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ESO+ 10% XP gain does not equal "pay to win"
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Xsorus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Valen_Byte wrote: »KhajiitiLizard wrote: »Think about it. This would not have much effect on PVP at all. All it really does is get you through PVE zones faster.
More experience grants more champion points which improve your stats, and those better stats give you an advantage in PVP.
^^^ nailed it
Simply playing more nets that advantage.
None of you truly have a clue what Pay to Win actually means.
Pay to Win means that no matter what I do in game...someone who spent money always has the advantage. If i can play slightly more then you and achieve the same thing that's not Pay to Win.
If i can buy a set of Armor on the Cash shop that's not available any other place, and makes me a complete bad ass with higher stats..That's bloody pay to win.
You guys need to learn MMO terminology.Edited by Xsorus on January 22, 2015 2:35AMhttps://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXpX7JMwRXtczc5GTrIYRIw
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✭✭✭✭xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »Valen_Byte wrote: »KhajiitiLizard wrote: »Think about it. This would not have much effect on PVP at all. All it really does is get you through PVE zones faster.
More experience grants more champion points which improve your stats, and those better stats give you an advantage in PVP.
^^^ nailed it
Simply playing more nets that advantage.
None of you truly have a clue what Pay to Win actually means.
Pay to Win means that no matter what I do in game...someone who spent money always has the advantage. If i can play slightly more then you and achieve the same thing that's not Pay to Win.
If i can buy a set of Armor on the Cash shop that's not available any other place, and makes me a complete bad ass with higher stats..That's bloody pay to win.
You guys need to learn MMO terminology.
And what if you play as much human body permits, with as much skill & efficiency as possible, but someone does the same and has spent some more $$$ than you?
I fail to see your logic.4 -
Amsel_McKay✭✭✭✭✭xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »Valen_Byte wrote: »KhajiitiLizard wrote: »Think about it. This would not have much effect on PVP at all. All it really does is get you through PVE zones faster.
More experience grants more champion points which improve your stats, and those better stats give you an advantage in PVP.
^^^ nailed it
Simply playing more nets that advantage.
None of you truly have a clue what Pay to Win actually means.
Pay to Win means that no matter what I do in game...someone who spent money always has the advantage. If i can play slightly more then you and achieve the same thing that's not Pay to Win.
If i can buy a set of Armor on the Cash shop that's not available any other place, and makes me a complete bad ass with higher stats..That's bloody pay to win.
You guys need to learn MMO terminology.
They have a 10% exp gain advantage ALWAYS
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✭✭✭If Imperials and the white horsie were considered P2W, there's no way you'll convince that crowd that any kind of advantage to subbing is not P2W.
The use of P2W these days is just another way of saying "I don't like any kind of cash shop."
I wonder how many people now saying that +XP is P2W actually have the Imperial Edition? A lot, I would guess.2 -
ToRelax✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭If Imperials and the white horsie were considered P2W, there's no way you'll convince that crowd that any kind of advantage to subbing is not P2W.
The use of P2W these days is just another way of saying "I don't like any kind of cash shop."
I wonder how many people now saying that +XP is P2W actually have the Imperial Edition? A lot, I would guess.
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Seriously, if you read the whole thread it should be obvious that those calling the exp gain "P2W" or at least going that direction, specified it was about the champion points hence you gain them even after hitting max level. That was not the case for the Rings of Mara so I didn't call those P2W. Makes sense?
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Xsorus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »Valen_Byte wrote: »KhajiitiLizard wrote: »Think about it. This would not have much effect on PVP at all. All it really does is get you through PVE zones faster.
More experience grants more champion points which improve your stats, and those better stats give you an advantage in PVP.
^^^ nailed it
Simply playing more nets that advantage.
None of you truly have a clue what Pay to Win actually means.
Pay to Win means that no matter what I do in game...someone who spent money always has the advantage. If i can play slightly more then you and achieve the same thing that's not Pay to Win.
If i can buy a set of Armor on the Cash shop that's not available any other place, and makes me a complete bad ass with higher stats..That's bloody pay to win.
You guys need to learn MMO terminology.
And what if you play as much human body permits, with as much skill & efficiency as possible, but someone does the same and has spent some more $$$ than you?
I fail to see your logic.
It still wouldn't apply, Because the person can play slightly longer and achieve the same goal.
