You are not entitled to a buff server.

Rylana · January 2015

As title.

Discuss.

Also, get used to it.

Araxleon · January 2015

I doubt it but I hope 1.6 removes these PVP buffs carrying over to PVE.
Though ur right... People feeling entitled is dumb.
Though I respect people fighting to keep there buffs.
I have been hanging out in chillrend and its intresting to see DC defend but DC was angry hell some were sad to lose chillrend even though they knew they will get it back people take things too serious... PVP is about having fun...Chillrend is full of a bunch of great DC and it leads to fun competive play but gets zergy if one goes too far...
These buff servers are taking fun outta the game.

-Araxleon, That guy on a scattershot.

riverdragon72 · January 2015

Oh *** off. Who are you or anyone else to decide what goes on where.

Rylana · January 2015

riverdragon72 wrote: »

Oh *** off. Who are you or anyone else to decide what goes on where.

Oh... you think its just me.

Oh dear...

In any case, youre not entitled to anything. For the last year people got this idea stuck in their head that the buff servers would always be there. Got some bad news for you, a storm is coming. Actually that storm has already arrived in some places. Buff servers are going to end forever.

Araxleon · January 2015

riverdragon72 wrote: »

Oh *** off. Who are you or anyone else to decide what goes on where.

It does say...discuss...you lose sorry bud.
Cant win em all eh.

Armitas · January 2015

Which is more likely, that ZOS intends for buff servers to exist or that buff server entitlement is a player created belief?

Xexpo · January 2015

Sorry but the hardcore pvpers and the uber-carebears have screwed this up for the rest of us.

The rest of us don't feel entitled. That's the carebears.
We enjoy fighting for the buffs. (although, admittedly, fighting for them more often than not can get tiresome, 3-4 nights a week is ok

)

Rest of us don't feel like it an abomination. That's the 'hardcore' pvp folks.
They get tired of fighting for the worthless carebears, I get it. And honestly I don't know how to solve your problem. I know you think it will get better by 'liberating' the buff servers. But, I honestly think you will be removing some of the emergent gameplay created by buff servers and therefore dooming pvp to a worse fate.

Also if pvp buffs are completely removed (and therefore removing all connection between pvp and pve) pvp will die.

Everyone is already sick of Thornblade, what exactly do you think is going to happen when everyone gives up on buff servers or the buffs are removed?
What part of that vision is 'good for pvp'?

The objectives in Cyrodiil have already grown old. Conquering and defending 'buff servers' brings more to the pvp table.
Look at the bigger picture...
buffs should stay until, at the very least, the imperial city is released

~~ IMO

Vilestride · January 2015

The Idea of the buff server is to encourage PvE'ers to have to defend them. As posted above me (and this is coming from a PvP player perspective. Once said PvE'ers get sick of having to PvP for them every night, they will just stop PvPing period. same goes if they remove the connection Of PvP to PvE.

On top of this, the action going on in chillrend and other
"buff servers" is for the majority just high end PvP guilds going in and smashing through countless enemy PvE players. I partook in alot of the old DC guilds smashing haderus, but it was just pathetic and got boring Farming AP on AD PvE players who had no clue and just wanted their buff back to head back into PvE.

Apart from lag issues ( Which I will admit to never experiencing due to being Australian and only really playing in off peak times) Thornblade still remains the only competitive PvP campaign in my eyes. The best guilds from each faction fight (for the most part) here, and it is by far the hardest fought campaign. Why would I want to take my guild to any campaign other than the one hardest to win and the most constant action.

Attack chillrend all you want, Doesn't bother me, I don't use the buff server, but IMO it is not going to do anything particularly positive for PvP. all you need is enough active PvP servers to host the active PvP players when it gets pop locked on a particular server. At the current time I'd say 2 PvP based campaigns is more than enough for the small and ever declining ESO PvP population.

Spreading out over campaigns won't save PvP, making it more interesting will: More objective - more terrain use and points of interest to be at - More incentive to be in different areas of the map and last of all but most importantly, Better management of lag and latency issues.

ThyIronFist · January 2015

There shouldn't be any "buff servers", a PvP campaign is a PvP campaign, not a buff campaign.

For the past week the pact has been crashing the yellow buff campaign, EU haderus, and it's been great so far, all the angry PvE milkdrinkers are dying like flies.

Seriously though, if you want your buffs, come and fight for them. Come and earn them.

