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Why Dont You Ask Us - Your Subscribers
TeaCii
Soul Shriven
HI,
I love ESO. Others may differ but I find it beautiful. I subscribed day one.
That said, I understand that ESO is special and the whole ESO Team needs to earn money to keep this going. I think everyone is on board with that.
A lot of ESO disasters come from simply making decisions. Some times based on loudest voices. Fact is that it is the quietest voices that support you.
Why did you not - prepare a couple of business models that would work for you as a company and offer a OPINION POLE? I mean forget the peeps that dont play. What about the peeps that are paying and playing. Dont you really want to know what they think? Why not involve them in the effort. The outcome can ONLY be positive.
If for some reason, PAYING community, each with ONLY ONE VOTE, finds your offers as unreasonable, you need to go to the drawing board and come back.
As the outcome you will have:
- A business model that is acceptable to you
- A community that accepts the pole results
- A community that becomes ambassador for ESO
I would hate to see this go to trash because it lost quality due to experimentation.
TO FELLOW PLAYERS: If you agree, Please post something here so that it hopefully gets read.
Thanks
TeaCii
I love ESO. Others may differ but I find it beautiful. I subscribed day one.
That said, I understand that ESO is special and the whole ESO Team needs to earn money to keep this going. I think everyone is on board with that.
A lot of ESO disasters come from simply making decisions. Some times based on loudest voices. Fact is that it is the quietest voices that support you.
Why did you not - prepare a couple of business models that would work for you as a company and offer a OPINION POLE? I mean forget the peeps that dont play. What about the peeps that are paying and playing. Dont you really want to know what they think? Why not involve them in the effort. The outcome can ONLY be positive.
If for some reason, PAYING community, each with ONLY ONE VOTE, finds your offers as unreasonable, you need to go to the drawing board and come back.
As the outcome you will have:
- A business model that is acceptable to you
- A community that accepts the pole results
- A community that becomes ambassador for ESO
I would hate to see this go to trash because it lost quality due to experimentation.
TO FELLOW PLAYERS: If you agree, Please post something here so that it hopefully gets read.
Thanks
TeaCii
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Totally and completely agree. Depending on the cash shop I may well leave the game. I like subscription games far better than free to play because free to play inevitably becomes pay to win.Me: "Okay lets run to Alessia. Mount up and follow me!"
Me five seconds later: "Um yeah... totally forgot about that cliff..."1 -
alainjbrennanb16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭agreed this is the wrong route if they waited another year people would have started to pay the subMain character dk - Vanikifar whitestrike1
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Woolenthreads✭✭✭✭They would have had to send the poll out to all the subscribers and then wait until they received at least 80% of the responses back.Oooh look, lot's of Butterflies! Wait! Butterflies? Get out of here Sheo, stop bugging me!
Having issues with Provisioning Writs? A list of problem Writs and people willing to help in game can be found in this Thread1 -
Bouvin✭✭✭✭✭
✭Because they don't care.
The game's developers don't make these decisions. The executives and accountants do.4 -
timidobserver✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭No company is going to give up revenue at the request of their customers. You'll get to give input on their direction, but you won't get to change the direction to something less profitable.V16 Uriel Stormblessed EP Magicka Templar(main)
V16 Derelict Vagabond EP Stamina DK
V16 Redacted Ep Stam Sorc
V16 Insolent EP Magicka Sorc(retired)
V16 Jed I Nyte EP Stamina NB(retired)3 -
Iselin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Oh goody! We get to run the company now too. I want the key to executive washroom.... right now, damn it!1 -
Gyudan✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭What bothers me is that they claim that this decision was based on player feedback, while it was purely financial.Wololo.5 -
Gamerscape2007✭✭✭✭In my opinion, as long the cash shop is just cosmetics and pay for convenience rather then paytowin, I'm fine with it.1 -
Muizer✭✭✭✭✭
✭One of the most annoying aspects of the broadcast is that one of those guys actually dared to suggest this move was because we asked for it. That's just...........I mean it's just.......what?Please stop making requests for game features. ZOS have enough bad ideas as it is!4 -
Yasha✭✭✭✭✭I am so glad that this elitist, entitled sub culture is going away and normal gamers will be able to enjoy this really amazing mmo.7
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Umm I am not sure if you have noticed but they really could care less about what we have to say or what we think. They may give the illusion that they do care but they do not.
I have been reading as many threads as I can since Twitch and I can only remember 3 or 4 times where the staff actually posted anything and mostly it was insignificant. ZOS DOES NOT CARE and the forum mods DO NOT CARE what we have to say or what we think as evidenced by the lack of ANYONE engaging the player base in this situation.0 -
xaraan✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Don't confuse a vocal minority as the majority. There are plenty of us subscribers out here that like what they are moving toward. And let's not forget all those sub they've lost so far, those votes count as well, if not more since they are speaking with their wallets. If the true "majority" of players wanted it to stay the way it is, then they would making enough money to not want to change the business model.
