CP change - Now I gotta change what I'm doing

Tomg999 · January 2015

So now I have to stop perfecting my new character creation (my strategy for the previous 30 CP plan), and tell my VR3 to put down the crafting and grind away this week, while I try to get my 49 up to VR2.
Right?

Harleyquincey · January 2015

Hmmm.. or you know.. you could enjoy the game and play it for what it's worth? Of course, you can try and milk the CP advance bonus as much as possible and for that you'll need as high a VR as possible pretty much (there's already plenty of examples in the dev tracker). But yeah, if you ask me - the only thing you "have to" do is that which you want to do. It's not like 70 CP will be a gap you can never close up to or anything

EQBallzz · January 2015

You aren't really losing anything if you don't get the 70 CP. It's not a gift for doing nothing. It's a conversion of the XP gained in the vet system (unlike the 30 CP thing before that just gave anyone with a V1 30 CP for nothing).

If you level to V14 prior to 1.6 you start with 70 CP but now that vet content is completed and can't be done again. If you start at 50 when 1.6 launches and don't get the 70 CP allotment you will still have all the vet content to go through but you will get the benefit of earning CP while you work your way through it (unlike those who do it prior to 1.6) and you would likely earn more than 70 CP if you are thorough and complete all POI/quests along the way. Even if it's not exact..the difference will likely be minimal.

Slurg · January 2015

I don't think you need to hurry up and drop everything to grind this week. It's not even on PTS yet and we don't have a date for it to go live. You have plenty of time to just keep playing how you want.

Gidorick · January 2015

not really... you have a POOL of 70 to pull from.

as I understand it: If you have multiple VR ranks EACH VR rank will pull from this pool with a max of 70 CPs able to be earned. If you have a maxed out VR14 character you'll get all 70 with one character but you can have a few lower VR characters that will all pull from the pool synergistically.

Qyrk · January 2015

Our advise is, most likely the champion system will go live end of february/march (maybe middle of feb?). Regardless, this should give you enough time to enjoy what the game have to offer. It will not disqualify you if you're not v14 yet, since as others have mentioned you still have a whole lot of content to go through.

Now should you want to grind to v14 and not go through content so that you can come back and do them once 1.6 goes live (again it won't be available until a month/month and a half/two months even from now), then that is your prerogative. But you should really look into why you play this game, and not feel like advancing your characters should be a chore (it shouldn't).

Magnificat · January 2015

How to maximize your Champion points and minimize wasted time before 1.6 is released:

1. Play VR toon(s) until you will earn the full 70 champion points when 1.6 goes live.
2. Stop playing any of your VR toons.
3. Next, play a low level alt until the next step is the one that gets them to level 50 (trying to avoid a spoiler here).
4. Stop playing with that alt.
5. Repeat steps 3 and 4 with other alts until 1.6 goes live.

After you reach the first step above, doing more of Cadwell's solo content WON'T earn you any more CP at the 1.6 release. However, continuing that solo content after 1.6 WILL give you more CP.

After the 1.6 release, lots of players will prefer redoing Cadwell's solo content on their alts to generate addition CPs for their main toons than to run PVP, group content or solo grinding on their mains.

Mettaricana · January 2015

im good already i have enough veteran levels for my account to hit the max conversion

MissBizz · January 2015

Meh. I'm continuing to work on my low level. Whatever is fun for you

DaniAngione · January 2015

One option is to try and rush for the V13 + 800k xp and get 69 CP.

A 69 is way better than 70...

DeLindsay · January 2015

Gidorick wrote: »

not really... you have a POOL of 70 to pull from.

as I understand it: If you have multiple VR ranks EACH VR rank will pull from this pool with a max of 70 CPs able to be earned. If you have a maxed out VR14 character you'll get all 70 with one character but you can have a few lower VR characters that will all pull from the pool synergistically.

If understand your comment correctly then you don't understand how the Champion System is going to work. Champion Points are ACCOUNT wide. Every single character on your account, now and in the future will have exactly the same number of points to spend however they like and be able to respec them individually.

The day 1.6 launches if you have at least 1-VR14 then you get 70 CP (or any other combination that Jessica listed), for every single character. It's not 70 for only that VR14, it's 70 for your level 3 bank alt, 70 for your level 6 Clothing alt, 70 for your level 7 Blacksmithing alt, etc forever (with a cap of 8 characters at any given time). If you delete your level 3 bank alt and make a new one, the moment it's out of the character creation screen it has 70 points to spend. If you earn 1 more point in the first hour of 1.6, you now have 71 points to spend on every single character. This isn't rocket science folks, it's been explained hundreds of times by dozens of people in dozens of threads.

badmojo0777b14_ESO · January 2015

thanks to the new compromise by ZOS, there is no "magic level" to get to for a free 30 points. no one is getting penalized, ZOS is simply awarding CP for what is earned. if you are a full VR1 youll get a few points, the further you progress the more points you get just like a standard progression, play the way you wanna play and youll get exactly what you have earned. the xp to cp conversion might be different after the patch goes live, but I don't see it beinga big issue. youre gonna have to earn those CP one way or the other

Rodario · January 2015

DaniAngione wrote: »

One option is to try and rush for the V13 + 800k xp and get 69 CP.

