Just ZOS silence is hurting the game

pronkg · January 2015

Its like asking a politician if there is gonna be a world war 3. They cant say no but They cant say Yes either. Just no comment. Because they simply don't know yet. And as a leading company or figure it's never smart to say you don't have control over it. So sometimes it's best to say nothing.

RazielSR · January 2015

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

RazielSR wrote: »

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

To my knowledge, no one has left because they think the game might end up going free-to-play. Mainly because no one with half a brain thinks that.

And as always, didn't you quit? Every time I see you post threads like this, it comes months after your promise to leave the game entirely.

Why are u always like that? You always follow my posts like a maniac. If you read my posts as you say. You would now why I left AND WHY I WAS BACK AND WHAT I DID WHEN I WAS BACK.

And where am i saying im gonna leave? Please tell me where?
Are u one of those living 4 months ago?
Your post is just stupid and you just want to bash other opinions. In fact your whole life is here in the forum. Get a life,you have more posts in this forum than neurons.

As you may have realized, I don't follow your posts. I simply notice when you post a new topic that the vast majority of people disagree with, and I think, "Hey, didn't that guy quit forever ago?"

ZO has taken the mature route here and simply ignored pointless threads. I wish they'd just delete them, but it would only give rise to more pointless threads.

You do read my posts,like a maniac. Since when I said here what I didnt like about the game. Thing is that you extract just what you want because you have a personal crusade against me.
You have no life and you are always bashing users that does not think like you. And if you say the vast majority disagree with me...in fact you dont have a life outside this forum. Log to the game and see the conversations in guilds and zones.

Flynch · January 2015

Well that escalated quickly.

TheBull · January 2015

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

To my knowledge, no one has left because they think the game might end up going free-to-play. Mainly because no one with half a brain thinks that.

And as always, didn't you quit? Every time I see you post threads like this, it comes months after your promise to leave the game entirely.

What does his decision to quit have to do with the topic? Im a bit confused as he has to be subbing to be able to speak on here. So its unclear where youre leading with this..

I think he's saying OP is an emo drama queen. I could be wrong, but I think that's where he is going.

Psychobunni · January 2015

RazielSR wrote: »

Not the 6 month subscription removal,nor the australian stores thing,not a random user posting problematic topics,not a youtube video explaining why ESO is going f2P.

JUST ZOS SILENCE.

They are even letting people create topics that are against forum rules. They are simply looking at this rumours like if it was nothing? I find this really disrespectful. And I can't understand how a serious company is letting talk in their own forum about something that hurts the game.

Would you let people say that your house is for sale and let them put for sale stickers if it was not true?

This is a complete mad situation. Easy to solve,if ZOS wants to.

I agree they should clean up the forum and shut down multiple "sky is falling" topics, even if they don't directly answer to them. They know little websites are following forum posts for their "news".

However (player) who has been here playing is not going to unsub on rumors alone....but (new player) might sub because they think they will only have to pay a month or two based upon "news" of F2P, but F2P never happens and they either unsub (and ZOS got money from free rumor mills) or better yet, they decide they really like the game and sub longer anyway (again ZOS wins from free rumor mills)

It really is a win/win for ZOS. I still wish they would clean forum tho...

Shinra · January 2015

RazielSR wrote: »

Your post is just stupid and you just want to bash other opinions. In fact your whole life is here in the forum. Get a life,you have more posts in this forum than neurons.

RazielSR wrote: »

You do read my posts,like a maniac. Since when I said here what I didnt like about the game. Thing is that you extract just what you want because you have a personal crusade against me.
You have no life and you are always bashing users that does not think like you. And if you say the vast majority disagree with me...in fact you dont have a life outside this forum. Log to the game and see the conversations in guilds and zones.

I'll give you a personal attack rating of 4500 points. You are amazing.

RazielSR · January 2015

TheBull wrote: »

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

To my knowledge, no one has left because they think the game might end up going free-to-play. Mainly because no one with half a brain thinks that.

And as always, didn't you quit? Every time I see you post threads like this, it comes months after your promise to leave the game entirely.

What does his decision to quit have to do with the topic? Im a bit confused as he has to be subbing to be able to speak on here. So its unclear where youre leading with this..

