Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

Show me the non cosmetic stuff in SWTOR that is a F2P model with Subs?

How 'bout that obnoxious button that is the only orange button on your hud that screams CLICK ME!!!!!1

NotSo wrote: »

My question is: if my sub ends which kills my expansion access, if I reup my sub will I get access to the expansions again. Also, does this work the same on console.

From what they have said, I'm going to assume yes. As long as you are subscribed, you will have access to the DLC.

zward887_ESO wrote: »

omfgitsbatman wrote: »

As long as they don't incorporate tons of micro transactions that give you an actual edge in game, this will be much the same game.

Can you not see the clear flaw in your logic? Of course it won't start off this way. Its highly unlikely it will remain this way though. This is the beginning of the end, but there is still some time to enjoy the game though before they add 'more content' to the cash shop.

If they do indeed incorporate microtransactions and a system that I see as Pay to win, I will be the first to unsubscribe. I simply don't see that yet. A subscription is what they have right now, and a subscription is what I will continue to give them. If they decide to make microtransactions mandatory for me to stay competitive, then this will no longer be the game for me.

Phyllya wrote: »

Awesome.. Agree.. disagree.. Hate it.. Loved it.. guys.. eveything will depend on the ''store items that will be available'' AND in the amount of crowns that will be required for ''one'' cool item

This.

omfgitsbatman wrote: »

If you are saying, because you subscribe, you get a slight edge over the F2P people, you are absolutely correct. However, this edge does not seem insurmountable by a player that is F2P and plays a lot yet. Even if subscribing did give you additional content and such, it would hardly be a new model. I mean even Runescape did this...

And everything you just said is meaningless, because you can justify any amount of P2W with that. A 500% increase to damage and health isn't "insurmountable" either, because it's still theoretically possible to beat them.

And we definitely want to make ESO like Runescape... What a great idea.

It Is Decided - Suck It! f2p ppl + crowns + store + rewards + stuff .. It may be cool.. They just have to be Very Careful with what the Store will have

omfgitsbatman wrote: »

zward887_ESO wrote: »

omfgitsbatman wrote: »

As long as they don't incorporate tons of micro transactions that give you an actual edge in game, this will be much the same game.

Can you not see the clear flaw in your logic? Of course it won't start off this way. Its highly unlikely it will remain this way though. This is the beginning of the end, but there is still some time to enjoy the game though before they add 'more content' to the cash shop.

If they do indeed incorporate microtransactions and a system that I see as Pay to win, I will be the first to unsubscribe. I simply don't see that yet. A subscription is what they have right now, and a subscription is what I will continue to give them. If they decide to make microtransactions mandatory for me to stay competitive, then this will no longer be the game for me.

They throw out "premium" and you all over look the fact your sub fee is now a P2W. The XP/Gold boosts etc = S2W (Sub 2 Win) They've just cleverly went this route over B2P free and F2P with a cash shop because who knows if those people will spend the sub fee every month in the shop -but a sub will and all you have to do is continue your sub to have the advantages.

I won't say it's not a good decision for ZOS and the best path for them to take to continue the game but I am very disappointed to say the least, because I would never purchase a game that is in anyway P2W.

'Chicken little' huh....a bit condescending don't you think? Doesn't matter how you polish a turd...its still a turd.

Ohioastro wrote: »

The cash shop never starts out intrusive. Unfortunately, there is an extremely predictable trajectory.

If it does too little, then people don't buy things - and the cash shop then gets steadily more intrusive until you wake up and discover that it's ruined the game.

We've seen many, many examples of this. It happens every time. Rather than pretending that people who dislike this are irrational, show us the counter-examples - of games with cash shops that stayed non-intrusive, and of cash shop games with quality and regular updates.

Planetside 2, the only thing I would consider "intrusive" is repeated icons suggesting we become a member rather than be free to play. Cosmetics available via cash, weapons and other gear available via cash or in game currency with equivalents. While I can't speak for it myself I've heard good things about Guild Wars 2 cash shop but as I've not played it directly I can't speak to it.

I don't believe the sky is falling, in fact I'm kind of interested in how this pans out. Unfortunately I've become extremely jumpy about them making sudden about changes when they tell us things will be one way and then switch. Their communication is terrible as a general rule so kudos to them doing what little damage management they could.

Bouvin wrote: »

omfgitsbatman wrote: »

rylixav wrote: »

omfgitsbatman wrote: »

Ok, I see where they are offering to sell crown packs, but right above it, they did say this:
"Will I be required to buy anything from the Crown Store to play the game?
No. All items in the Crown Store are completely optional and are meant to enhance your game play experience. They are not required to play or compete in the game."

I don't know what that statement even means.

"All items in the Crown Store are completely optional"

Well, yeah, every purchase you make in your entire life is completely optional. Pay to win is completely optional too. How can any purchase of any product not be "optional"? What's the alternative? A salesman breaks into your house and put a gun to your head? Should Walmart put up signs all over the store saying "all purchases are completely optional?"

I believe what they are saying here is that it will not be pay to win. It will be just cosmetic and vanity items and little things that could be somewhat usefull but still not mandatory from the store like soul gems.

Just like they said they only removed the 6-month sub model because it was unpopular.

Just like they said they'd track XP and do a conversion for CP.

Just like they said we'd get content updated every 4-6 weeks.

Just like they kept telling us 1.6 PTS was only delayed because of bug fixes and patch notes translations.

Just like they've been hyping Champion System, Justice System, Provisioning Revamp for like 3 months now but haven't mentioned a single peep about the new subscription model even though they HAD TO KNOW ABOUT IT BECAUSE IT'S CODED into 1.6.

Seriously, when are some people going to catch on?

We don't know when they decided to code for it. 3 months is long enough to get art and stuff going while coding stuff in.

I'm glad about all this... the only thing it will do is get rid of all those mmo junkies who are here to only PvP. You know... the ones who don't know anything about the lore, they don't quest, and they don't care about the previous ES games. I say great... you don't want a Crown Shop leave! Don't let the door hit your @$$ on the way out. I won't miss you. It would be nice to PvP with people who like the game.

I think its the best MMO I've played and its the best ES ever. I've played every ES game since Morrowind. They were all great in their day.

All you MMO junkies pleeeeeeze go back to WoW or something.

Thanks, Zenimax.

Bouvin wrote: »

rylixav wrote: »

omfgitsbatman wrote: »

In summation: The sky is not falling, Chicken Little.

Well of course the sky isn't falling. Once they introduce an ability to make the sky fall, it will cost $25 per character on the cash shop. Also, the new Chicken Little pet will be $35.

Don't forget about keys to open lockboxes you loot on mobs. Those will only cost $2 each, with a 0.002% chance to contain a mount. But every mob in the game will drop lockboxes, so you're inventory will be full of them but you won't be able to open till you spend cash.

Ahhh, looks like a fellow survivor of Lotro's cash shop.

omfgitsbatman wrote: »

Vis wrote: »

omfgitsbatman wrote: »

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Going to screenshot this for my delusional "fan boy" collection.

Honestly, even If I'm completely wrong and they do go pay to win with all the microtransactions that drastically effect game play that other games are implementing, then I think we've still got a while to enjoy the game. Tamriel Unlimited doesn't launch until June 9th, and then with the rate at which they update their game, it will be another long while before they do anything else noteworthy.

Enjoy the transition. Luckily the market has alternatives for the rest of us.