Will CP be earned at a rate faster or slower than 1 per 200k XP after 1.6?

Divinius · January 2015

Since (at least as far as I've seen) ZOS has not mentioned anywhere exactly what the rate for CP accrual will be after 1.6 goes live, we don't know whether the rate will be better or worse than the formula they are using for the conversion. This might matter a bit to people who don't already have enough VR levels across their characters to cap out the CP obtainable from conversion.

If it's slower, then it would be better to get 14 VR levels worth of XP before the update, to make sure and cap out the 70 CP you can get from the conversion. But if it ends up being faster, then it might (arguably) make some sense to hold off, and have more options for gaining XP available, to gain CP with after the update.

I don't intend this topic to be a debate over whether it's actually better to wait or not, since arguments could be made to level to VR14 before the update even if the rate does end up being faster. I'm just interested in getting people's "gut feelings" about whether the rate will be faster or slower, and why they feel that way.

Think of the poll like a game. If you had to bet, which would you pick, and why?

Edit for clarification:
The "I have no idea" option is just meant for people that feel that it is equally likely to go either way. Obviously none of us knows yet. In retrospect, given the intended spirit of this poll, I probably shouldn't have included this option...

Aett_Thorn · January 2015

How would any of us have any clue until 1.6 is put on the PTS?

Nestor · January 2015

I think the CP rate will be faster -- less than 200k XP per CP

Anything at this time is a guess. Based on what they say currently about how much time it takes to gain a CP and how much time it takes to gain a VR Rank, I am willing to guess that it will be less than 200K equivalent per CP.

We also don't know how various Exp will translate into CPs. Will quest completions give more or less than grinding out mobs for the same amount of time spent? Will we get CPs for crafting exercises? How much do we get for discovering a new location? Just some examples of things that can factor into this that we don't know much about at this time.

Sallington · January 2015

I honestly have no idea

One of the only polls where there is actually a correct answer.

Nihil · January 2015

I think the CP rate will be slower -- more than 200k XP per CP

my guess is based on the idea that we get 5 CP per veteran rank at the moment and I heard that we are suppose to on average get a CP every 4 hours. Seeing as there intended speed for Veteran rank lvl is like 12 -15 hours, this leads me to believe that it will be more then 200k exp IF you have no enlightenment. If you have enlightenment it will probably be faster then the current 200 exp.

Divinius · January 2015

I think the CP rate will be slower -- more than 200k XP per CP

Aett_Thorn wrote: »

How would any of us have any clue until 1.6 is put on the PTS?

No one knows, that's why there's a poll asking for guesses.

Sallington wrote: »

One of the only polls where there is actually a correct answer.

Yup! We just don't know it yet.

Think of the poll like a game. If you had to bet, which would you pick, and why?

We can find out who was right when 1.6 is released. Keep in mind that even the PTS won't guarantee anything, since they may choose to make the rate artificially fast on there so people can play with the points...

Divinius · January 2015

I think the CP rate will be slower -- more than 200k XP per CP

Nihil wrote: »

this leads me to believe that it will be more then 200k exp IF you have no enlightenment. If you have enlightenment it will probably be faster then the current 200 exp.

I've not seen the details of the "Enlightenment" system. But it sounds like you are saying that enlightenment will actually change the number of XP required for a CP, and not simply change the rate at which you get XP?

Slurg · January 2015

I honestly have no idea

Divinius wrote: »

Aett_Thorn wrote: »

How would any of us have any clue until 1.6 is put on the PTS?

No one knows, that's why there's a poll asking for guesses.

Sallington wrote: »

One of the only polls where there is actually a correct answer.

Yup! We just don't know it yet.

Think of the poll like a game. If you had to bet, which would you pick, and why?

We can find out who was right when 1.6 is released. Keep in mind that even the PTS won't guarantee anything, since they may choose to make the rate artificially fast on there so people can play with the points...

I like the I have no idea option because at this point it's the only technically correct one. But if we use history as our guide..

My guess is it will start out faster, and then the people who think that's unfair will throw temper tantrums and threaten to rage quit through dozens of new forum threads and support tickets every day, and ZOS will change it to be much slower.

fromtesonlineb16_ESO · January 2015

I honestly have no idea

Actually, I wanted to vote for the "what a pointless poll" option but there wasn't one.

No, seriously, what is the point of this poll when the OP says (s)he doesn't want to debate it and no one knows so it's entirely guesswork .. not least because ZOS have proved quite capable of taking the 'illogical' route on several contentious issues before .. ironically going for VR in the first place against a lot of dissent.

Divinius · January 2015

I think the CP rate will be slower -- more than 200k XP per CP

fromtesonlineb16_ESO wrote: »

Actually, I wanted to vote for the "what a pointless poll" option but there wasn't one.

No, seriously, what is the point of this poll when the OP says (s)he doesn't want to debate it?

You can debate what you think will happen all you want. I'm just saying that debating what people should do in each situation wasn't intended, as there's at least 2 other topics on that.

But by all means, feel free to debate it anyway in this topic as well if you like. Just seemed redundant.

Oh, and "he" for the record.

Nihil · January 2015

I think the CP rate will be slower -- more than 200k XP per CP

Divinius wrote: »

Nihil wrote: »

this leads me to believe that it will be more then 200k exp IF you have no enlightenment. If you have enlightenment it will probably be faster then the current 200 exp.

I've not seen the details of the "Enlightenment" system. But it sounds like you are saying that enlightenment will actually change the number of XP required for a CP, and not simply change the rate at which you get XP?

Details are not forthcoming with the enlightenment system as they didn't explain how it will interact with the veteran system. So I guess it is another guess.