I think he's saying OP is an emo drama queen. I could be wrong, but I think that's where he is going.

It is that I left the game LIKE A LOT of people. Then I was back and I even gave a key for free. I was back because I liked the idea of champion and justice system. Now Im jusr scared about the game going f2P and I would like this whole thing to stop. This man as you can see is hunting me like a pseudo hircine and always saying"hey hey didnt you leave? Blablablaaa"

RazielSR · January 2015

Shinra wrote: »

RazielSR wrote: »

Your post is just stupid and you just want to bash other opinions. In fact your whole life is here in the forum. Get a life,you have more posts in this forum than neurons.

RazielSR wrote: »

You do read my posts,like a maniac. Since when I said here what I didnt like about the game. Thing is that you extract just what you want because you have a personal crusade against me.
You have no life and you are always bashing users that does not think like you. And if you say the vast majority disagree with me...in fact you dont have a life outside this forum. Log to the game and see the conversations in guilds and zones.

I'll give you a personal attack rating of 4500 points. You are amazing.

Ive been always a maniac. Since the very beginning. It was all because of the ayleids. Thanks for the buff!

Elsonso · January 2015

I have said in another thread that there will be a statement on this, maybe this week, but more likely later this month.

Bethesda Softworks and ZOS have a policy on not commenting on rumors or speculation and they are obviously sticking to it.

People are upset because they are sticking to this policy when, obviously, this is a special case and it needs to be addressed. That is why I think they will stick to the policy and they will address it at the same time.

It is important to note that they will only confirm the rumor, I doubt that they will not explicitly deny it. If they confirm the rumor, all they are waiting for is whatever is holding up the announcement. A process or procedure that is not complete or a situation that has to be resolved before they go public. No harm comes from the delay and we are simply being impatient. The confirmation will come in a formal announcement that would have been released no matter what, rumor or not.

If the rumor is not true, they are on more tricky ground. The best we will see is probably a statement that subscriptions are required, in the context of new information, like the console release. If someone like Pete Hines gets into a Q&A with the press, he may very well restate those quotes about subscriptions that have been floating around. They won't say that are not going F2P. They will simply repeat what they already said. It is possible they may just repeat the "no comment" phrase since it is already obvious that they are charging subscriptions.

Why not make a statement? After all, this is important. That is true and there are brand issues to consider. If the rumor is true, there is no reason to confirm it in advance of the official announcement. However, if they deny the rumor now, then they will not be able to stand on Policy next time. Any lack of statement from them in the future will be seen as confirmation. All rumors will be automatically true and they will have to issue denials for each of them that grows legs. This will be a weakness that can be exploited for a number of reasons.

No matter how they directly deny the rumor, it comes back to haunt them.

I am pretty sure that, behind locked doors, they want to talk about this and settle the issue. They either wish it would go away or are anxious to announce their new plans.

No news is good news, if you want ESO to remain a subscription game.

TequilaFire · January 2015

pronkg wrote: »

Its like asking a politician if there is gonna be a world war 3. They cant say no but They cant say Yes either. Just no comment. Because they simply don't know yet. And as a leading company or figure it's never smart to say you don't have control over it. So sometimes it's best to say nothing.

This, it is that old saying "never say never", because if they say they will never
go f2p and then for whatever reason are forced to do so, we would be all over
them bashing them for lying.

Hence, the previous statement that they have no "plans" of going f2p.

skillastat · January 2015

I agree that this is a real issue to the success of the game as one potential new customer will just pass his/her way around ESO and wait for it to go free.

Tandor · January 2015

fromtesonlineb16_ESO wrote: »

Brasseurfb16_ESO wrote: »

RazielSR wrote: »

Brasseurfb16_ESO wrote: »

Bah, the removal of the 6 month subscribtion is probably a new strategy used to make free publicity. In about 2 or 3 months, that option will probably come back and they'll send a note saying they listened to our valuable feedback and thus are adding back the option into the subscribtion models.

I see it strange,but it could be...Well,but what about stopping the f2p thing? Just saying NO,ITS NOT GOING F2P.
I dont see a good strategy the way it is now.

Because if you give an answer like "No, the game isn't going F2P" most people stop speculating and you stop the communication stream going on the internet.

