."

Those of us who spent untold hundreds of hours in Daggerfall, Morrowind, Cyrodil and Skyrim reading, crafting and exploring a world unspoiled by add-ons and mods will continue to do so. Do not confuse the Elder Scrolls faithful with short-attention-span hormone-addled teenagers. We may not figure into your world but we are still here and will be there.

As for cross-platform, it would be nice but I strongly suspect that the issues are with Sony and Microsoft. Yes, A Realm Reborn is able to be played cross-platform but it is still Sony exclusive.