Same thing that happened to TSW is happening on NA Servers

Roechacca · January 2015

Soon as the Secret World went B2P the 3 party faction pvp devolved . The Dragon faction which was lowest left first followed later by Knights Templar . The game went 11 Months with Illuminati controlling all servers . By the looks of all the maps on campaigns NA , it seems to be starting here now . PvP was pretty much abondoned by Funcom after do to the lack of interest in it . I sincerely hope ESO PvP doesn't suffer the same fate . Many have left just from the pay change and some are saying their done with pvp till new people arrive . Faction balance was never fixed in TSW . Will this be the case here ? Probably till March at the earliest .

Tripwyr · January 2015

Specific groups on red have made it their sole goal in this game to push the other factions to quit.

Roechacca · January 2015

Tripwyr wrote: »

Specific groups on red have made it their sole goal in this game to push the other factions to quit.

Cool what ever .

Jaxsun · January 2015

Tripwyr wrote: »

Specific groups on red have made it their sole goal in this game to push the other factions to quit.

That makes no sense.

WraithAzraiel · January 2015

These groups should be beaten. With fish.

Zed · January 2015

WraithAzraiel wrote: »

These groups should be beaten. With fish.

Kybotica · January 2015

Tripwyr wrote: »

Specific groups on red have made it their sole goal in this game to push the other factions to quit.

If by "push the other factions to quit", you meant "stop this ridiculous trend of buff servers by forcing actual combat," then yes this is what is happening. I fail to see how ruining buff campaigns, which are traditionally dead servers, by bringing in actual combat again constitutes pushing others to quit.

If the only reason you play in PvP is so that you can overwhelm a single server with numbers to keep buffs for PvE activities, YOU are the problem with PvP.

Tripwyr · January 2015

Kybotica wrote: »

Tripwyr wrote: »

Specific groups on red have made it their sole goal in this game to push the other factions to quit.

If by "push the other factions to quit", you meant "stop this ridiculous trend of buff servers by forcing actual combat," then yes this is what is happening. I fail to see how ruining buff campaigns, which are traditionally dead servers, by bringing in actual combat again constitutes pushing others to quit.

If the only reason you play in PvP is so that you can overwhelm a single server with numbers to keep buffs for PvE activities, YOU are the problem with PvP.

No, not at all what I mean. I do not care about buff server drama, and frankly neither does most of the community.

TheBull · January 2015

It's the night cap man. Until they put forth the time and development to fix it, Cyrodiil will remain meaningless.

DC grinded out 2 weeks of perfect communication with scouts everywhere. We knew if a person left bloodmayne and what type of horse he was on. This culminated in on two separate occasions holding the map in a complete stand still for 6 hours, no keeps changing, to grab the lead. Then to have it all erased by a 5am cap. Makes people say what for? Who cares?

If the person can't answer those question, they put the game down. That's were we are now.

Kybotica · January 2015

TheBull wrote: »

It's the night cap man. Until they put forth the time and development to fix it, Cyrodiil will remain meaningless.

DC grinded out 2 weeks of perfect communication with scouts everywhere. We knew if a person left bloodmayne and what type of horse he was on. This culminated in on two separate occasions holding the map in a complete stand still for 6 hours, no keeps changing, to grab the lead. Then to have it all erased by a 5am cap. Makes people say what for? Who cares?

If the person can't answer those question, they put the game down. That's were we are now.

Ah the night capping again. Does it even occur to you that there is a significant group of player who either work night shifts and thus play on their days off (surprise!) during the night, or are oceanic players whose afternoon falls squarely during the nighttime for any NA player who has a standard work or school schedule?

It is just as frustrating for those of us who can only play at night to see a map turn the other color when we are all sleeping. Most of us love when enemy groups arrive, and we actively seek servers where we think we will have some resistance.