I don't think it will change how much xp you need, still multiplying the xp gained for computing purposes, but change the realtive time in comparison to a veteran level (when they are both simultaniously in place) otherwise people will be flying through veteran levels extremely fast and throwing off the leveling curve for that area (thus making them get less xp / cp). As enlightenment is only suppose to affect CP points (to my knowledge) I don't think it is actually giving you more xp too skills or level ups.

SO example of what I think. Mob gives 100 xp normally, you get 100 xp to the veteran rank and towards your next CP. You earn quite a bit of enlightenment, so you kill the same mob get 100 xp towards veteran rank and 400 xp towards CP (guess and arbritrary numbers).

Tankqull · January 2015

I think the CP rate will be slower -- more than 200k XP per CP

regarding their statement of 4h per CP with their attitude to destroy grinds questing (slowly) would deliver around 500k XPs in that time so that would be my guess 500k xps.

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO · January 2015

I think the CP rate will be slower -- more than 200k XP per CP

my guess is around double, 400k for a champion point..

Exstazik · January 2015

I think the CP rate will be slower -- more than 200k XP per CP

I think that 200k xp Per 1 CP is a reward for vr1-vr14 characters.....and our horizontal progression=our achievements

Nihil · January 2015

I think the CP rate will be slower -- more than 200k XP per CP

finally found the thread
"While our intended goal is for it to take the average person 12-15 hours to gain a Veteran Rank, our QA team regularly gains Veteran Ranks on live in 8-10 hours or less. We've also witnessed you, our players, beating that time quite often, too. So, the 12-15 hour estimate is a baseline standard—mileage may vary (and it often does.)"

found in http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/139486/experience-versus-veteran-point-gain
so if we use that as a base line... My guess would be 266,666 xp - 333,333 xp.

Divinius · January 2015

I think the CP rate will be slower -- more than 200k XP per CP

My guess was based solely on the fact that it was stated at least 3 times, clearly, that "this will NOT be the rate used for CP later" when talking about the 200k -> 1 CP conversion. The way that was posted, and the frequency translates in my mind to "it's going to be higher than that, and we don't want you complaining about it when it is!"

But I could be wrong.

Slurg wrote: »

My guess is it will start out faster, and then the people who think that's unfair will throw temper tantrums and threaten to rage quit through dozens of new forum threads and support tickets every day, and ZOS will change it to be much slower.

Actually, this is likely to be the most accurate prediction...

Exstazik · January 2015

I think the CP rate will be slower -- more than 200k XP per CP

Someone pls link thread where ZOS confirmed that CP will be earned throw grinding XP:)

Nihil · January 2015

I think the CP rate will be slower -- more than 200k XP per CP

Exstazik wrote: »

Someone pls link thread where ZOS confirmed that CP will be earned throw grinding XP:)

you made me look a little while for this one XD

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

If I'm following correctly (brain is fried), any points you receive from the conversion pool go straight into the big pool of Champion Points that you can use with any character on your account. Going off your example, if you have a full VR14 you'll get 70 Points - this is correct. Your VR3 can also use these 70 Points. You won't necessarily get 5 CPs once you ding VR4 (honestly not sure what the conversion is once the system is live, just that gaining XP gives you Points). That said, if you later earn 5 CPs, then you can use 5 CPs with each character.

edit: note everything not in game is always subject to change.

Robocles · January 2015

Nihil wrote: »

Exstazik wrote: »

Someone pls link thread where ZOS confirmed that CP will be earned throw grinding XP:)

you made me look a little while for this one XD

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

If I'm following correctly (brain is fried), any points you receive from the conversion pool go straight into the big pool of Champion Points that you can use with any character on your account. Going off your example, if you have a full VR14 you'll get 70 Points - this is correct. Your VR3 can also use these 70 Points. You won't necessarily get 5 CPs once you ding VR4 (honestly not sure what the conversion is once the system is live, just that gaining XP gives you Points). That said, if you later earn 5 CPs, then you can use 5 CPs with each character.

edit: note everything not in game is always subject to change.

Translation: We don't know what the hell they are doing.

starlizard70ub17_ESO · January 2015

I honestly have no idea

I think Gina herself said ESO devs were still working out exactly how CP are going to be earned. (how fast, how many, etc.) So if ESO doesn't know, then it stands to reason none of us have a clue. I'd say level up enough to get those 70 CPs at the start. (it takes a total of 16VR levels between all your charactors to ensure you hit the 70CP cap.)

Heishi · January 2015

I think the CP rate will be slower -- more than 200k XP per CP

At one point I believe they had said something like 1CP should take like a few hours to earn, but I'm expecting it to be closer to the current VR levels. Call me crazy, but ZOS seems to have a tendency to overdo it and back off rather than under do it and raise it up

Moonshadow66 · January 2015

No one knows before it's live, so how could I possibly vote?

Tankqull · January 2015

I think the CP rate will be slower -- more than 200k XP per CP

Robocles wrote: »

Nihil wrote: »

Exstazik wrote: »

Someone pls link thread where ZOS confirmed that CP will be earned throw grinding XP:)

you made me look a little while for this one XD

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

If I'm following correctly (brain is fried), any points you receive from the conversion pool go straight into the big pool of Champion Points that you can use with any character on your account. Going off your example, if you have a full VR14 you'll get 70 Points - this is correct. Your VR3 can also use these 70 Points. You won't necessarily get 5 CPs once you ding VR4 (honestly not sure what the conversion is once the system is live, just that gaining XP gives you Points). That said, if you later earn 5 CPs, then you can use 5 CPs with each character.

edit: note everything not in game is always subject to change.

Translation: We don't know what the hell they are doing.

more like "They dont know what the hell they are doing..."

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