Minnesinger · January 2015

A lot has changed since the buff servers were established. At that time these places were empty of enemies and any attempt at a resource or keep was jealousy crushed. Nowadays, more guilds are participating in all servers and none of them is a pure "Buff Server". This fast moving "revolution" has actually worked miracles.

I see no reason to remove these buffs if it gives players a reason to play pvp. In the end, everyone benefits of more populated servers.

Lord_Draevan · January 2015

It was amusing this weekend on the NA server when we EP lost Azura's, and everyone in zone was whining "Awww, we don't have a buff server anymore? That's not fair!"
I ask "Well why don't you go into PvP and take it back?"
To which they answer "But I don't wanna PvP!" or "I never PvP, I just want the buffs!"

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

A sad thing to see...

phreatophile · January 2015

I hope you get your wish. If they do away with the buffs, PVErs can go back to their natural state of not giving a crap about what goes on in PvP.

Nijjion · January 2015

In a perfect world, there would be only 1 PvP campaign but then at prime time it would be quite overpopulated.

That would make it quite competitive to fight over 1 set of buffs.

Roechacca · January 2015

Chillrend loose it's buffs ? What time was this ? Some of us sleep .

RoamingRiverElk · January 2015

Nijjion wrote: »

In a perfect world, there would be only 1 PvP campaign but then at prime time it would be quite overpopulated.

That would make it quite competitive to fight over 1 set of buffs.

In my perfect world, there are many campaigns to choose from so that everyone gets to have the kind of PvP they like.

Cody · January 2015

Take them out of PvE. Should have been done months ago in my opinion.

Darklord_Tiberius · January 2015

What would solve the "Buff Server" problem are buffs that are a progressive build up to be stronger over time rather than a flat given buff. Anyone who has ever played Guild Wars 2 or Warhammer Online will understand what I am talking about.

Home Keep bonus awards a flat 5% increase to gold, experience, AP etc. Ok, that is fine and all; however, when a group of players go to take one of these keeps on a buff server, usually within a half an hour it gets zerged back by whatever faction are the bufferees. It is hard to get anything done on whoevers buff server it is because of the fact people are constantly getting "Zerg'd" by the overwhelming majority of a single faction.

I do not think people should be awarded anything just for taking 100+ people around a map and capturing anything and everything because they have sheer numbers. I purpose two solutions:

1. When a faction is drastically outnumbered, ie this weekend, Haderus AD population was POP Locked, EP was Medium and DC was mostly Low-but medium during late night prime time for a few hours. Either make our guards twice or three times as strong or give us three to four times as many guards to help us defend our keep. Simple solution to counter how people zerg through a map.

2. Make the buff system a progressive system that starts out with lower versions of a buff and the longer you hold certain keeps and gain points the buffs will "upgrade" as the campaign goes on. This way people actually have to work to have buffs rather than calling upon the power of the zerg and running over anything in their path.

Armitas · January 2015

If every faction not on Thornblade went to the campaign that isn't their own buff server we could put a wipe on all 3 buff servers. Problem is people leave Thornblade and go to their own buff server because they don't want an uphill fight. They expect the other guy to do all the work. Those that leave thornblade for their own buff server do nothing but further entrench buff servers.

Darklord_Tiberius · January 2015

Armitas wrote: »

If every faction not on Thornblade went to the campaign that isn't their own buff server we could put a wipe on all 3 buff servers. Problem is people leave Thornblade and go to their own buff server because they don't want an uphill fight. They expect the other guy to do all the work. Those that leave thornblade for their own buff server do nothing but further entrench buff servers.

Sad thing is people honestly believe Thornblade is the only "Real PvP", which I find hysterical. It was fun in the beginning, but as time went on performance dropped and with the drop of server populations it was no longer fun. We started PvPing on Haderus out of curiosity and heard of a few other guilds were migrating to that server. The PvP on Haderus is fun, challenging being outnumbered so much, but fun.

Last night was clear that even with a few organized EP/DC guilds much could be accomplished. Both EP and DC were medium pop and AD were high and at one point pop locked. AD lost 2 captured scrolls, 11 keeps, 3 outposts and emperor. Got on this morning and they had most of all that back and a new Emperor. The problem right now is neither Pact or Covenant have enough stable population to counter the AD PvDoor Zerg during the early morning. We need more people on EP and DC, maybe one more guild on each side and I think Haderus would actually be well off. Now trying to get those guilds to come over is another story...