Buff servers combined with the teleport to player guesting problems mean that for any group that isn't massive it is nearly impossible to turn a buff server without doing so in off hours. If players were absolutely restricted to their guest and home campaigns only, it might alleviate this issue.

Chillrend (NA) is a great example. If either AD or EP wants anything to stand a chance of happening, it must be done at night. As soon as 10 am or so rolls through EST, the DC PvE players rush in to recap their buff server, and their numbers are always far superior than what either of the two other factions can muster.

Buff servers, regardless of what you might think, are a significant part of the problem. Night capping is natural, as many people have different schedules. I'd much rather be able to play consistently during the day, but I cannot. That doesn't mean I shouldn't be allowed to play PvP. Not everything revolves around your schedule.

Grim13 · January 2015

TheBull wrote: »

It's the night cap man. Until they put forth the time and development to fix it, Cyrodiil will remain meaningless.

DC grinded out 2 weeks of perfect communication with scouts everywhere. We knew if a person left bloodmayne and what type of horse he was on. This culminated in on two separate occasions holding the map in a complete stand still for 6 hours, no keeps changing, to grab the lead. Then to have it all erased by a 5am cap. Makes people say what for? Who cares?

If the person can't answer those question, they put the game down. That's were we are now.

Zos need to either man up and build an Asia / Oceanic server... or they need to create campaigns with open and closing times.

Example: Make Thorn the 10 am to 2 am Eastern server. Have it so it closes during non-peak NA hours.

Make Azura's so that it's open times are optimal for the Oceanic area... closed for us.

Idk, maybe that'd help. Whatever it is, Zos need to do something sooner than later. But, then again, I get the distinct feeling they don't care about PvP.

As it stands, night-capping is straining my urge to play PvP.

Roechacca · January 2015

Regardless of reasons why , you can be sure sitting behind completely taken maps is boring . 100 people waiting for a player show up to roll isn't challenging and it's easier for a new B2P company to just leave pvp to its own fate rather then spend time and money dealing with the smallest population that quickly becomes the most annoying . Attempts to destroy things might just destroy PVP all together . It's happened before ...

Kybotica · January 2015

Grim13 wrote: »

TheBull wrote: »

It's the night cap man. Until they put forth the time and development to fix it, Cyrodiil will remain meaningless.

DC grinded out 2 weeks of perfect communication with scouts everywhere. We knew if a person left bloodmayne and what type of horse he was on. This culminated in on two separate occasions holding the map in a complete stand still for 6 hours, no keeps changing, to grab the lead. Then to have it all erased by a 5am cap. Makes people say what for? Who cares?

If the person can't answer those question, they put the game down. That's were we are now.

Zos need to either man up and build an Asia / Oceanic server... or they need to create campaigns with open and closing times.

Example: Make Thorn the 10 am to 2 am Eastern server. Have it so it closes during non-peak NA hours.

Make Azura's so that it's open times are optimal for the Oceanic area... closed for us.

Idk, maybe that'd help. Whatever it is, Zos need to do something sooner than later. But, then again, I get the distinct feeling they don't care about PvP.

As it stands, night-capping is straining my urge to play PvP.

This would absolutely crush the population in both servers you've mentioned. You're effectively removing half the competition for both and fragmenting the player base. While your proposal is far more fair than anything I've ever seen mentioned to "fix this problem", I think it might do more harm than good. If they ever did both, and restricted oceanic players to a campaign or mega server, somebody like me who lives in NA but most often plays during peak Oceanic hours would eventually suffer when their schedule changes for any reason. It'd come down to "play in your home mega server or play with your guild mates."

Kybotica · January 2015

Also feel the need to add that I still don't get the fuss over night capping. People capturing during the day has the same effect on any night shift players and oceanic players, but you don't see us making topics whining about how our efforts are in vain whenever the map flips while we sleep. We deal with it, and attempt to compensate for the lost points whenever possible. It is part of the game, to be honest. Part of what makes cyrodiil so interesting is the fact that you inevitably lose ground when you've got to take a break for any reason.

