onlinegamer1 wrote: »

Varicite wrote: »

"I want to continue block-casting and not be bothered w/ having to cancel a light attack once every 8 seconds."

At least try to be a bit more subtle in your agenda next time.

So, you admit you can't address the issues presented in the OP.

Got it. Thanks for the thread bump.

There aren't any issues to address, this is just the usual forum Chicken Little doomsaying that occurs when things that people like are changed. Anybody w/ even a thread of sense knows that won't be the case.

Heck, you can simulate exactly what it would be like in-game right now, and it's honestly not that hard to animation-cancel 1 light attack, especially since you're just going back into a block after it.

lol, "tanks won't be able to tank, everyone in PvP will die instantly, etc etc". Instead of trying to impress this laughable doom-and-gloom situation that you've concocted, why not simply tell it like it is?

You like block-casting, you enjoy the mechanic, and you don't want it to be changed?

Or, if there is an issue here at all, I suppose I could simply quote your stance on people who dislike block-casting in general instead:

onlinegamer1 wrote: »

This is 100% a L2P issue.

onlinegamer1 wrote: »

pronkg wrote: »

You mean it doesn't fit your current style of gameplay

No, I mean it doesn't address the flaws in the OP. Since, you know, that's what I wrote.

he´s obviously not knowing what is allready announced so discussing with him is like discussing with a 6 month old bearly able to speak baby about rocket science...

onlinegamer1 wrote: »

Ultimate will change so that a Light or Heavy attack will give you a buff for 8 seconds which grants you a flat amount of Ultimate per second. Also, healing someone with this buff who has at least attacked recently will grant the healer the same buff.

Flaw:
1. PvP: Sieging in PvP will no longer occur. Why? Because using Siege is not a light or heavy attack, and therefore will not generate any Ultimate. Players will "let the other guys siege, I will stand near the wall and fire off light/heavy attacks to build Ultimate so that when the wall falls, I can rush in (or defend the breach) with my Ultimate ready."
2. PvE: Tanks or other agro-generating players can no longer effectively serve in their role if they have to weave in attacks that involve dropping Block. It will lead to more wipes and high-end content becoming harder for all but the really elite players to complete.

Fixes:
PvP: Change the buff from being granted only by Light/Heavy attacks, to instead being granted on "any attack which damages a player or structure."

This means Ultimate will NOT be generated by buffs, random heals (ones that don't qualify to obtain the buff via healing), random AoEs or Siege in an empty field against no one, or by killing Monsters or NPC Guards (<-- this is big). You only gain ultimate if any attack (which includes firing a Siege or Oil) damages a PLAYER or Structure. And of course, change the healing qualification to "heal someone with that buff who recently damaged a player or structure."

This allows players to continue to PvP naturally, either dealing damage, sieging or healing without having to arbitrarily hop off siege weapons to run moronically up to the wall to light/heavy attack someone, then run back to their siege, etc. I.E. it will not disrupt normal PvP gameplay.

PvE: Change the buff from being granted only by Light/Heavy attacks, to instead being granted on "any attack which damages a monster."

This means Ultimate will NOT be generated by buffs, random heals (ones that don't qualify to obtain the buff via healing), or random AoEs against nothing. You only gain ultimate if any attack damages a Monster. And of course, change the healing qualification to "heal someone with that buff who recently damaged a monster."

This means tanks can continue to use damaging AoEs and other taunting attacks while blocking to stay alive (since they are gaining the agro and getting pounded.)

I was under the assumption any action taken towards combat (any form of damage to an enemy or healing to an ally engaging an enemy) would reward the ultimate generation buff. If that's not the case then the suggestions by the OP are a step in the right direction, imo.

onlinegamer1 wrote: »

badmojo0777b14_ESO wrote: »

1 if im using a siege engine, generating ultimate is the last of my worries
2 no good tank holds block down constantly
3 its an mmo, always evolving, lets see how it works before complaining, if it doesn't work, by all means, ill bring the cheese

As I said earlier, some of us are super smart and experienced in software design, and we don't have to "Wait" to know this is a bad design.