Huntler · January 2015

Darklord_Tiberius wrote: »

Armitas wrote: »

If every faction not on Thornblade went to the campaign that isn't their own buff server we could put a wipe on all 3 buff servers. Problem is people leave Thornblade and go to their own buff server because they don't want an uphill fight. They expect the other guy to do all the work. Those that leave thornblade for their own buff server do nothing but further entrench buff servers.

Sad thing is people honestly believe Thornblade is the only "Real PvP", which I find hysterical. It was fun in the beginning, but as time went on performance dropped and with the drop of server populations it was no longer fun. We started PvPing on Haderus out of curiosity and heard of a few other guilds were migrating to that server. The PvP on Haderus is fun, challenging being outnumbered so much, but fun.

Last night was clear that even with a few organized EP/DC guilds much could be accomplished. Both EP and DC were medium pop and AD were high and at one point pop locked. AD lost 2 captured scrolls, 11 keeps, 3 outposts and emperor. Got on this morning and they had most of all that back and a new Emperor. The problem right now is neither Pact or Covenant have enough stable population to counter the AD PvDoor Zerg during the early morning. We need more people on EP and DC, maybe one more guild on each side and I think Haderus would actually be well off. Now trying to get those guilds to come over is another story...

It depends what you consider "real PvP." You can have real PvP on other servers, I think when someone says real PvP they mean thornblade is where the highest competition is on the closest spectrum of an even playing field you can get. PvPing on buff servers can be a lot of fun especially when the hoarde of PvErs come to stop you, but to pat yourself on the back about killing them might be a little bit overkill. Killing PvP groups and killing PvE groups trying to keep their buffs are very different matters entirely. PvP on any servers is PvP, but I can say for sure that the level (difficulty) between them is quite large (having PvPed on both types many a time).

Roechacca · January 2015

There are no buff servers just servers . If opposing factions refuse to participate on a server that's on them . Moving on .

xMovingTarget · January 2015

Either everybody has it or nobody. I hate the concept anyway. Anything stat related shouldnt carry over to PvE.
The buffs for more XP and more Gold are fine

hammayolettuce · January 2015

What even are buffs?

Darklord_Tiberius · January 2015

Huntler wrote: »

Darklord_Tiberius wrote: »

Armitas wrote: »

If every faction not on Thornblade went to the campaign that isn't their own buff server we could put a wipe on all 3 buff servers. Problem is people leave Thornblade and go to their own buff server because they don't want an uphill fight. They expect the other guy to do all the work. Those that leave thornblade for their own buff server do nothing but further entrench buff servers.

Sad thing is people honestly believe Thornblade is the only "Real PvP", which I find hysterical. It was fun in the beginning, but as time went on performance dropped and with the drop of server populations it was no longer fun. We started PvPing on Haderus out of curiosity and heard of a few other guilds were migrating to that server. The PvP on Haderus is fun, challenging being outnumbered so much, but fun.

Last night was clear that even with a few organized EP/DC guilds much could be accomplished. Both EP and DC were medium pop and AD were high and at one point pop locked. AD lost 2 captured scrolls, 11 keeps, 3 outposts and emperor. Got on this morning and they had most of all that back and a new Emperor. The problem right now is neither Pact or Covenant have enough stable population to counter the AD PvDoor Zerg during the early morning. We need more people on EP and DC, maybe one more guild on each side and I think Haderus would actually be well off. Now trying to get those guilds to come over is another story...

It depends what you consider "real PvP." You can have real PvP on other servers, I think when someone says real PvP they mean thornblade is where the highest competition is on the closest spectrum of an even playing field you can get. PvPing on buff servers can be a lot of fun especially when the hoarde of PvErs come to stop you, but to pat yourself on the back about killing them might be a little bit overkill. Killing PvP groups and killing PvE groups trying to keep their buffs are very different matters entirely. PvP on any servers is PvP, but I can say for sure that the level (difficulty) between them is quite large (having PvPed on both types many a time).

That is a matter of perspective and your opinion. I have PvPed on both many a time too bud. You obviously have an elitist mindset about Thornblade being the "real PvP" server (aka "difficulty") thank you for making my point. PR has had its share of killing every major PvP guild on both DC and AD, so do not assume like you "know" more than us. It is all relative, 20 good players is comparable to 60+ bad players or PvEers as you like to say. In the end its all the same difficulty, if you think otherwise you have never played against the odds like I have since Wabbajack Cycle one. And also, I could easily make a list of at least 40 players AD and DC above PvP rank 25 that I have faced in the past week on Haderus.

badmojo · January 2015

I'm entitled to the buffs I'm helping secure, that is all.