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liquid_wolf✭✭✭✭Customers do not run a company.
The idea is nice, but no... this isn't a democracy. I believe it counts as an oligarchy, where the wealthiest/investors make the decisions.Edited by liquid_wolf on January 21, 2015 11:41PM1 -
Dagoth_Rac✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭They didn't ask us because there aren't enough of us. If there were enough of us, they would not be changing the payment model. And they know exactly what we would say, "Keep it P2P!" But they can't keep it P2P because there are not enough people paying to play. :-(1 -
AshySamurai✭✭✭✭✭
✭Did anyone here ever heard about survivorship bias? Google it. IMO this is mostly why they don't ask us about most their desigions.Make sweetrolls, not nerfs!0 -
OrangeTheCat✭✭✭✭✭
✭Because they don't care about us OP. Our opinions matter only to the extent that acting on them keeps us paying. What you and many here expect is that the makers of this game would take pride in their work and treat ES with reverence. But it's just not so.1 -
Theosis✭✭✭✭I agree with this but it wont happen. The people who have never played the game are the ones who make the choices.
That's how it is with almost everything. My job and most peoples jobs are the same way. The *** rolls down hill.
The only thing we can do is decide to play or decide not to play. Ill play till it isn't fun. That's my choice.
It may actually be a good thing. We may like what comes about.This is were my signature would be if I was allowed one.1 -
LonePirate✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭If businesses cared about their customers, they would not need marketing and PR departments to convince us to buy their goods and services.0 -
Merlin13KAGL✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭This is democracy at its finest!?
Politicians always represent the interest of the people...
...right up to the moment they get in the office.Just because you don't like the way something is doesn't necessarily make it wrong...
Earn it.
IRL'ing for a while for assorted reasons, in forum, and in game.I am neither warm, nor fuzzy...
Probably has checkbox on Customer Service profile that say High Aggro, 99% immunity to BS0 -
Gidorick✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭They have investors to answer to. We are not their customers, we are their revenue stream. We're the source of money that they tap to line someone else's pocket with.
You don't ask the chicken if it would prefer to be fried or grilled....What ESO really needs is an Auction Horse.
That's right... Horse.
Click HERE to discuss.
Want more crazy ideas? Check out my Concept Repository!2 -
WraithAzraiel✭✭✭✭✭
✭I am so glad that this elitist, entitled sub culture is going away and normal gamers will be able to enjoy this really amazing mmo.
Yes, these capitalist pigs should share their hard earned things with the rest of the world, comrade.Shendell De'Gull - V14 Vampire Nightblade
Captain of the Black Howling
"There's no such thing as overkill..."
"No problem on the face of the Earth exists what can't be fixed with the proper application of enough duct tape and 550 cord."
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tpanisiakb16_ESO✭✭✭✭
Why did you not - prepare a couple of business models that would work for you as a company and offer a OPINION POLE? I mean forget the peeps that dont play. What about the peeps that are paying and playing. Dont you really want to know what they think? Why not involve them in the effort. The outcome can ONLY be positive.
It blows my mind that you so-called loyal fans just don't understand that loyalty and your subscriptions were simply not enough in the face of a financial downswing and downsize. Do you guys not think for a moment that if if was viable to keep ESO afloat with subscriptions only, to cover the cost of ongoing development, to keep developers paid and fed, and the servers on they would have not changed business models?
At the end of each day your ass-kissery, your loyalty, your white-knighting and promises to keep paying mean absolutely nothing when faced with financial uncertainty.
What would an opinion pole accomplish? Of course "loyal customers" would want to keep the game as-is; and even discussing it opening would be enough to create terrible press (even worse than when the rumors started flying).
Can you guys not stop and see that it's B2P or Elder Scrolls Online goes Offline indefinitely? Stuff happens, the game wasn't successful enough to merit subscription costs, but this new transition means we can have our cakes and eat it too. If you're so loyal and unsubbing because of whatever dumb reason you have, then calling yourself a once-loyalist is pretty pathetic when you can see past your own fan goggles and sense of entitlement.
Every single one of you would do the same given the position ESO and ZOS is in. Money makes the world go around, not loyalty. Loyalty does not keep bread on the table.
Edited by tpanisiakb16_ESO on January 22, 2015 5:14PM2 -
Mortuum✭✭✭✭I am so glad that this elitist, entitled sub culture is going away and normal gamers will be able to enjoy this really amazing mmo.