The continuous push and pull is integral to the experience. If everything stopped I think it'd ruin the feel of this game's PvP.

KBKB · January 2015

EP killing the game, rolling around with a 4x number advantage and calling it skill / blowing their own trumpets. Funny how none of them see anything wrong with killing the last active camp... Last few times I logged on got the vibe 50% of dc either have given up or just don't care anymore. So grats EP got your wish red map with nothing to do on it.

LonePirate · January 2015

KBKB wrote: »

EP killing the game, rolling around with a 4x number advantage and calling it skill / blowing their own trumpets. Funny how none of them see anything wrong with killing the last active camp... Last few times I logged on got the vibe 50% of dc either have given up or just don't care anymore. So grats EP got your wish red map with nothing to do on it.

I can't speak for all of EP but I was in the group that took Rayles in the middle of the evening and Ash a little while later. Both times we defended the keeps (and battled outside them) against much larger numbers of DC and AD, respectively. DC held Glademist all night so we never had any close transit or reinforcements when we held Rayles. Aleswell fell to DC shortly after we conquered Ash, isolating us again.

Yes, we were involved in a couple of battles at Aleswell where EP outnumbered our foes; but most of my night was spent in a group that was greatly outnumbered. I can only imagine how disappointed DC and AD were with the offensive AP gains when they finally captured Rayles and Ash from us due to my group's much smaller numbers.

We had a good time and I hope those of you we battled in AD and DC enjoyed your eventual victories against us.

NadiusMaximus · January 2015

Gees guys, let us know when it's OK to play the game we bought.
List specific times and dates, so I can shift my schedule around.
Funny how just playing when you can is now an exploit.
Say hi to your Mother for me.

PF1901 · January 2015

Grim13 wrote: »

TheBull wrote: »

It's the night cap man. Until they put forth the time and development to fix it, Cyrodiil will remain meaningless.

DC grinded out 2 weeks of perfect communication with scouts everywhere. We knew if a person left bloodmayne and what type of horse he was on. This culminated in on two separate occasions holding the map in a complete stand still for 6 hours, no keeps changing, to grab the lead. Then to have it all erased by a 5am cap. Makes people say what for? Who cares?

If the person can't answer those question, they put the game down. That's were we are now.

Zos need to either man up and build an Asia / Oceanic server... or they need to create campaigns with open and closing times.

Example: Make Thorn the 10 am to 2 am Eastern server. Have it so it closes during non-peak NA hours.

Make Azura's so that it's open times are optimal for the Oceanic area... closed for us.

Idk, maybe that'd help. Whatever it is, Zos need to do something sooner than later. But, then again, I get the distinct feeling they don't care about PvP.

As it stands, night-capping is straining my urge to play PvP.

They need to close it during tea time as well.

RinaldoGandolphi · January 2015

NadiusMaximus wrote: »

Gees guys, let us know when it's OK to play the game we bought.
List specific times and dates, so I can shift my schedule around.
Funny how just playing when you can is now an exploit.
Say hi to your Mother for me.

You like the pvdoor action, yes?

FYI I don't think time scheduling is a good idea at all, but I do think pvdoor is lame. It is what it is though, if no one is on to defend, what can ya do? It happens to all the factions. This doesn't mean I have to like pvdoor garbage.

Kybotica · January 2015

woodsro wrote: »

NadiusMaximus wrote: »

Gees guys, let us know when it's OK to play the game we bought.
List specific times and dates, so I can shift my schedule around.
Funny how just playing when you can is now an exploit.
Say hi to your Mother for me.

You like the pvdoor action, yes?

Yes, please keep acting like we are actively avoiding fighting players through our chosen playing times. I would absolutely LOVE to run into full groups, equally matched, every time I can play. It usually ends up either empty or an overwhelmingly large force rushes in and stomps any small force. I loved the battles we had on Chillrend yesterday morning with the AD, and I wish that would be the norm. At least people who actively choose to run on thorn blade can have three factions pop locked every day for days on end.