Huntler · January 2015

Darklord_Tiberius wrote: »

Huntler wrote: »

Darklord_Tiberius wrote: »

Armitas wrote: »

If every faction not on Thornblade went to the campaign that isn't their own buff server we could put a wipe on all 3 buff servers. Problem is people leave Thornblade and go to their own buff server because they don't want an uphill fight. They expect the other guy to do all the work. Those that leave thornblade for their own buff server do nothing but further entrench buff servers.

Sad thing is people honestly believe Thornblade is the only "Real PvP", which I find hysterical. It was fun in the beginning, but as time went on performance dropped and with the drop of server populations it was no longer fun. We started PvPing on Haderus out of curiosity and heard of a few other guilds were migrating to that server. The PvP on Haderus is fun, challenging being outnumbered so much, but fun.

Last night was clear that even with a few organized EP/DC guilds much could be accomplished. Both EP and DC were medium pop and AD were high and at one point pop locked. AD lost 2 captured scrolls, 11 keeps, 3 outposts and emperor. Got on this morning and they had most of all that back and a new Emperor. The problem right now is neither Pact or Covenant have enough stable population to counter the AD PvDoor Zerg during the early morning. We need more people on EP and DC, maybe one more guild on each side and I think Haderus would actually be well off. Now trying to get those guilds to come over is another story...

It depends what you consider "real PvP." You can have real PvP on other servers, I think when someone says real PvP they mean thornblade is where the highest competition is on the closest spectrum of an even playing field you can get. PvPing on buff servers can be a lot of fun especially when the hoarde of PvErs come to stop you, but to pat yourself on the back about killing them might be a little bit overkill. Killing PvP groups and killing PvE groups trying to keep their buffs are very different matters entirely. PvP on any servers is PvP, but I can say for sure that the level (difficulty) between them is quite large (having PvPed on both types many a time).

That is a matter of perspective and your opinion. I have PvPed on both many a time too bud. You obviously have an elitist mindset about Thornblade being the "real PvP" server (aka "difficulty") thank you for making my point. PR has had its share of killing every major PvP guild on both DC and AD, so do not assume like you "know" more than us. It is all relative, 20 good players is comparable to 60+ bad players or PvEers as you like to say. In the end its all the same difficulty, if you think otherwise you have never played against the odds like I have since Wabbajack Cycle one. And also, I could easily make a list of at least 40 players AD and DC above PvP rank 25 that I have faced in the past week on Haderus.

Why did you get defensive? Coupled with how pretentious your post is... You'll notice I said you can have "real" PvP anywhere.

Reread my post, no where did I claim jack about your guild, you, or anything so why make it about you? If you think PvPing on a buff server is anywhere near the same level of PvP as thornblade you're kidding yourself to make your ego complex feel better.

Its not elitist to say that thornblade plays at the highest level and the most even playing field thus making it the most difficult. Thornblade caps out population wise at very similar times (more often than buff servers at least), its capped out periods are longer. Most of the PvP orientated guilds home there (this isn't elitist, its just fack, organized guilds run there). It is the most competitive as well by the amount of action you see, keeps, emperors, etc. are constantly in flux because of constant back and forth. Real/Competetive PvP can happen anywhere, but on thornblade it is most prevalent simple as that.

Why you made this about you or about your guild which honestly I don't know, but claiming something about being here since Wabbajack as if that is some sort of accomplishment that no one else could possibly understand or have been there too just reeks of compensation issues. I don't care about your ego, leave it out.

Bogdan_Kobzar · January 2015

I so much enjoy the hypocrisy.
Those 'hard core' PvPers,(bored with their original EP toon that switched to AD toons in my opinion) claiming the evils of buff servers are the ones now reaping ALL the benefits. And it is a VERY well organized elitist group of players. Many a time in the alliance war with an EP toon, I participated in a bit of combat action. Each time we had gotten to the point to enter the breach on the inner keep wall we were met with at least a dozen former emperors.
Within any system, there is always a way to capitalize on it.
For a time there was a status quo, campaign x was faction's y buff server. The boat got tipped, now, those new to the game with beginner alliance war toons all fell overboard and drowned.
The only solution is with the game designers to re-engineer the system. Which of course will be circumvented.
How to end farming of the 'new' players? Put in the same restrictions that we see in the rest of Tamriel, if the character is higher level and kill's a lower level (within a level range), there is no reward. So, the Vet 14's with top Alliance War Ranking that are farming for score climbing would be forced to engage with like level opponents. Giving us new folks the opportunity to learn and in time becoming a worthy opponent, instead of getting instantly annihilated without even being able to defend or counter attack.
looking forward to the end of this silliness.

