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Lifetime Subscription Option
Goldie
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@ZOS, I have seen in the past, when other MMO games went F2P or B2P, that they offered a "lifetime" subscription option. ie. STO had a lifetime sub price of 299 USD.
Will players have this option with ESO?
If not, I submit the idea for a "lifetime" subscription option!
Will players have this option with ESO?
If not, I submit the idea for a "lifetime" subscription option!
"Wood Elves aren't made of wood. Sea Elves aren't made of water. M'aiq still wonders about High Elves" - M'aiq the Liar
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Vikestart✭✭✭Please don't.
It's good for the first year or so, but it will only hurt the game in the long run.2 -
Goldie✭✭✭✭✭Please don't.
It's good for the first year or so, but it will only hurt the game in the long run.
Opinions are like...
There will be enough new content hidden behind pay-walls that the game will do just fine. It definitely did NOT hurt STO."Wood Elves aren't made of wood. Sea Elves aren't made of water. M'aiq still wonders about High Elves" - M'aiq the Liar2 -
Vikestart✭✭✭The thing is, it's important that most of the revenue is made through players subscribing or buying new content, otherwise they'll have to make more money from selling obnoxious things in the cash shop.
A lifetime subscription deal will be good for the first year or so. But after that, ZOS would start making less and less money from new content since a lot of the players would have access to that for free by then.
What would happen is we would see more unwanted items in the cash shop. It would be inevitable since they have to get income from somewhere.
So NO; please do not offer a limetime subscription.3 -
Gidorick✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I would have bought this at launch. Not now.What ESO really needs is an Auction Horse.
That's right... Horse.
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Goldie✭✭✭✭✭The thing is, it's important that most of the revenue is made through players subscribing or buying new content, otherwise they'll have to make more money from selling obnoxious things in the cash shop.
A lifetime subscription deal will be good for the first year or so. But after that, ZOS would start making less and less money from new content since a lot of the players would have access to that for free by then.
What would happen is we would see more unwanted items in the cash shop. It would be inevitable since they have to get income from somewhere.
So NO; please do not offer a limetime subscription.
What makes you think that they will NOT already be selling "obnoxious things" in the "cash shop"?
Why do you think they are including a "cash shop"? To sell us tomatoes and oats?
LMAO"Wood Elves aren't made of wood. Sea Elves aren't made of water. M'aiq still wonders about High Elves" - M'aiq the Liar1 -
Vikestart✭✭✭The thing is, it's important that most of the revenue is made through players subscribing or buying new content, otherwise they'll have to make more money from selling obnoxious things in the cash shop.
A lifetime subscription deal will be good for the first year or so. But after that, ZOS would start making less and less money from new content since a lot of the players would have access to that for free by then.
What would happen is we would see more unwanted items in the cash shop. It would be inevitable since they have to get income from somewhere.
So NO; please do not offer a limetime subscription.
What makes you think that they will NOT already be selling "obnoxious things" in the "cash shop"?
Why do you think they are including a "cash shop"? To sell us tomatoes and oats?
LMAO
As per the live stream today, what we'll be seeing is cosmetic items and some potions that are not as good as player crafted ones, etc.
This will work because most of the income will still come from the subscriptions / players buying content DLCs.
However, if you introduce a lifetime subscription, the revenue generated from subscriptions and players buying content DLCs will decrease over the coming years.
Then they will have no choice but to step up the severity of the cash shop. This is why I'm against it.
If you can't be constructive in this discussion, I will not continue trying to convince you. Have a good day
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starkerealm✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭@ZOS, I have seen in the past, when other MMO games went F2P or B2P, that they offered a "lifetime" subscription option. ie. STO had a lifetime sub price of 299 USD.
Will players have this option with ESO?
If not, I submit the idea for a "lifetime" subscription option!
Star Trek's Lifetime sub was originally $240, and a pre-release incentive. It came back about six or eight months after launch at the $300 price point.
Usually these are things that get kicked around and offered while it's still a subscription game, and then survive after the transition into B2P or F2P because the developer/publisher can't really afford to kill them. Even so, Star Trek has done it's best to make my LTS meaningless over the years.1 -
Goldie✭✭✭✭✭starkerealm wrote: »@ZOS, I have seen in the past, when other MMO games went F2P or B2P, that they offered a "lifetime" subscription option. ie. STO had a lifetime sub price of 299 USD.
Will players have this option with ESO?
If not, I submit the idea for a "lifetime" subscription option!
Star Trek's Lifetime sub was originally $240, and a pre-release incentive. It came back about six or eight months after launch at the $300 price point.