Again if you don't know what Pay To Win actually means, you shouldn't be commenting on Pay to Win.
you clearly don't know what it means.https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXpX7JMwRXtczc5GTrIYRIw
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✭✭✭If Imperials and the white horsie were considered P2W, there's no way you'll convince that crowd that any kind of advantage to subbing is not P2W.
The use of P2W these days is just another way of saying "I don't like any kind of cash shop."
I wonder how many people now saying that +XP is P2W actually have the Imperial Edition? A lot, I would guess.
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Seriously, if you read the whole thread it should be obvious that those calling the exp gain "P2W" or at least going that direction, specified it was about the champion points hence you gain them even after hitting max level. That was not the case for the Rings of Mara so I didn't call those P2W. Makes sense?
And I don't have Imperial Edition...
Yes I know. It's still an idiotic use of P2W unless your idea of playing the game is racing to 3600 CPs.1 -
DDuke✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »Valen_Byte wrote: »KhajiitiLizard wrote: »Think about it. This would not have much effect on PVP at all. All it really does is get you through PVE zones faster.
More experience grants more champion points which improve your stats, and those better stats give you an advantage in PVP.
^^^ nailed it
Simply playing more nets that advantage.
None of you truly have a clue what Pay to Win actually means.
Pay to Win means that no matter what I do in game...someone who spent money always has the advantage. If i can play slightly more then you and achieve the same thing that's not Pay to Win.
If i can buy a set of Armor on the Cash shop that's not available any other place, and makes me a complete bad ass with higher stats..That's bloody pay to win.
You guys need to learn MMO terminology.
And what if you play as much human body permits, with as much skill & efficiency as possible, but someone does the same and has spent some more $$$ than you?
I fail to see your logic.
It still wouldn't apply, Because the person can play slightly longer and achieve the same goal.
Again if you don't know what Pay To Win actually means, you shouldn't be commenting on Pay to Win.
you clearly don't know what it means.
Is this your reaction?
Two players that were equal before, played equal amount of time & were equally skilled & dedicated, are no longer equal, when one of them has more $$$.
How could I put it more simply so you can understand?1 -
ToRelax✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »Valen_Byte wrote: »KhajiitiLizard wrote: »Think about it. This would not have much effect on PVP at all. All it really does is get you through PVE zones faster.
More experience grants more champion points which improve your stats, and those better stats give you an advantage in PVP.
^^^ nailed it
Simply playing more nets that advantage.
None of you truly have a clue what Pay to Win actually means.
Pay to Win means that no matter what I do in game...someone who spent money always has the advantage. If i can play slightly more then you and achieve the same thing that's not Pay to Win.
If i can buy a set of Armor on the Cash shop that's not available any other place, and makes me a complete bad ass with higher stats..That's bloody pay to win.
You guys need to learn MMO terminology.
And what if you play as much human body permits, with as much skill & efficiency as possible, but someone does the same and has spent some more $$$ than you?
I fail to see your logic.
It still wouldn't apply, Because the person can play slightly longer and achieve the same goal.
Again if you don't know what Pay To Win actually means, you shouldn't be commenting on Pay to Win.
you clearly don't know what it means.
Oh man, just come up with a not completely subjective definition instead of bragging all the time you'd be the only one here understanding some term.
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✭KhajiitiLizard wrote: »
No but it does give the Person paying an advantage over the B2P that does not take the Membership. This gives them an advantage period,meaning that advantage will carry on to all aspects of the game including PvP.
Hence Pay to Win
So no matter what anybody says to you, your answer's going to continue to be "HRUUUUUR Pay 2 WIN!"
Someone for instance could say, "Lizard." To which you'd respond, "Pay to win!"
So arguing with you is pointless.Shendell De'Gull - V14 Vampire Nightblade
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✭And aren't some of you leaving the game with this "catastrophic" turn of events anyhow?
If so, why the hell do you care? Wash your hands of it and go on your merry way.Shendell De'Gull - V14 Vampire Nightblade
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DDuke✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭If Imperials and the white horsie were considered P2W, there's no way you'll convince that crowd that any kind of advantage to subbing is not P2W.
The use of P2W these days is just another way of saying "I don't like any kind of cash shop."
I wonder how many people now saying that +XP is P2W actually have the Imperial Edition? A lot, I would guess.