History of several MMOs shows you're just plain wrong.

As does the history of this game. ZOS have already said in the past that they had no intention of going F2P, but here we still are with every slight change in the game leading to wild and unfounded speculation about it going F2P.

By commenting on these posts ZOS cannot stop the speculation, they can only fuel it. Remaining silent unless and until they're in a position to make a formal announcement of a change in their previous position is the best way for them to deal with it. As for the players, the best way for us to deal with it is to ignore the speculation and carry on playing the game unless and until something specific and real happens that changes our enjoyment of it.

Tandor · January 2015

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

To my knowledge, no one has left because they think the game might end up going free-to-play. Mainly because no one with half a brain thinks that.

And as always, didn't you quit? Every time I see you post threads like this, it comes months after your promise to leave the game entirely.

What does his decision to quit have to do with the topic? Im a bit confused as he has to be subbing to be able to speak on here. So its unclear where youre leading with this..

Hasn't it been pretty well established that the removal of posting rights on the forums once your sub has expired isn't working as intended?

RazielSR · January 2015

Tandor wrote: »

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

To my knowledge, no one has left because they think the game might end up going free-to-play. Mainly because no one with half a brain thinks that.

And as always, didn't you quit? Every time I see you post threads like this, it comes months after your promise to leave the game entirely.

What does his decision to quit have to do with the topic? Im a bit confused as he has to be subbing to be able to speak on here. So its unclear where youre leading with this..

Hasn't it been pretty well established that the removal of posting rights on the forums once your sub has expired isn't working as intended?

Hasn't it been pretty well established where this confrontation comes from?

I think you unsubbed yesterday, anyway. Maybe I'm wrong.

Iselin · January 2015

So what are they supposed to say when F2P is always a possibility even if it's 2 or 3 years or more down the line?

If they say "We have no plans to change from a subscription to a free to play model at this time" guess what all the paid-by-the-click bloggers will have as their headline tomorrow:

"They said at this time"

It's the twitter garbage news age. You just have to learn to deal with it.

Slurg · January 2015

I wish I could find the link again but can't on my phone. Someone posted a quote in another thread recently from an interview one of the senior staffers had with a magazine. He said that ZOS doesn't respond to rumors and speculation. If you aren't getting an answer about some wild rumor, it's probably because the forum moderators don't want to get on the bad side of that guy.

Does anyone have a link to this they can post in all these desperate cry for attention threads that pop up every day?

RazielSR · January 2015

Iselin wrote: »

So what are they supposed to say when F2P is always a possibility even if it's 2 or 3 years or more down the line?

If they say "We have no plans to change from a subscription to a free to play model at this time" guess what all the paid-by-the-click bloggers will have as their headline tomorrow:

"They said at this time"

It's the twitter garbage news age. You just have to learn to deal with it.

I agree, but myabe if there are thousands of people talking about this, an statement will lead to less people. Not everybody is gonna extract assumptions like the one you say. On the contrary, if they don't say a word, a lot more assumptions are gonna happen.

You see the forum? Isn't the people tired of topics talking about f2p? Maybe it is because of ZOS silence? What if each time that a new f2p topic appears you coould just post with a quote by zos statement saying "no, its not going f2p and our gols hasn't changed" and the topic would get blocked?

Korah_Eaglecry · January 2015

Tandor wrote: »

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

To my knowledge, no one has left because they think the game might end up going free-to-play. Mainly because no one with half a brain thinks that.

And as always, didn't you quit? Every time I see you post threads like this, it comes months after your promise to leave the game entirely.

What does his decision to quit have to do with the topic? Im a bit confused as he has to be subbing to be able to speak on here. So its unclear where youre leading with this..

Hasn't it been pretty well established that the removal of posting rights on the forums once your sub has expired isn't working as intended?

Well established where exactly? Im sorry if I dont keep up with the Player News Network. But I have yet to run into anyone who is 'posting yet unsubbed'.

When I unsubbed I was not able to post and infact had to contact Support to post once I resubbed.

But sure. Lets pretend as if theres some information EVERYONE is supposed to know that obviously not everyone could possibly know.