A 69 is way better than 70...

Actually, a fresh VR 14 doesn't get 70 CP, but 65. It's 5 CP per completed VR, or 1 CP per 200k XP earned past lvl 50.

A fresh VR1 gets 0 points, a fresh VR2 gets 5 points and a VR14 with 1'000'000 XP into the VR bar will get 70.

Tomg999 · January 2015

I appreciate (in both senses of the word) the comments, suggestions, and reminders to focus on what is fun and what I want to do in the game. I just figure that if I know I am going to be doing certain things over the next 3-6 months in the game, I should prioritize them and do anything first that would be advantageous to get done before 1.6. Or at least understand as well as possible what the impact is.
In that vein thanks for the breakdowns/suggestions regarding how one might optimize CP between now & them.

Scamandros · January 2015

For people who tend to be so against grinding you put in a hell of a lot of effort into min/maxing your gains via 'normal' play for an update not coming until next month.
I don't get it

Grunim · January 2015

Tomg999 wrote: »

So now I have to stop perfecting my new character creation (my strategy for the previous 30 CP plan), and tell my VR3 to put down the crafting and grind away this week, while I try to get my 49 up to VR2.
Right?

Which of the two characters do you plan on being your main? I'd just focus on the character that you expect to be your main and level that one up.

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO · January 2015

I am not worried because my VR14 main Kotaro became VR14 when high level VR levels cost like 4-5 million to attain back in the day, not this paltry 1 million a VR rank like it is now, and of course I did way way more content after hitting VR14. So i'm definitely gonna be at the 70 CP cap when 1.6 drops to the live server.

Guppet · January 2015

DaniAngione wrote: »

One option is to try and rush for the V13 + 800k xp and get 69 CP.

A 69 is way better than 70...

Except that would give you 64 points.

Gidorick · January 2015

DeLindsay wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

not really... you have a POOL of 70 to pull from.

as I understand it: If you have multiple VR ranks EACH VR rank will pull from this pool with a max of 70 CPs able to be earned. If you have a maxed out VR14 character you'll get all 70 with one character but you can have a few lower VR characters that will all pull from the pool synergistically.

If understand your comment correctly then you don't understand how the Champion System is going to work. Champion Points are ACCOUNT wide. Every single character on your account, now and in the future will have exactly the same number of points to spend however they like and be able to respec them individually.

The day 1.6 launches if you have at least 1-VR14 then you get 70 CP (or any other combination that Jessica listed), for every single character. It's not 70 for only that VR14, it's 70 for your level 3 bank alt, 70 for your level 6 Clothing alt, 70 for your level 7 Blacksmithing alt, etc forever (with a cap of 8 characters at any given time). If you delete your level 3 bank alt and make a new one, the moment it's out of the character creation screen it has 70 points to spend. If you earn 1 more point in the first hour of 1.6, you now have 71 points to spend on every single character. This isn't rocket science folks, it's been explained hundreds of times by dozens of people in dozens of threads.

Oh I understand that all the characters get the same CP... but as I understand it each of your characters will be awarded CP for their current VR level and XP at the time of the switch. So if you have multiple VR characters you will earn CP for EACH independently. This is JUST for characters that were created before the 1.6 update.

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

[*] If you have multiple Veteran Rank characters, you will receive credit for each Veteran Rank upon logging into each character (provided the account has not reached 70 Champion Points given out in the conversion).

so if you have 3 VR5 characters each will be given 20 CP for each character as you log on with each totaling to 60 CP... if you have 5 VR5 characters you will be given 70 CP (because that's the cap). All CP can be used by all characters, even pre-VR characters

Bloodfang · January 2015

Guppet wrote: »

DaniAngione wrote: »

One option is to try and rush for the V13 + 800k xp and get 69 CP.

A 69 is way better than 70...

Except that would give you 64 points.

Correct.

Though for someone looking into details, you need to earn ~14mil XP across all characters to get 70 Champion Points.

For those confused, When you get from lvl 49 to VR1 that doesn't mean that you earned 1mil XP. It starts tracking from VR1-VR2 (1mil), and so on and on.

Also for anyone that perhaps parked their alt at VR1, ZOS stated a month ago that 1 CP point will equal to 400k XP. That would mean Leveling all the way from VR1-full VR14, would grant you 35 Champion Points.

This is still a subject to change, as they stated in their latest report. However I thought it would be interesting to share this information if it stays the same:

3600 Champion Points would equal to
-> ~1428mil XP
-> ~102 full VR14 characters.
Now you pretty much know what you are dealing with.

Lilarna · January 2015

Magnificat wrote: »

3. Next, play a low level alt until the next step is the one that gets them to level 50 (trying to avoid a spoiler here).
4. Stop playing with that alt.
5. Repeat steps 3 and 4 with other alts until 1.6 goes live.