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Seriously, if you read the whole thread it should be obvious that those calling the exp gain "P2W" or at least going that direction, specified it was about the champion points hence you gain them even after hitting max level. That was not the case for the Rings of Mara so I didn't call those P2W. Makes sense?
And I don't have Imperial Edition...
Yes I know. It's still an idiotic use of P2W unless your idea of playing the game is racing to 3600 CPs.
That player with 3600 CPs is going to be significantly stronger than you, and he's likely never going to reach the max. (if they keep adding more & more Champion Points), and even if he is, maths dictate that is going to be 4-5 months away.
4-5 months (probably forever) you'll be weaker than someone else, because you didn't spend $$$. But since you seem to abhore the whole competitive aspect of gaming (judging by your comment), this probably won't affect you. You'll always be weaker than the more competitive players.
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Iselin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭If Imperials and the white horsie were considered P2W, there's no way you'll convince that crowd that any kind of advantage to subbing is not P2W.
The use of P2W these days is just another way of saying "I don't like any kind of cash shop."
I wonder how many people now saying that +XP is P2W actually have the Imperial Edition? A lot, I would guess.
-.-
Seriously, if you read the whole thread it should be obvious that those calling the exp gain "P2W" or at least going that direction, specified it was about the champion points hence you gain them even after hitting max level. That was not the case for the Rings of Mara so I didn't call those P2W. Makes sense?
And I don't have Imperial Edition...
Yes I know. It's still an idiotic use of P2W unless your idea of playing the game is racing to 3600 CPs.
That player with 3600 CPs is going to be significantly stronger than you, and he's likely never going to reach the max. (if they keep adding more & more Champion Points), and even if he is, maths dictate that is going to be 4-5 months away.
4-5 months (probably forever) you'll be weaker than someone else, because you didn't spend $$$. But since you seem to abhore the whole competitive aspect of gaming (judging by your comment), this probably won't affect you. You'll always be weaker than the more competitive players.
P2W.
Oh yeah 3300 CPs will beat 3000 10/10 times lol.
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✭✭✭✭✭xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »Valen_Byte wrote: »KhajiitiLizard wrote: »Think about it. This would not have much effect on PVP at all. All it really does is get you through PVE zones faster.
More experience grants more champion points which improve your stats, and those better stats give you an advantage in PVP.
^^^ nailed it
Simply playing more nets that advantage.
None of you truly have a clue what Pay to Win actually means.
Pay to Win means that no matter what I do in game...someone who spent money always has the advantage. If i can play slightly more then you and achieve the same thing that's not Pay to Win.
If i can buy a set of Armor on the Cash shop that's not available any other place, and makes me a complete bad ass with higher stats..That's bloody pay to win.
You guys need to learn MMO terminology.
And what if you play as much human body permits, with as much skill & efficiency as possible, but someone does the same and has spent some more $$$ than you?
I fail to see your logic.
It still wouldn't apply, Because the person can play slightly longer and achieve the same goal.
Again if you don't know what Pay To Win actually means, you shouldn't be commenting on Pay to Win.
you clearly don't know what it means.
Is this your reaction?
Two players that were equal before, played equal amount of time & were equally skilled & dedicated, are no longer equal, when one of them has more $$$.
How could I put it more simply so you can understand?
Again you clearly don't understand what Pay to Win means.. Its not even a hard concept to understand but you clearly aren't getting it.
Hell by your definition the game is already pay to win simply because I can buy a slightly faster car in Real Life to get home faster and play more.
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DDuke✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »Valen_Byte wrote: »KhajiitiLizard wrote: »Think about it. This would not have much effect on PVP at all. All it really does is get you through PVE zones faster.
More experience grants more champion points which improve your stats, and those better stats give you an advantage in PVP.
^^^ nailed it
Simply playing more nets that advantage.
None of you truly have a clue what Pay to Win actually means.
Pay to Win means that no matter what I do in game...someone who spent money always has the advantage. If i can play slightly more then you and achieve the same thing that's not Pay to Win.
If i can buy a set of Armor on the Cash shop that's not available any other place, and makes me a complete bad ass with higher stats..That's bloody pay to win.
You guys need to learn MMO terminology.
And what if you play as much human body permits, with as much skill & efficiency as possible, but someone does the same and has spent some more $$$ than you?
I fail to see your logic.
It still wouldn't apply, Because the person can play slightly longer and achieve the same goal.