Lava_Croft · January 2015

Play Skyrim if you cannot deal with nightcapping.

Grim13 · January 2015

Kybotica wrote: »

Play Skyrim if you cannot deal with nightcapping.

Here's a better suggestion: why doesn't ZOS figure out a way to balance the campaigns over the greatest number of hours possible.

Right now, winning a campaign by night-capping renders the victory meaningless.

..but feel free to leave your head up your ass. You seem to enjoy it.

NadiusMaximus · January 2015

One war = One campaign

Give us the liberty of a separate pvp server so we can have an actual war and end this crap of calling each other night campers or day walkers, get rid of the complete waste of space called a buff campaign.

Cry Havoc' and Let slip the dogs of war, allow us the armies of hundreds promised on the box, in commercials, and on your own site. Let there be one great War where we all fight in against all enemies for the mighty crown of Tamriel.

It is in vain, ZOS , to extenuate the matter. Gentalman may cry, buff campaign , buff campaign --but there is no buff campaign. The war is actually begun! The next gale that sweeps from the Red northeast will bring to your ears the clash of resounding arms! Our brethren are already in the field! Why stand we here idle in our buff campaign ? What is it that gentlemen wish? What would they have? Is your Emperor so dear, or buff so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of one laggy server and low population? Forbid it, Almighty Talos! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!

Oh, can't, there's a deer, never mind.

Angavar · January 2015

OK, firstly, many of us AD players hated it when our faction was the one night capping. It really demoralises the opposing factions to login and see they own 0 keeps or scrolls, with the leading faction having a 10k plus point lead.

Believe it or not, some of us enjoy a level playing field, with even opposition. For people like myself in Australia, this seems to only occur on weekends, when we are finally able to play during US prime time.

It seems to me that either EP's thornblade oceanic pop is much higher than either of the other factions, or they have guilds of US players who, for whatever reason, constantly play into early morning their time.

Considering this has been happening since launch, with the only difference being the faction that has the numbers, its quite disappointing ZOS has made no mention of a solution, even temporary.

There are many ways to balance this, if they were to give it some thought. Dynamic pop locks based on time, or scaling keep health/guards/player HP are just a few.

Alternatively, faction transfers for oceanic players to even out the numbers.

The fact is, whether you like it or not, night capping is killing AvA, and has been for a while. It discourages new oceanic players, forces veterans to quit or reroll to the strongest faction, and severely demoralises those who remain, to the point where they won't fight because the leading faction is too far ahead to possibly recover.

All of this only adds to the problem, until there won't BE a competition any more. It will just be one faction steamrolling the others, day in day out.

If you can't see that this is a problem, then you are likely part of it. For an idea of how it feels, try getting a small group and playing on another factions buff campaign for a week, with the goal of winning the campaign.

Bottom line is, something needs to be done, or it will only get worse with time.

badmojo · January 2015

Kybotica wrote: »

TheBull wrote: »

It's the night cap man. Until they put forth the time and development to fix it, Cyrodiil will remain meaningless.

DC grinded out 2 weeks of perfect communication with scouts everywhere. We knew if a person left bloodmayne and what type of horse he was on. This culminated in on two separate occasions holding the map in a complete stand still for 6 hours, no keeps changing, to grab the lead. Then to have it all erased by a 5am cap. Makes people say what for? Who cares?

If the person can't answer those question, they put the game down. That's were we are now.

Ah the night capping again. Does it even occur to you that there is a significant group of player who either work night shifts and thus play on their days off (surprise!) during the night, or are oceanic players whose afternoon falls squarely during the nighttime for any NA player who has a standard work or school schedule?

It is just as frustrating for those of us who can only play at night to see a map turn the other color when we are all sleeping. Most of us love when enemy groups arrive, and we actively seek servers where we think we will have some resistance.

