Huntler wrote: »

A RPer? GET HIM.

Lol, this one isn't role playing. Read Gank's signature, this one is very skilled at ironic pretention.

The game world should belong to ALL players. And the game makers are responsible for trying to create an environment where all players can enjoy the game.

Right now this is lacking. PVP players can't enjoy Thornblade due to lag and long queus. PVE players find their trainings and events disrupted when they lose buffs. Some players are good enough to not need, but other players who are practicing find much content to be daunting when faced at a handicapp.

I see players state "PVP buffs should not apply outside Cyrodil" but then too many wouldn't bother with PVP at all. If nothing else, all the recent stirring, has driven a lot more people to take another look at PVP.

I think the best overall solution would be to have the PVP buffs that are earned based on participation and, once earned, are maintained for long enough to be enjoyed. If PVE players had to jump into Cyrodil, flip the server, grab the scrolls, get emperor, and get up to at least campaign teir 1 every week to get their buffs, you can bet they'd do it, and they'd be a lot less discouraged if the PVP players ran in and flipped everything back the next morning before all the PVE events even took place. I'd personally rather see under-dog buffs applied within the campaigns, and the motivation to keep the scrolls and keeps would be better end of campaign rewards. I got the 3rd teir reward last campaign, and I can earn better loot farming a public dungeon for a half hour.

Current Scenario: A certain trouble maker tells a restive and unruly guild leader that it's plain old SHAMEFUL to have been playing 9 months and not even attempted Aetherian Archive once. They proceed to get their guild out in force on Tuesday and stomp all over any opposition completely securing all buffs. They then pass out, happy, and wake up the next day to drag said unruly PVPer stam based nightblade into AA. Meanwhile EP and DC come back for revenge, notice the total lack of any real defense from AD, wipe the server and the training group is left with a bunch of unruly noobcake stam-based nightblades with no buffs in AA. I think everyone knows how this story will end... Unfortunately it can easily lead to the PVPers not bothering to try the trials because failing is no fun, and the PVEers to not bother with Cyrodil because the buffs are too tenuous.

True. Last time I was in Haderus while red was stomping all over AD and bragging about how badass they were since AD had more pop... there was 1-2 entire guild groups attempting to help newbies out by doing skyshard runs. The whole thing was pretty pathetic

Death to buff campaigns. they are a plague upon PvP, and any player that thinks they need PvP buffs to do PvE content is deluded.

If there is a guild that will not do a trial until they have their precious PvP buffs, and are willing to gate camp(with the emp gate camping) to defend those buffs, then those players are absolute garbage.


That is how it is. I and every other EP player that has been on haderus for... who knows how long at this point, will continue to liberate haderus from dominion control. When the dominion has proven themselves worthy of the buffs, they will then be able to have them for PvE. until then, gate camping and nightcapping wont do squat.

I imagine its the same for chillrend and Azuras star.

I'm actually surprised buff servers are still a thing. Didn't they say back during 1.4 when dyes came out that they were doing away with buffs carrying over into PvE?

Cody: When and how COULD a faction "prove" themselves worthy in your mind? Do you believe that the EP PVE players on Azura's are any stronger or more deserving? Actually at this point it seems to me that the AD groups have gotten a lot stronger, largely because of being forced to defend while being double teamed for weeks on end.

Galadin: I don't think anyone has said the buffs are necessary for PVE (unless saddled with a bunch of PVPer noobs or other inexperienced players who aren't built right for PVE.. which is where I usually find myself preferring to help on on trainings) The important thing to consider, if you appreciate the PvE players coming into PvP.... how long would you keep going back to defend a buff if each time you did it, your hard work was lost again before you could enjoy the fruits of your labor. Having the servers TOO competitive and chaotic will mean there is no reward for doing it. Make the servers better by spreading your efforts around, I truly hope and applaud if you were part of the dethroning on Chillrend this week!

ElfFromSpace wrote: »

Cody: When and how COULD a faction "prove" themselves worthy in your mind? Do you believe that the EP PVE players on Azura's are any stronger or more deserving? Actually at this point it seems to me that the AD groups have gotten a lot stronger, largely because of being forced to defend while being double teamed for weeks on end.