I personally got ZoS to change the 30 CP reward to 70 CPs with another thread of mine. I intend to influence them again with this one.

What makes it a "bad" design, though? Nothing that you listed in your OP is an actual issue.

It just changes Ultimate generation into an extremely slight risk vs reward situation, instead of simply guaranteed whenever you are in combat.

I don't see that as a flaw, just different than the current system which you are obviously used to and don't want to see go.

Things you dislike =/= bad design.

onlinegamer1 wrote: »

The OP clearly states why the design is bad. I can summarize again for you:

Okay, for starters, continually touting "look at the OP" doesn't tell me anything, as I have just as clearly disagreed w/ your assessment of the situation in the OP.

So let's break this down a bit (warning, this is prolly gonna be long):

onlinegamer1 wrote: »

PvP: It makes sieging (both offense and defense) an unliked job, because you aren't generating any ultimate, and encourages players to do stupid things like get off siege, run to the wall, light attack, then go back to their siege.

Players who are using siege weapons in PvP are generally doing it for reasons outside of Ultimate gain. Most of the time, the benefit of well-utilized siege equipment far outweighs the temporary loss of Ult gain.

Are there selfish players who would rather fight on foot than use siege? Of course, they already exist currently on live. On the flipside, there are also players currently on live (like me) who are fielding siege to help their faction in battle and will continue to do so.

Post Ult gain changes, both types of players will still continue to exist. This seems like a wash.

In any case, I imagine for most players, they'll just build siege equipment after they've already gained Ult and the problem you've described is now entirely circumvented.

onlinegamer1 wrote: »

PvE: There are times in an 8 second period where a tank has to keep block up or die. Even as long as 10-15 seconds straight. This means they are losing the Ultimate Buff for a bit just to do their job. The tank is the one player you WANT to be dropping ultimates. So, again, this just makes no sense and makes things arbitrarily harder.

Have you tanked in PvE often? What is your Ult gain currently like as a tank? Are you generating more or less than the proposed change on live?

I ask these questions because, in my limited experience, Ult gain is currently an abysmal affair and the 1.6 changes to the system sound absolutely awesome to me. I don't hold my block button constantly, I generally only try to block the things that are necessary, or dodge-roll out of heavy hits.

Post 1.6, even if I let the Ult gain buff drop off for 1-3 seconds (unlikely, but there are times that you need to block), I will STILL be receiving a great deal MORE Ult than I currently do on live in the same time period.

That's not even taking into account the fact that as you learn fights and mechanics, you will be able to time your cancelled light attacks to land when it's safer to do so, adding not only more Ult than I get on live currently, but also adding a much-needed skill component to generating Ult as a tank.

This seems like a win.

onlinegamer1 wrote: »

For either PvP or PvE: the intent of the change is to prevent Ultimate Gain spikes thru wierd combinations of abilities and gear, resulting in overuse of ultimates. The buff idea is that ultimate gain is normalized, not spikey. So long as the implementation achieves that goal, then ZoS has no reason to put forth a design which has flaws (light/heavy attacks only) vs one that does not have them (any damaging attack).

What you've described is only a single aspect of why this change is being implemented.

I touched on another aspect above, which is the fact that tanks generate Ult extremely slowly compared to the other roles, and as you have freely stated: "The tank is the one player you WANT to be dropping ultimates." The change benefits tanks FAR more than it hinders them.

Another aspect is simply to bring builds that don't rely quite so heavily on crit and AoE + heals + DoTs into increased viability by both curbing spike Ult gain (as you mentioned) and increasing Ult gain for builds that did not rely increasingly on the current Ult gain gimmicks.

Increased build variety is also a win, imo.

So, sorry for the novel, but I firmly disagree w/ the points you've put forward in your OP and your other posts in this thread (which mostly just said to re-read the OP that I already disagreed w/, lol), and you're really not bringing much else to the table than repeating the same misguided logic like a broken record.

If you've got more than what the OP says, I'd love to hear it, because so far it doesn't really seem like you've got anything more than a thinly veiled argument to keep block-casting just the way it is right now on live.