Usually these are things that get kicked around and offered while it's still a subscription game, and then survive after the transition into B2P or F2P because the developer/publisher can't really afford to kill them. Even so, Star Trek has done it's best to make my LTS meaningless over the years.
I agree that STO has made the LTS become less meaningful over the years, but the game just turned 5, and I think they have done pretty good up to this point.
As far as ESO goes, I will pay whatever I have to, to get whatever content they hide behind the "pay-walls" period. I am a lifetime Elder Scrolls fan, and the choice to make me pay for future DLC and or other content is not an issue.
I see great things in the future for this game, and aside from all of the players QQ on the forums, I see it all as a good move.
"Wood Elves aren't made of wood. Sea Elves aren't made of water. M'aiq still wonders about High Elves" - M'aiq the Liar0 -
starkerealm✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭starkerealm wrote: »@ZOS, I have seen in the past, when other MMO games went F2P or B2P, that they offered a "lifetime" subscription option. ie. STO had a lifetime sub price of 299 USD.
Will players have this option with ESO?
If not, I submit the idea for a "lifetime" subscription option!
Star Trek's Lifetime sub was originally $240, and a pre-release incentive. It came back about six or eight months after launch at the $300 price point.
Usually these are things that get kicked around and offered while it's still a subscription game, and then survive after the transition into B2P or F2P because the developer/publisher can't really afford to kill them. Even so, Star Trek has done it's best to make my LTS meaningless over the years.
I agree that STO has made the LTS become less meaningful over the years, but the game just turned 5, and I think they have done pretty good up to this point.
As far as ESO goes, I will pay whatever I have to, to get whatever content they hide behind the "pay-walls" period. I am a lifetime Elder Scrolls fan, and the choice to make me pay for future DLC and or other content is not an issue.
I see great things in the future for this game, and aside from all of the players QQ on the forums, I see it all as a good move.
The whole thing with Tier 6 ships was just foul. I don't know if they added an in game system to get them, but... ugh. Then they granted many player's greatest, longest standing wish... in the worst way possible. Players had been begging for years for the ability to upgrade their lower tier ships to higher grades... Yeah, this was not what they meant.0 -
Naivefanboi✭✭✭✭starkerealm wrote: »@ZOS, I have seen in the past, when other MMO games went F2P or B2P, that they offered a "lifetime" subscription option. ie. STO had a lifetime sub price of 299 USD.
Will players have this option with ESO?
If not, I submit the idea for a "lifetime" subscription option!
Star Trek's Lifetime sub was originally $240, and a pre-release incentive. It came back about six or eight months after launch at the $300 price point.
Usually these are things that get kicked around and offered while it's still a subscription game, and then survive after the transition into B2P or F2P because the developer/publisher can't really afford to kill them. Even so, Star Trek has done it's best to make my LTS meaningless over the years.
I agree that STO has made the LTS become less meaningful over the years, but the game just turned 5, and I think they have done pretty good up to this point.
As far as ESO goes, I will pay whatever I have to, to get whatever content they hide behind the "pay-walls" period. I am a lifetime Elder Scrolls fan, and the choice to make me pay for future DLC and or other content is not an issue.
I see great things in the future for this game, and aside from all of the players QQ on the forums, I see it all as a good move.
lmfao wow perfect customer bet you loved failstiny from bung-vision huh?0 -
Goldie✭✭✭✭✭jjf42001_ESO wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »@ZOS, I have seen in the past, when other MMO games went F2P or B2P, that they offered a "lifetime" subscription option. ie. STO had a lifetime sub price of 299 USD.
Will players have this option with ESO?
If not, I submit the idea for a "lifetime" subscription option!
Star Trek's Lifetime sub was originally $240, and a pre-release incentive. It came back about six or eight months after launch at the $300 price point.
Usually these are things that get kicked around and offered while it's still a subscription game, and then survive after the transition into B2P or F2P because the developer/publisher can't really afford to kill them. Even so, Star Trek has done it's best to make my LTS meaningless over the years.
I agree that STO has made the LTS become less meaningful over the years, but the game just turned 5, and I think they have done pretty good up to this point.
As far as ESO goes, I will pay whatever I have to, to get whatever content they hide behind the "pay-walls" period. I am a lifetime Elder Scrolls fan, and the choice to make me pay for future DLC and or other content is not an issue.
I see great things in the future for this game, and aside from all of the players QQ on the forums, I see it all as a good move.
lmfao wow perfect customer bet you loved failstiny from bung-vision huh?
You must be one of the many QQ posters eh?
No idea what "failstiny" is.