Again if you don't know what Pay To Win actually means, you shouldn't be commenting on Pay to Win.
you clearly don't know what it means.
Is this your reaction?
Two players that were equal before, played equal amount of time & were equally skilled & dedicated, are no longer equal, when one of them has more $$$.
How could I put it more simply so you can understand?
Again you clearly don't understand what Pay to Win means.. Its not even a hard concept to understand but you clearly aren't getting it.
Hell by your definition the game is already pay to win simply because I can buy a slightly faster car in Real Life to get home faster and play more.
You are making no sense.
What does Real Life (with capitals) & cars have to do with this? We are talking about ESO & what you do in game here. What you do in Real Life is up to you & you alone.
If someone can spend his time more efficiently in game & achieve direct advantages because he spent $$$ in game, that is P2W.
Since you like real life Real Life examples, here's one: you & your friend are equally good drivers, but your salary is 10% higher. This has allowed you to buy a better car than your friend. One day you race, and you win. That is P2W (if people actually used that term in Real Life).
Why can't you just accept you're wrong? There's no shame in it.Edited by DDuke on January 22, 2015 3:15AM1 -
Let's see here...
10% bonus to experience point gain (Okay, this is not pay to win)
10% bonus to crafting research
10% bonus to crafting inspiration gain
10% bonus to gold acquisition
... For everyone, who is paying a sub like they do now. It would be pay to win, if you only can get it from the cashstore by paying an additional amount of money.
Edited by Northern_Wolfling on January 22, 2015 3:23AM2 -
Valen_Byte✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »Valen_Byte wrote: »KhajiitiLizard wrote: »Think about it. This would not have much effect on PVP at all. All it really does is get you through PVE zones faster.
More experience grants more champion points which improve your stats, and those better stats give you an advantage in PVP.
^^^ nailed it
Simply playing more nets that advantage.
None of you truly have a clue what Pay to Win actually means.
Pay to Win means that no matter what I do in game...someone who spent money always has the advantage. If i can play slightly more then you and achieve the same thing that's not Pay to Win.
If i can buy a set of Armor on the Cash shop that's not available any other place, and makes me a complete bad ass with higher stats..That's bloody pay to win.
You guys need to learn MMO terminology.
Dont be a D.ck
XP = CP if you get a buff/pay for a buff, then you gain faster than someone who is not. Spin it how ever you want. Truth.
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✭✭✭✭✭xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »Valen_Byte wrote: »KhajiitiLizard wrote: »Think about it. This would not have much effect on PVP at all. All it really does is get you through PVE zones faster.
More experience grants more champion points which improve your stats, and those better stats give you an advantage in PVP.
^^^ nailed it
Simply playing more nets that advantage.
None of you truly have a clue what Pay to Win actually means.
Pay to Win means that no matter what I do in game...someone who spent money always has the advantage. If i can play slightly more then you and achieve the same thing that's not Pay to Win.
If i can buy a set of Armor on the Cash shop that's not available any other place, and makes me a complete bad ass with higher stats..That's bloody pay to win.
You guys need to learn MMO terminology.
And what if you play as much human body permits, with as much skill & efficiency as possible, but someone does the same and has spent some more $$$ than you?
I fail to see your logic.
It still wouldn't apply, Because the person can play slightly longer and achieve the same goal.
Again if you don't know what Pay To Win actually means, you shouldn't be commenting on Pay to Win.
you clearly don't know what it means.
Is this your reaction?
Two players that were equal before, played equal amount of time & were equally skilled & dedicated, are no longer equal, when one of them has more $$$.
How could I put it more simply so you can understand?
Again you clearly don't understand what Pay to Win means.. Its not even a hard concept to understand but you clearly aren't getting it.
Hell by your definition the game is already pay to win simply because I can buy a slightly faster car in Real Life to get home faster and play more.
You are making no sense.
What does Real Life (with capitals) & cars have to do with this? We are talking about ESO & what you do in game here. What you do in Real Life is up to you & you alone.
If someone can spend his time more efficiently in game & achieve direct advantages because he spent $$$ in game, that is P2W.
Since you like real life Real Life examples, here's one: you & your friend are equally good drivers, but your salary is 10% higher. This has allowed you to buy a better car than your friend. One day you race, and you win. That is P2W (if people actually used that term in Real Life).