You mean normal gamers like you, generation IWantItForFreeNaoPlox, who want everything to be handed to them on credit card(ehm meant silver plate) for free, without even playing the game?
Because only this kind of people will be happy with having store in game, where they dont have to do anything to get mount/achievement/armor set, enough to ask daddy for hes gold credit card.
Enjoy your microtransactions game, you and all others like you. It is your time now, freeloaders and dumb lazy kids.
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TeaCiiSoul Shriventpanisiakb16_ESO wrote: »
Why did you not - prepare a couple of business models that would work for you as a company and offer a OPINION POLE? I mean forget the peeps that dont play. What about the peeps that are paying and playing. Dont you really want to know what they think? Why not involve them in the effort. The outcome can ONLY be positive.
It blows my mind that you so-called loyal fans just don't understand that loyalty and your subscriptions were simply not enough in the face of a financial downswing and downsize. Do you guys not think for a moment that if if was viable to keep ESO afloat with subscriptions only, to cover the cost of ongoing development, to keep developers paid and fed, and the servers on they would have not changed business models?
At the end of each day your ass-kissery, your loyalty, your white-knighting and promises to keep paying mean absolutely nothing when faced with financial uncertainty.
What would an opinion pole accomplish? Of course "loyal customers" would want to keep the game as-is; and even discussing it opening would be enough to create terrible press (even worse than when the rumors started flying).
Can you guys not stop and see that it's B2P or Elder Scrolls Online goes Offline indefinitely? Stuff happens, the game wasn't successful enough to merit subscription costs, but this new transition means we can have our cakes and eat it too. If you're so loyal and unsubbing because of whatever dumb reason you have, then calling yourself a once-loyalist is pretty pathetic when you can see past your own fan goggles and sense of entitlement.
Every single one of you would do the same given the position ESO and ZOS is in. Money makes the world go around, not loyalty. Loyalty does not keep bread on the table.
Wow.. you sure seem to know more. Yet, I see no solution or even an idea being proposed.
Do you think being aggressive makes you right?
Being a part of change is not same as stopping change.Edited by TeaCii on January 26, 2015 1:56PM2 -
bertenburnyb16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭lol ask us, us unorganized chaotic forum randoms,
or people in suits with overpriced haircuts and CHARTS
guess who they went with?Haze Ramoran Dunmer Dragonknight Tank/Dps – Smoked-Da-Herb Saxheel Templar Tank/Healer
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timidobserver wrote: »No company is going to give up revenue at the request of their customers. You'll get to give input on their direction, but you won't get to change the direction to something less profitable.
Except that's exactly what they just did. The yare giving up long term revenue for a short term increase in cash.I am so glad that this elitist, entitled sub culture is going away and normal gamers will be able to enjoy this really amazing mmo.
Except that the subscription model is the only one that ensures everyone is on an equal footing. But sure, please do enjoy a game where you and all your "normal gamers" friends get to enjoy going against the elites that can afford to pay for every advantage the cash shop is willing to offer them.
Have fun.
@tpanisiakb16_ESO
They never came out and say it was a survival move.
Even if they wanted to say something like that, no one would believe them unless they showed actual numbers. Numbers that could be lies anyway.
Even if they had only 100k subscribers, they would still be in the positive.
What motivates this chance is a shortsighted attempt at doing a cash grab of players that hadn't bought the game due to the subscription.
That number is most likely quite small, and if someone wasn't ready to pay $15 a month, they will certainly not pay anything in a cash shop.
They will lose money in this change, but will have a faster ROI for their investors to move on to another short term project.
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Digiman✭✭✭✭✭HI,
I love ESO. Others may differ but I find it beautiful. I subscribed day one.
That said, I understand that ESO is special and the whole ESO Team needs to earn money to keep this going. I think everyone is on board with that.
A lot of ESO disasters come from simply making decisions. Some times based on loudest voices. Fact is that it is the quietest voices that support you.
Why did you not - prepare a couple of business models that would work for you as a company and offer a OPINION POLE? I mean forget the peeps that dont play. What about the peeps that are paying and playing. Dont you really want to know what they think? Why not involve them in the effort. The outcome can ONLY be positive.
IT BEGINS!
Cause the community till now has been nothing roses. Also terrible business model to base your income on the opinion of gamers who pay to play a game and have no damn experience running an MMO.2 -
rawne1980b16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭thawt29b14_ESO wrote: »and the forum mods DO NOT CARE what we have to say or what we think as evidenced by the lack of ANYONE engaging the player base in this situation.
The forums mods can't do anything.
What do you expect them to do, use their power of thread locking for good and alter the course of development by using mystical loopholes in the forums ToS?
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