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@Morthur i think most people just want to make something beatifull. And then see stuff is not going as they hoped. But they still have to make a living. It is not that black and white. When is the point you quit your job? You still play the game. Some why blame the dev for still doing there work. It is not like they are making weapons of mass destrution ;-)

@Morthur i get your point. But i do not blame the devs for the decision for changing to F2P. You can blame them maybe for other stuff like making it possible. But not for making a decision for changing to f2p that is not their job, is it.

But like i said. They need you and me more then we do need them. I have more to do then play this game. I am not a diahard MMORPG. I think i put my money in GTA5 in march or something.

Morthur wrote: »

I reactivated my account 2 or 3 weeks ago to take a look at the game after being unsubbed since the end of my free 30 days.
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Wait so you unsubbed after your 'free' 30 days?

And now you are mad that they commited a 'crime against gaming'?

You are living proof of why the subscription model is obviously not sustainable. If you took your head out of your own ass for one moment, you will see that a business has to make money to survive. The production quality for a game like ESO is massive, if you took the time to see the size and scope of what they are working towards you might see that. It has to pay for itself somehow, do you think ZOS and Bethesda are a charity set up to continue to run this game for your own benefit?

When people like you refuse to stay subbed, and the whole game is built around that, then they make no money. Under a subscription model there is ONE form of revenue after the initial sale- and that is the sub $$$. The cold hard facts are that they need to make money, and it is clear luring players in under a F2P/B2P model is where they need to take it. There are now going to be more streams of revenue open, and it is easier to keep players playing because after the initial purchase they can enter the world (with their friends) for free. If this doesn't work, then expect there to be no game.

The point is that there are too many players that won't pay for a subscription, and having subs limits the game to solely one source of revenue. Only WOW has pulled it off, and Eve. A subscription model is clearly not sustainable for this game, and ZOS/Bethesda have to make a decision that involves making sure they break even and begin to make a profit as soon as they can. That is just business, you can't fault them for that.

If you find the game an abomination then move on, the game has clearly added no value to your life, and vice-versa.

That aside, there is no 'crime against gaming'. It is a business needing to move to a sustainable model that will allow them to eventually make money from their investment in the huge operation that is ESO.

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It's uncritical people like you that are willing to lap up any amount of crap that companies like ZOS throw your way that caused the decline in quality of MMOs of the past 10 years. If people like you were not willing to pay for games like this then companies like ZOS would also not manufacture them. Instead they might have tried to make a good game that caters to 50'000 fans instead of a mass-marketable piece of crap like we got now (which then still ends up failing because thankfully not everyone is quite as uncritical as you).

Having heaps of TES-fanboi-apolotists running around definitely is a bad thing if you want to try and force MMO companies to either create good games or simply not create them at all.

And yes, of course I'll be moving on. Like the other 95% of the people that tried this game, saw it was crap and decided that it's not even worth $15 a month. So I wish you much fun with all the wonderful players that will be attracted to the game once it's free... I'm sure they'll all be hardcore fans and really loyal customers and not total idiots like most communities in F2P games.

It's not about being uncritical. It's about playing a game that I enjoy. If I didn't I would have cancelled my sub, and I also wouldn't have been hanging around the forums wasting my time spreading my misery.

I would have preferred a sub to remain, but the fact is they need to make changes so I'll wait it out and see how it goes.

Your comment about making a 'good' games that caters to 50k fans is laughable. Stop and take stock, have a real look at what has gone into this game from a production standpoint and from a resourcing standpoint. You really think Bethesda is going to invest this much money and watch it go to ***?

You also come across as very judgmental of a 'F2P' community, being full of 'idiots'. Do you always make broad sweeping generalizations about groups of people that you come across in life? Way to go.

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