Why can't you just accept you're wrong? There's no shame in it.
So you think the game is Pay to Win already? Since you just stated that someone with 10% more salary could buy a better car and get home faster to play the game. Game is already Pay to Win according to you.
Rofl.
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Xsorus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Valen_Byte wrote: »xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »Valen_Byte wrote: »KhajiitiLizard wrote: »Think about it. This would not have much effect on PVP at all. All it really does is get you through PVE zones faster.
More experience grants more champion points which improve your stats, and those better stats give you an advantage in PVP.
^^^ nailed it
Simply playing more nets that advantage.
None of you truly have a clue what Pay to Win actually means.
Pay to Win means that no matter what I do in game...someone who spent money always has the advantage. If i can play slightly more then you and achieve the same thing that's not Pay to Win.
If i can buy a set of Armor on the Cash shop that's not available any other place, and makes me a complete bad ass with higher stats..That's bloody pay to win.
You guys need to learn MMO terminology.
Dont be a D.ck
XP = CP if you get a buff/pay for a buff, then you gain faster than someone who is not. Spin it how ever you want. Truth.
Faster in relation to what? If i start playing the game at 4PM every day, vs you start to play it at 5PM every day, even though we both play 9 hours a day I will reach the goal before you every single time.
You gaining 10% more xp would never change that outcome either. I would always achieve the goal before you.Edited by Xsorus on January 22, 2015 3:38AMhttps://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXpX7JMwRXtczc5GTrIYRIw
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DDuke✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Valen_Byte wrote: »xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »Valen_Byte wrote: »KhajiitiLizard wrote: »Think about it. This would not have much effect on PVP at all. All it really does is get you through PVE zones faster.
More experience grants more champion points which improve your stats, and those better stats give you an advantage in PVP.
^^^ nailed it
Simply playing more nets that advantage.
None of you truly have a clue what Pay to Win actually means.
Pay to Win means that no matter what I do in game...someone who spent money always has the advantage. If i can play slightly more then you and achieve the same thing that's not Pay to Win.
If i can buy a set of Armor on the Cash shop that's not available any other place, and makes me a complete bad ass with higher stats..That's bloody pay to win.
You guys need to learn MMO terminology.
Dont be a D.ck
XP = CP if you get a buff/pay for a buff, then you gain faster than someone who is not. Spin it how ever you want. Truth.
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✭KhajiitiLizard wrote: »You level faster? Big deal, if you are a trash player you will still be trash no matter how fast you leveled. If ESO+ would give you buffs that effect gameplay like +10% to health or spell damage, etc. That would be pay to win. You could say that +10% XP would let you earn CP faster which you could use on buffs, but this XP gain will not magically make someone a better player.
I still have hope for this game and will continue to play.
But they already said that those champion points will give extra health or spell damage or spell crit? So how are they pay2win by themselves but not pay2win if you get points that you spend to get them faster?0 -
Father✭✭✭Nah I don't think its P2W. They can always disable this buff when going to pvp.Edited by Father on January 22, 2015 6:02AM1 -
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✭KhajiitiLizard wrote: »You level faster? Big deal, if you are a trash player you will still be trash no matter how fast you leveled. If ESO+ would give you buffs that effect gameplay like +10% to health or spell damage, etc. That would be pay to win. You could say that +10% XP would let you earn CP faster which you could use on buffs, but this XP gain will not magically make someone a better player.
I still have hope for this game and will continue to play.
XP is translated to Champion points the last time I checked. Champion points give you better stats which will help you win. You paid for that XP bonus so you're paying for the extra stats in a crowns transaction...
If the XP bonus only works lv1-49 then it's not a big deal at all. No harm. No foul. However if it applies post lv50 then this is a large pay to win scheme.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭The "plus" players are not getting a 10% bonus, the "unlimited" players are getting a 10% reduction. It's all in the wording. For example, if you get 100xp for killing X mob under the system now, in march the "plus" player will still get 100 xp for the same mob, while the "unlimited" player will get 90. The "plus" player is getting more xp then the "unlimited" player, but it is not a bonus.0 -
ToRelax✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭The "plus" players are not getting a 10% bonus, the "unlimited" players are getting a 10% reduction. It's all in the wording. For example, if you get 100xp for killing X mob under the system now, in march the "plus" player will still get 100 xp for the same mob, while the "unlimited" player will get 90. The "plus" player is getting more xp then the "unlimited" player, but it is not a bonus.