Like I said, I am a lifetime Elder Scrolls fan, been playing since Arena was released 3 months after the official release date in 1994..."Wood Elves aren't made of wood. Sea Elves aren't made of water. M'aiq still wonders about High Elves" - M'aiq the Liar0 -
staticstorm✭✭jjf42001_ESO wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »@ZOS, I have seen in the past, when other MMO games went F2P or B2P, that they offered a "lifetime" subscription option. ie. STO had a lifetime sub price of 299 USD.
Will players have this option with ESO?
If not, I submit the idea for a "lifetime" subscription option!
Star Trek's Lifetime sub was originally $240, and a pre-release incentive. It came back about six or eight months after launch at the $300 price point.
Usually these are things that get kicked around and offered while it's still a subscription game, and then survive after the transition into B2P or F2P because the developer/publisher can't really afford to kill them. Even so, Star Trek has done it's best to make my LTS meaningless over the years.
I agree that STO has made the LTS become less meaningful over the years, but the game just turned 5, and I think they have done pretty good up to this point.
As far as ESO goes, I will pay whatever I have to, to get whatever content they hide behind the "pay-walls" period. I am a lifetime Elder Scrolls fan, and the choice to make me pay for future DLC and or other content is not an issue.
I see great things in the future for this game, and aside from all of the players QQ on the forums, I see it all as a good move.
lmfao wow perfect customer bet you loved failstiny from bung-vision huh?
You must be one of the many QQ posters eh?
No idea what "failstiny" is.
Like I said, I am a lifetime Elder Scrolls fan, been playing since Arena was released 3 months after the official release date in 1994...
I believe he trying to be funny destiny :P0 -
Goldie✭✭✭✭✭staticstorm wrote: »jjf42001_ESO wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »@ZOS, I have seen in the past, when other MMO games went F2P or B2P, that they offered a "lifetime" subscription option. ie. STO had a lifetime sub price of 299 USD.
Will players have this option with ESO?
If not, I submit the idea for a "lifetime" subscription option!
Star Trek's Lifetime sub was originally $240, and a pre-release incentive. It came back about six or eight months after launch at the $300 price point.
Usually these are things that get kicked around and offered while it's still a subscription game, and then survive after the transition into B2P or F2P because the developer/publisher can't really afford to kill them. Even so, Star Trek has done it's best to make my LTS meaningless over the years.
I agree that STO has made the LTS become less meaningful over the years, but the game just turned 5, and I think they have done pretty good up to this point.
As far as ESO goes, I will pay whatever I have to, to get whatever content they hide behind the "pay-walls" period. I am a lifetime Elder Scrolls fan, and the choice to make me pay for future DLC and or other content is not an issue.
I see great things in the future for this game, and aside from all of the players QQ on the forums, I see it all as a good move.
lmfao wow perfect customer bet you loved failstiny from bung-vision huh?
You must be one of the many QQ posters eh?
No idea what "failstiny" is.
Like I said, I am a lifetime Elder Scrolls fan, been playing since Arena was released 3 months after the official release date in 1994...
I believe he trying to be funny destiny :P
I am not familiar with the game no.
I still stand behind my statement that this is NOT a bad move for the game, regardless of what people compare me to. I am a fan, and I love the game, the upcoming changes just make me that much more excited to see what the future holds for ESO."Wood Elves aren't made of wood. Sea Elves aren't made of water. M'aiq still wonders about High Elves" - M'aiq the Liar0 -
Vikestart✭✭✭I still stand behind my statement that this is NOT a bad move for the game, regardless of what people compare me to.
Would you care to elaborate how you think this could contribute to a financial success for ESO?
For instance, you've not bothered to answer my arguments, you've just chosen to oversee them and choose to blatantly and ignorantly believe in this flawed idea.
The Secret World is my favourite MMO at the moment. I'm speaking from experience. The lifetime membership in that game has done the company and the game bad.. really bad. People are stacking points in the cash store and do not have things to spend them on anymore, they're getting their content for free now and yeah.... It's not just not good.
I don't think ESO should head down that road. Content DLCs/subscriptions must be the main source of income. If you offer lifetime membership, the main source of income in a few years will be the cash store, not because of greediness, but because ZOS won't have a choice then.
The most healthy option for the game is to continue to charge people for new content either constantly through ESO Plus or from people buying the DLCs separately.Edited by Vikestart on January 21, 2015 10:33PM2 -
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It most definitely hurt STO. Around the time those initial infusions of LTS's ended was around the time the game went F2P.
Sure plenty of people stupidly continue to buy LTS's but they hurt the actual Sub numbers from month to month originally.
This game company will be wise to avoid this sort of behavior. Its one of the reasons that lead Cryptic to believe they could sell their playerbase over priced crap and get away with it.
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