JessieColt · January 2015

RazielSR wrote: »

Brasseurfb16_ESO wrote: »

Bah, the removal of the 6 month subscribtion is probably a new strategy used to make free publicity. In about 2 or 3 months, that option will probably come back and they'll send a note saying they listened to our valuable feedback and thus are adding back the option into the subscribtion models.

I see it strange,but it could be...Well,but what about stopping the f2p thing? Just saying NO,ITS NOT GOING F2P.
I dont see a good strategy the way it is now.

Except they HAVE said this. And even when they did, there were still a bunch of people who didn't believe them and still ran here to the forums to speculate on when the game may go F2P.

ZOS has said from the beginning that they are going with the subscription model for the game. Still people do not believe them.

Until ZOS comes out and says publicly that the model is changing then everything that is published is rumor and speculation.

If you are concerned that the game may go F2P, then pay month to month for your sub. This way you do not pay in advance if the model changes and you wont show back up here demanding a refund.

Personally, I do not understand why some people are so blaster concerned about what they company may or may not do with the game with regards to the whether or not the game is, will, or could possibly, go F2P.

If you like the game, then play it, and stop fretting about what might or might not happen that users absolutely have no control over.

ZOS_AlexD · January 2015

Hello everyone, this conversation is quickly devolving into personal comments and jabs instead of staying on topic. We understand that sometimes conversations can become heated when you don't see eye-to-eye, but you'll just have to agree to disagree. If the conversation cannot return to the topic at hand and continues to resort to personal comments, we will close this thread. Thank you for your understanding.

TehMagnus · January 2015

There you go, silence has been broken. Feelin' better?

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO · January 2015

“The Elder Scrolls Online was designed and developed to be a premium experience, hundreds of hours of gameplay, tons of depth and features, professional customer support - and a commitment to have ongoing content at regular intervals after launch. This type of experience is best paired with a one-time fee per month, as opposed to many smaller payments that would probably add up to more than $14.99/month anyway.” - Matt Firor President ZOS

There you go official word given.

Morshire · January 2015

So I can see the concern from the OP, but I think this topic is being seen only one way. ZOS has said numerous times that ESO is not going F2P, yet the rumors persist. Would another denial really change that? On the sub, they also have said it was because not many people were using it. I personally agree with what someone else has said and that was something to the effect that ZOS makes $1-$2 dollars more each month per player by removing the 6 month option (for those that had been using it). More money for the company, which means less need for the F2P option. As to the rumors and "bad press" - well any company will tell you that there is no such thing as bad press. All these rumors and speculation is generating a lot of buzz about ESO. The plant I work in has about 1k people. In the last month, ESO has been the topic for gaming because so many people want to either know if the game is going F2P (they don't want to pay the sub) or they are asking if it is worth the money. Either way you look at it, it is causing people to talk about ESO, driving traffic this way.
I am not saying this is "absolutely" what is happening, but I would rather see all sides of the dice (as it were) rather than tear my hair out trying to figure it out. Seriously, with the CP thing and all the update stuff, do you really believe that ZOS is going to add more to the ever growing list of stuff they are trying to accomplish for 1.6 and 1.7? If you do, I doubt ZOS "officially" stating anything is going to fix that, nor will ZOS ever say "officially" that they will "never, ever, ever, infinity" go F2P. That means, there will always be room to speculate.

No offense to the OP or others concerned on the matter, I just think we need to look at the sum of the parts and not the specific gears.

Tandor · January 2015

RazielSR wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

To my knowledge, no one has left because they think the game might end up going free-to-play. Mainly because no one with half a brain thinks that.

And as always, didn't you quit? Every time I see you post threads like this, it comes months after your promise to leave the game entirely.

What does his decision to quit have to do with the topic? Im a bit confused as he has to be subbing to be able to speak on here. So its unclear where youre leading with this..

Hasn't it been pretty well established that the removal of posting rights on the forums once your sub has expired isn't working as intended?

Hasn't it been pretty well established where this confrontation comes from?

I think you unsubbed yesterday, anyway. Maybe I'm wrong.

Me? I am here for the long term, currently on a 90 days sub. What I said recently was that I would jump at the chance of lifetime membership. I'm not going anywhere.

Tandor · January 2015

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

To my knowledge, no one has left because they think the game might end up going free-to-play. Mainly because no one with half a brain thinks that.