Actually the "Malus" is 9.09 period % ... so no, it's in the maths, not in the wording :P .
And no, it's a bonus to how it is now, you will get 10% more exp if you subscribe to ESO Plus.
Now, what you tried in that statement is first calling a bonus to some players a malus for the rest (no problem with that), then refusing to accept that you can still see it as a bonus as well.
I guess you are fine than if I told you that is a "Pay-to-not-lose"-mechanic then?
Or what are you trying to say here :P ?Edited by ToRelax on January 22, 2015 10:14AMDAGON - ALTADOON - CHIM - GHARTOK
The Covenant is broken. The Enemy has won...
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Govalon✭✭✭✭xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »Valen_Byte wrote: »KhajiitiLizard wrote: »Think about it. This would not have much effect on PVP at all. All it really does is get you through PVE zones faster.
More experience grants more champion points which improve your stats, and those better stats give you an advantage in PVP.
^^^ nailed it
Simply playing more nets that advantage.
None of you truly have a clue what Pay to Win actually means.
Pay to Win means that no matter what I do in game...someone who spent money always has the advantage. If i can play slightly more then you and achieve the same thing that's not Pay to Win.
If i can buy a set of Armor on the Cash shop that's not available any other place, and makes me a complete bad ass with higher stats..That's bloody pay to win.
You guys need to learn MMO terminology.
And what if you play as much human body permits, with as much skill & efficiency as possible, but someone does the same and has spent some more $$$ than you?
I fail to see your logic.
It still wouldn't apply, Because the person can play slightly longer and achieve the same goal.
Again if you don't know what Pay To Win actually means, you shouldn't be commenting on Pay to Win.
you clearly don't know what it means.
Is this your reaction?
Two players that were equal before, played equal amount of time & were equally skilled & dedicated, are no longer equal, when one of them has more $$$.
How could I put it more simply so you can understand?
Again you clearly don't understand what Pay to Win means.. Its not even a hard concept to understand but you clearly aren't getting it.
Hell by your definition the game is already pay to win simply because I can buy a slightly faster car in Real Life to get home faster and play more.
You must have some serious brain damage. It is the only way to explain how you are the only peron on this topic who does not know what pay to win means. People have repeateply told you what it means but you still don't get it. It is not even that hard concept to grasp.Edited by Govalon on January 22, 2015 11:43AM1 -
Lordstarfox✭✭Don't the diminishing returns make the difference fairly negligible in this case?
I suppose the exp boosts is slightly P2W,but not enough for me to give a damn about it.
E:oh,gold too,now THAT is different matter and i don't completely accept this part.Edited by Lordstarfox on January 22, 2015 12:08PM1 -
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I agree this sounds a bit P2W-like and a bit odd. Maybe CP accumulation will be based on "raw" XP, rather than "boosted" XP?
More experience grants more champion points which improve your stats, and those better stats give you an advantage in PVP.KhajiitiLizard wrote: »Think about it. This would not have much effect on PVP at all. All it really does is get you through PVE zones faster.
Not true. They specifically stated that XP is not going to be reduced.The "plus" players are not getting a 10% bonus, the "unlimited" players are getting a 10% reduction. It's all in the wording. For example, if you get 100xp for killing X mob under the system now, in march the "plus" player will still get 100 xp for the same mob, while the "unlimited" player will get 90. The "plus" player is getting more xp then the "unlimited" player, but it is not a bonus.
I agree that this one is a bit too much like P2W. It is only 10% though. 12 gold -> 13 gold. 369 gold -> 405 gold. It may only apply to drops anyway, and not quest rewards.10% bonus to gold acquisitionUESP: The Unofficial Elder Scrolls Pages - A collaborative source for all knowledge on the Elder Scrolls series since 1995
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Nysticc✭✭✭1 hour grinding = 10k-15k gold, 11-16.5k gold with the bonus. (Doesn't need a comment)
30 days to research 8+ traits, 27 days with the bonus. (Most players can already craft everything.)
Currently you can get exp at a rate 1-3m per hour, 1.1-3.3 with the bonus. (Ring s of Mara?)
The crafting skill lines are so easy to raise I don't the point of including them here.
Hmm, Pay to Win... nope... can't see it..
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