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Actually, I think this new payment system will be okay . . . *unless
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I humbly submit to the forum that this new payment system may be a win/win for current, former, and future subscribers. There is a caveat which I will explore at the end of this segment regarding possible pitfalls. I hope ZOS will chime in and elaborate on some of the features of the new system that I will discuss
DLC: So in the FAQ on the ESO website about the ESO membership plus, it states that crowns will be used to purchase, content, customization, services, and in game pet/mounts. Honestly, this is great for subscribers because they will be able to get some of those customization pieces that we have been yearning for like guar mounts, different costume and armor/weapon looks and access to all the DLC game packs that come out. So as a subscriber (which all of us who have been playing the game up to this point are) you will still get access to all the content of the game and on top of that you will have extra crowns to obtain extra flare items/mounts/customization from the crown store. Therefore those of us who continue their subscription will gain a lot and have more immersion than before with only the subscription based model.
Also, think about this theory, if you are comparing ESO to the WoW system it is essentially the same (only better). It allows new players to try out the basic game free (so in essence it is almost like a trial) and then if you subscribe you get the advantage of being able to take advantage of the crown store services and DLC, customization etc. In WoW you pay for the subscription and you STILL have to pay extra on top of that for store items and services.
Caveat: most of this subscription awesomeness depends on the prices of the items in the Crown store. If it's like 5000 crowns for a guar mount well that won't get you very much bang for your buck. But it I am correct and players are able to load up on goodies (that are not pay to win items like near invincible armor, or legendary weapons) it will greatly increase the variety and interesting facets of the game.
Discuss . . .
DLC: So in the FAQ on the ESO website about the ESO membership plus, it states that crowns will be used to purchase, content, customization, services, and in game pet/mounts. Honestly, this is great for subscribers because they will be able to get some of those customization pieces that we have been yearning for like guar mounts, different costume and armor/weapon looks and access to all the DLC game packs that come out. So as a subscriber (which all of us who have been playing the game up to this point are) you will still get access to all the content of the game and on top of that you will have extra crowns to obtain extra flare items/mounts/customization from the crown store. Therefore those of us who continue their subscription will gain a lot and have more immersion than before with only the subscription based model.
Also, think about this theory, if you are comparing ESO to the WoW system it is essentially the same (only better). It allows new players to try out the basic game free (so in essence it is almost like a trial) and then if you subscribe you get the advantage of being able to take advantage of the crown store services and DLC, customization etc. In WoW you pay for the subscription and you STILL have to pay extra on top of that for store items and services.
Caveat: most of this subscription awesomeness depends on the prices of the items in the Crown store. If it's like 5000 crowns for a guar mount well that won't get you very much bang for your buck. But it I am correct and players are able to load up on goodies (that are not pay to win items like near invincible armor, or legendary weapons) it will greatly increase the variety and interesting facets of the game.
Discuss . . .
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Wizzo91✭✭✭✭✭I humbly submit to the forum that this new payment system may be a win/win for current, former, and future subscribers. There is a caveat which I will explore at the end of this segment regarding possible pitfalls. I hope ZOS will chime in and elaborate on some of the features of the new system that I will discuss
DLC: So in the FAQ on the ESO website about the ESO membership plus, it states that crowns will be used to purchase, content, customization, services, and in game pet/mounts. Honestly, this is great for subscribers because they will be able to get some of those customization pieces that we have been yearning for like guar mounts, different costume and armor/weapon looks and access to all the DLC game packs that come out. So as a subscriber (which all of us who have been playing the game up to this point are) you will still get access to all the content of the game and on top of that you will have extra crowns to obtain extra flare items/mounts/customization from the crown store. Therefore those of us who continue their subscription will gain a lot and have more immersion than before with only the subscription based model.
Also, think about this theory, if you are comparing ESO to the WoW system it is essentially the same (only better). It allows new players to try out the basic game free (so in essence it is almost like a trial) and then if you subscribe you get the advantage of being able to take advantage of the crown store services and DLC, customization etc. In WoW you pay for the subscription and you STILL have to pay extra on top of that for store items and services.
Caveat: most of this subscription awesomeness depends on the prices of the items in the Crown store. If it's like 5000 crowns for a guar mount well that won't get you very much bang for your buck. But it I am correct and players are able to load up on goodies (that are not pay to win items like near invincible armor, or legendary weapons) it will greatly increase the variety and interesting facets of the game.
Discuss . . .
I'll repeat it for you again. The new systems seems to be O.K. at the start but most likely won't be profitable in the future. If not enough sales are generated from new box sales and the current planned cashshop they will add more and more items to it. It will become more p2w step by step in the future.
Also a good amount of the development team and designers will only be focused on cashshop options in the future. -> less good content.
You should also keep in mind that a b2p transition is bad press - maybe the console release will be a disaster and p2w will come even earlier.
Another point is, that many will drop their subscriptions so they MAY end up with less income than before. There are way too many unknown variables in this.
Edited by Wizzo91 on January 22, 2015 10:07AM[EU]
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ESOLover✭I am excited for the changes.... would only be better if they implemented a housing system of some sort... but that will likely happen in the future. I, for one, am proud to be part of these changes and will one day be part of the group that has been here since (almost) the beginning... am super bummed i didn't start playing in March tho... would love to have the "super" mount you beta ppl will be getting.... eh, my new puppy or panther pet will keep me happy while you betas are riding around on those mounts! :P0 -
Wizzo91✭✭✭✭✭I am excited for the changes.... would only be better if they implemented a housing system of some sort... but that will likely happen in the future. I, for one, am proud to be part of these changes and will one day be part of the group that has been here since (almost) the beginning... am super bummed i didn't start playing in March tho... would love to have the "super" mount you beta ppl will be getting.... eh, my new puppy or panther pet will keep me happy while you betas are riding around on those mounts! :P
Perfect example of a F2P / B2P / P2W player.[EU]
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ESOLover✭Ha!
Definition of "P2W" would be someone who would purchase OP items to make their game better then someone else.... I on the other hand, give not two @#$Ts about that.... I do care about going somewhere where I visually enjoy what I am playing.
"F2P".. considering I maintain two accounts with year long subs...
and will continue to do so... I doubt I am a "F2P" player.... say what you want, hate if you want... I worked over 30 years to reach my success.
"B2P"... um, okay.... we've all maintained subs so essentially we've all been "B2P."
Again, I am one of many who are excited about the changes... way too much hate going on for a "game."
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Rologue✭✭✭Pay to win is already coded in with the seasonal gear. Remember that uproar that resparked the F2p debate after the interview via twitch, in which you could buy it from the "online shop" then later semi denied it with, "We meant ingame shop." people bought it, but they didn't outright lie in this instance, they deceived. As stated, you can spend crowns INGAME. Thats right it is most likely comming.
I was a defender against the F2P threads and was tired of reading them so much, I kept out of the general forum. I was shocked. Maybe they will keep it from pay to win, but now my expectations are low.
I can however, live with what is now introduced. I will continue the ride until it crashes into the brick paywall.Guildmaster of Decimation Elite
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BlueIllyrian✭✭✭Ha!
Definition of "P2W" would be someone who would purchase OP items to make their game better then someone else.... I on the other hand, give not two @#$Ts about that.... I do care about going somewhere where I visually enjoy what I am playing.
"F2P".. considering I maintain two accounts with year long subs... and will continue to do so... I doubt I am a "F2P" player.... say what you want, hate if you want... I worked over 30 years to reach my success.
"B2P"... um, okay.... we've all maintained subs so essentially we've all been "B2P."
Again, I am one of many who are excited about the changes... way too much hate going on for a "game."
Over to you....
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