Buff servers combined with the teleport to player guesting problems mean that for any group that isn't massive it is nearly impossible to turn a buff server without doing so in off hours. If players were absolutely restricted to their guest and home campaigns only, it might alleviate this issue.

Chillrend (NA) is a great example. If either AD or EP wants anything to stand a chance of happening, it must be done at night. As soon as 10 am or so rolls through EST, the DC PvE players rush in to recap their buff server, and their numbers are always far superior than what either of the two other factions can muster.

Buff servers, regardless of what you might think, are a significant part of the problem. Night capping is natural, as many people have different schedules. I'd much rather be able to play consistently during the day, but I cannot. That doesn't mean I shouldn't be allowed to play PvP. Not everything revolves around your schedule.

You know what's really frustrating? Playing every day at early morning hours, for month after month, then seeing a trend start where 10x the normal population will randomly show up on a night when we have fewer numbers than usual.

I like how you start your post saying some players can only play at night, then start talking about how AD/EP can only night cap to make anything happen. Which is it? Are you just honest players who happen to severely outnumber your enemies on random nights? Or are you desperate gamers using desperate tactics, which suck the fun out of this thing we all pay money for.

I don't think anybody who was a DC regular in chillrend really cared about the buffs. We all wanted action, we welcomed it. We just get sick and tired of enemies who put all their efforts into avoiding us. That's not honorable virtual warfare, it's a joke.

Jaxsun · January 2015

Grim13 wrote: »

Kybotica wrote: »

Play Skyrim if you cannot deal with nightcapping.

Here's a better suggestion: why doesn't ZOS figure out a way to balance the campaigns over the greatest number of hours possible.

Right now, winning a campaign by night-capping renders the victory meaningless..

..but feel free to be smart and reasonable . You seem to enjoy it.

fixed it

Grim, Grim Grim...Just because you don't like night-capping doesn't mean it's a problem. It's part of the game. You should just be logged on all the time to defend everything so it can't get taken...all of this is meaningless, it's a game. You are no better of a person for being part of the "winning" team than if you're part of the losing team. Video game accomplishments mean nothing, cure cancer and then we can talk...and yes go play Skyrim

RedTalon · January 2015

One of these threads again, but ok people both sides are right is the sad truth.

But calling it now, blue will be the first to vanish if things end up going like the secret world did.

Roechacca · January 2015

Just bookmark the thread an look back in February and lets see how much PVP changes before March . Hopefully I'm wrong .

Lava_Croft · January 2015

Grim13 wrote: »

Kybotica wrote: »

Play Skyrim if you cannot deal with nightcapping.

Here's a better suggestion: why doesn't ZOS figure out a way to balance the campaigns over the greatest number of hours possible.

Right now, winning a campaign by night-capping renders the victory meaningless.

..but feel free to leave your head up your ass. You seem to enjoy it.

Or you figure out a way to deal with the fact that the game does not stop when you do. Nightcapping can be quite annoying when you are constantly on the receiving end of it, but it's also one of the things that comes from having a persistent online sandbox-ish PvP world.

Roechacca · January 2015

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Grim13 wrote: »

Kybotica wrote: »

Play Skyrim if you cannot deal with nightcapping.

Here's a better suggestion: why doesn't ZOS figure out a way to balance the campaigns over the greatest number of hours possible.

Right now, winning a campaign by night-capping renders the victory meaningless.

..but feel free to leave your head up your ass. You seem to enjoy it.

Or you figure out a way to deal with the fact that the game does not stop when you do. Nightcapping can be quite annoying when you are constantly on the receiving end of it, but it's also one of the things that comes from having a persistent online sandbox-ish PvP world.

Hardly anyone cares anymore Tombraider . Drop it . Night cap till you own every thing .

Asgari · January 2015

Enable a scrolling lock system. When a faction has X amount over the lowest pop they get locked and can't get new players until the lowest faction gets an increase.