And as always, didn't you quit? Every time I see you post threads like this, it comes months after your promise to leave the game entirely.

What does his decision to quit have to do with the topic? Im a bit confused as he has to be subbing to be able to speak on here. So its unclear where youre leading with this..

Hasn't it been pretty well established that the removal of posting rights on the forums once your sub has expired isn't working as intended?

Well established where exactly? Im sorry if I dont keep up with the Player News Network. But I have yet to run into anyone who is 'posting yet unsubbed'.

When I unsubbed I was not able to post and infact had to contact Support to post once I resubbed.

But sure. Lets pretend as if theres some information EVERYONE is supposed to know that obviously not everyone could possibly know.

I based my comment on the numerous claims on these forums from people who said they were still able to post despite their sub having lapsed, and in some cases from people who said they had played in beta but never subsequently subscribed. They may all be pulling the wool over our eyes, hence my phrasing it as a question rather than as a statement of fact.

Destai · January 2015

Seems like a portion of the MMO community wants to brand every new game as a failure and pronounce its descent into f2p. Sadly, there's very little a company can do to assure a lifecycle commitment to p2p. If people don't see the game as a cultural phenomenon, they see it as a failure. My personal opinion is that if p2p is not sustainable for Zenimax, they'd at least respect themselves enough to go b2p. ESO really is among the few games that still feels like a world and is worth playing. Let's hope that doesn't change.

badmojo0777b14_ESO · January 2015

a company doesn't acknowledge, comment on, or defend every comment by idiotic rumor mongering trolls. if they did they wouldn't have time for anything else, and it would only encourage those who enjoy doing the crap.

ive been hearing for over a year how ZOS NEEDs to tell us this, ZOS should tell us that, its ZOS responsibility to blah blah blah, its their responsibility to produce and develop a quality gaming experience to the best of their abilities. they aren't perfect and they make mistakes ( it is their first MMO but ive seen them go the extra mile on more than one occasion to listen to their customers.

the problem here is the modern gamer and the society we live in with their HUGE sense of entitlement. you pay your sub fee, and you play the game if you enjoy it. if you dont enjoy it unsub. thats it, nothing more. no one OWES US anything. this isn't a troll, and is not meant in any form of disrespect , its a simple lesson that our society and a lot of gamers just need to learn

The_Great_Maldini · January 2015

It's not hurting the game in the least. It is just causing a very small segment of the game population speculate and whine on the forum. The End.

Epsilon_Echo · January 2015

e.chiesa73b16_ESO · January 2015

RazielSR wrote: »

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

RazielSR wrote: »

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

To my knowledge, no one has left because they think the game might end up going free-to-play. Mainly because no one with half a brain thinks that.

And as always, didn't you quit? Every time I see you post threads like this, it comes months after your promise to leave the game entirely.

Why are u always like that? You always follow my posts like a maniac. If you read my posts as you say. You would now why I left AND WHY I WAS BACK AND WHAT I DID WHEN I WAS BACK.

And where am i saying im gonna leave? Please tell me where?
Are u one of those living 4 months ago?
Your post is just stupid and you just want to bash other opinions. In fact your whole life is here in the forum. Get a life,you have more posts in this forum than neurons.

As you may have realized, I don't follow your posts. I simply notice when you post a new topic that the vast majority of people disagree with, and I think, "Hey, didn't that guy quit forever ago?"

ZO has taken the mature route here and simply ignored pointless threads. I wish they'd just delete them, but it would only give rise to more pointless threads.

You do read my posts,like a maniac. Since when I said here what I didnt like about the game. Thing is that you extract just what you want because you have a personal crusade against me.
You have no life and you are always bashing users that does not think like you. And if you say the vast majority disagree with me...in fact you dont have a life outside this forum. Log to the game and see the conversations in guilds and zones.

Well, in game really NOBODY talk about subscription plans. You really are a vocal minority, but nothing more than that.

The problem is so simple that I find amazing the lack of logic you are showing.
No company EVER has said that its plan was to go f2p.

So ZOS has only 2 options:
- say they won't, but it would mean nothing: they could already be working on the f2p conversion
- stay silent, and, well, do as they please with their game

Again, what can they do to reassure you?