Galadin: I don't think anyone has said the buffs are necessary for PVE (unless saddled with a bunch of PVPer noobs or other inexperienced players who aren't built right for PVE.. which is where I usually find myself preferring to help on on trainings) The important thing to consider, if you appreciate the PvE players coming into PvP.... how long would you keep going back to defend a buff if each time you did it, your hard work was lost again before you could enjoy the fruits of your labor. Having the servers TOO competitive and chaotic will mean there is no reward for doing it. Make the servers better by spreading your efforts around, I truly hope and applaud if you were part of the dethroning on Chillrend this week!

When the emperor resorts to gate camping, I view the group he was with and him as pure garbage.

As soon as all the AD groups that are responsible for hogging the server learn to stop being selfish and to stop ruining the server for everyone else, I will stop talking s*** about them. Its not even really a matter of skill, its honestly a matter of certain people being selfish a****** and making everyone else look back. Same goes to any buff server.

Gankimus wrote: »

Gank is thrilled! Insults are flying, aspersions are cast, gauntlets thrown, beds made and lines drawn. This one has sand betwixt his toes, he has his noobcake and he eats it too!

Noobcakes are made of moon sugar and khajit fur.

no campaigns belong to anyone, if u want these buffs fight for them, the buffs atm arnt even that great cause of the small numbers we work off ie: spell power ect best buff is honestly the 200+ hp u get at v14, maybe when 1.6 lands and the factors are multiplyed by 10 then i would see 5% buff worth it... but other than that its been fun to have pvp outside of thorn

To make all factions in PvE leaderboards equally competitive it would be good to remove PvP buffs from PvE. So even if we say with the buffs you are about 5% stronger, that would mean 75% of the PvP-campaigns (not counting non vet, trials aren't for non vets anyway) are pretty much dead.

I find it patethic if PvEers think they have to defend "their" buffs in PvE and happily take over a buff server to slaughter them all. I don't go there to farm emp, I go there to destroy the fun for everyone trying to maintain a buff server, and revive that server.

f047ys3v3n wrote: »

For my part I hate it and worse I hate that I have to hate it.

It has been a long time now that PVP buffs have effectively made useless 3 of the 4 campaigns by making them dull buff campaigns with no real fighting. This was not fair to PVP players who, in my opinion as a PVE guy, must certainly be a patient and long suffering lot to put up with the lag and gross class imbalance of that horse simulator.

Now we have a situation where coordinated and well specked PVP guilds have entered the PVE buff campaigns and proven that a well coordinated small group of DK vamps can easily either beat whoever straggles in the door or outlast any well organized and larger guild of PVE players to dominate with much smaller population a buff campaign most of the time. Furthermore, this is a very good way to farm for emp since the campaign will flip back all on it's own the moment you leave. All good and fun to the PVP players, all the noobs you can kill and emps you can crown.

The situation for a PVE player is a bit more grim now as the PVP buffs are of such magnitude that they are a deciding factor in weekly PVE leaderboards and sometimes in content completion. AD PVE players have certainly suffered greatly the loss of Haderous and I think this week EP PVE players may feel the pain as well as their PVP players are in Haderous and their buff campain has proven even more squishy. From the standpoint of a PVE player there is no good solution to this as if you come in with your endgame guild and roll the campaign back as I did with a number of endgame PVE players last week the campain will turn back before your Sanctum run is done because the PVP players you pushed back are more than happy to stay around to take everything back when you go do what it is you want to do.

The bottom line is that for a very long time PVP buffs ruined 3 out of 4 servers for PVP players. Now they are unbalancing weekly leader boards for PVE players. This is not fair to either group of people and I do think that we have two primarily separate groups of people. The buffs have to end for the betterment of all players.

All your buffs are belong to us

Close 1 campaign and obliterate the notion of an "owned" buff server.

Do away with PVE bonuses entirely and fewer people will care about PVP.

Add 1 more campaign and institutionalize buff servers for everyone.

All good options, with things to recommend them that players will adapt too. As long as they do something different from now.

Death to buffcampaigns!

If you can't beat your pve-content without them, you're just not good enough.
I had 2 smooth runs of Sanctum without them yesterday