Huntler · January 2015

Bogdan_Kobzar wrote: »

I so much enjoy the hypocrisy.
Those 'hard core' PvPers,(bored with their original EP toon that switched to AD toons in my opinion) claiming the evils of buff servers are the ones now reaping ALL the benefits. And it is a VERY well organized elitist group of players. Many a time in the alliance war with an EP toon, I participated in a bit of combat action. Each time we had gotten to the point to enter the breach on the inner keep wall we were met with at least a dozen former emperors.

You don't benefit from buff servers in PvP unless you're on that buff server so I don't get what you meant by this...

Cody · January 2015

Huntler wrote: »

Darklord_Tiberius wrote: »

Armitas wrote: »

If every faction not on Thornblade went to the campaign that isn't their own buff server we could put a wipe on all 3 buff servers. Problem is people leave Thornblade and go to their own buff server because they don't want an uphill fight. They expect the other guy to do all the work. Those that leave thornblade for their own buff server do nothing but further entrench buff servers.

Sad thing is people honestly believe Thornblade is the only "Real PvP", which I find hysterical. It was fun in the beginning, but as time went on performance dropped and with the drop of server populations it was no longer fun. We started PvPing on Haderus out of curiosity and heard of a few other guilds were migrating to that server. The PvP on Haderus is fun, challenging being outnumbered so much, but fun.

Last night was clear that even with a few organized EP/DC guilds much could be accomplished. Both EP and DC were medium pop and AD were high and at one point pop locked. AD lost 2 captured scrolls, 11 keeps, 3 outposts and emperor. Got on this morning and they had most of all that back and a new Emperor. The problem right now is neither Pact or Covenant have enough stable population to counter the AD PvDoor Zerg during the early morning. We need more people on EP and DC, maybe one more guild on each side and I think Haderus would actually be well off. Now trying to get those guilds to come over is another story...

It depends what you consider "real PvP." You can have real PvP on other servers, I think when someone says real PvP they mean thornblade is where the highest competition is on the closest spectrum of an even playing field you can get. PvPing on buff servers can be a lot of fun especially when the hoarde of PvErs come to stop you, but to pat yourself on the back about killing them might be a little bit overkill. Killing PvP groups and killing PvE groups trying to keep their buffs are very different matters entirely. PvP on any servers is PvP, but I can say for sure that the level (difficulty) between them is quite large (having PvPed on both types many a time).

Iv played thornblade. Its all zerg blobbing. The players on thornblade are no more difficult than the dedicated PvP haderus players.(by that I mean excluding the ones who only come when their buffs get threatened) thornblade just has a higher population to do it with.

however this is not the topic of the thread, so moving on

Gankimus · January 2015

Gankimus has said many times that he thinks buff servers are icky. They cause many hard feelings and sad faces, also much angry shouting, chest beating, arm waving and energetic pointing. Gank's head hurts from all the noise, so this one is on a crusade to disrupt all buff servers. Gank admits he is new to the cause and many of his friends were not so happy when Haderus became a target for EP and DC debuffers, but now this one sees the wisdom in debuffing.

Gank and his wandering horde of wistful warriors have been drifting around bashing things. Most of the last few weeks in Azura's Star but some in Haderus and Chillrend. This one is afraid that Azura's is almost broken and may be headed in the direction of yellow buffiness, as strange as that sounds. Every time Gank looks in on Haderus it is mostly yellow, which is in no way an insult to the skilled warriors of EP and DC, maybe Gank is looking at the wrong times. Could someone please yell "Gankimus!" really loud in game next time EP and DC are going to push Haderus? Gank would like to play too.

Soon, this one will have to spend more time in Chillrend, which will be exciting because the many DC on Chill are well organized and very prickly touchy about their cold blue server. The fights start as soon as Gank logs in and sneezes, so every keep takedown is like pulling teeth out of an angry Troll.

Cody · January 2015

roechacca wrote: »

There are no buff servers just servers . If opposing factions refuse to participate on a server that's on them . Moving on .

you should go play on a buff server. there ARE opposing factions: its just that the "lead faction" always PvDoors everything when the opposing factions get everything back, and the lead faction also dominates due to sheer numbers.