Why these steps ? You'll get 30 cp for each toon when they hit VR after the patch is through ?

jpatek0501ub17_ESO · January 2015

Lilarna wrote: »

Magnificat wrote: »

3. Next, play a low level alt until the next step is the one that gets them to level 50 (trying to avoid a spoiler here).
4. Stop playing with that alt.
5. Repeat steps 3 and 4 with other alts until 1.6 goes live.

Why these steps ? You'll get 30 cp for each toon when they hit VR after the patch is through ?

No, they can start earning cp 1 pt at a time

AlexDougherty · January 2015

The CP you earn for each VR level is next to nothing compared to the CPs you'll earn when for the same questing when Champion system launches.

Thus I will wait for the launch.

Guppet · January 2015

AlexDougherty wrote: »

The CP you earn for each VR level is next to nothing compared to the CPs you'll earn when for the same questing when Champion system launches.

Thus I will wait for the launch.

The award is actually at an increased rate. Approximately twice what it will be when 1.6 goes live from what we have heard to far. You would need enlightenment bonus to get better than 5CP per million xp.

Natjur · January 2015

There are grind spots that give more exp per hour then doing the quests, so it does not matter what level you are, you will be able to grind CP points at the same speed as anyone else (as long as your V1+). The exp from doing the Silver\Gold quests is not as much as the grind spots.

No matter how many CP point you get given at the start, there will be tons of groups grinding CP points when patch 1.6 goes live.

Lucky most of the new grind spots are in side instances, so there is more then enough for everyone (as long as you can get in a group).

I just wondering how long it will take someone to max out their CP points, cause you know there will be some who will do nothing but grind until they are maxed.

Rev Rielle · January 2015

Tomg999 wrote: »

I appreciate (in both senses of the word) the comments, suggestions, and reminders to focus on what is fun and what I want to do in the game. I just figure that if I know I am going to be doing certain things over the next 3-6 months in the game, I should prioritize them and do anything first that would be advantageous to get done before 1.6. Or at least understand as well as possible what the impact is.
In that vein thanks for the breakdowns/suggestions regarding how one might optimize CP between now & them.

Certainly. Just remember, as others have said; it's a game. Anytime we tell ourselves we should be doing something in-game rather than what we want to be doing, we're doing ourselves a disservice.

Bloodfang · January 2015

AlexDougherty wrote: »

The CP you earn for each VR level is next to nothing compared to the CPs you'll earn when for the same questing when Champion system launches.

Thus I will wait for the launch.

Thats not true though, leveling from VR1-full VR14 will get you approx. 35 Champion points. However it's not really set in stone yet, so it might be even less.

seanvwolf · January 2015

Natjur wrote: »

I just wondering how long it will take someone to max out their CP points, cause you know there will be some who will do nothing but grind until they are maxed.

If they have efficiently reduced their 1mil exp grind to 20 minutes and play 18 hours a day... It would take 67 days of mountain dew, hot pockets and diapers.

At about $5 per12 pack of dew (12 pack consumed daily), $15 for a 15 pack of hot pockets (consuming 3 a day) and about $12 for a pack of 16 MMO aides (conserving at one daiper every other day) you'd be expected to pay about $335 on dew, $60 on hot pockets and $24 on daipers as well as about 2 months worth of ESO subscription.

A total of $449 will get you to 3600 CP in just over 2 months. (You may include lack of a social life an added cost, depending on the value placed by you.)

That doesn't include lack of income, but since it is too variable, I'll let you calculate that. Few people consider the extra costs. You're welcome.

Natjur · January 2015

seanvwolf wrote: »

Natjur wrote: »

I just wondering how long it will take someone to max out their CP points, cause you know there will be some who will do nothing but grind until they are maxed.

If they have efficiently reduced their 1mil exp grind to 20 minutes and play 18 hours a day... It would take 67 days of mountain dew, hot pockets and diapers.

At about $5 per12 pack of dew (12 pack consumed daily), $15 for a 15 pack of hot pockets (consuming 3 a day) and about $12 for a pack of 16 MMO aides (conserving at one daiper every other day) you'd be expected to pay about $335 on dew, $60 on hot pockets and $24 on daipers as well as about 2 months worth of ESO subscription.

A total of $449 will get you to 3600 CP in just over 2 months. (You may include lack of a social life an added cost, depending on the value placed by you.)

That doesn't include lack of income, but since it is too variable, I'll let you calculate that. Few people consider the extra costs. You're welcome.

Or just hire a team overseas for a very small hourly rate to grind for you.

DeLindsay · January 2015

Gidorick wrote: »

Oh I understand that all the characters get the same CP... but as I understand it each of your characters will be awarded CP for their current VR level and XP at the time of the switch. So if you have multiple VR characters you will earn CP for EACH independently. This is JUST for characters that were created before the 1.6 update.

Correct, for the purpose of ONLY the switch to 1.6 going live the system does take into account each Vet character's xp in 200K xp chunks to a total cap of 70 CP per account.

Amsel_McKay · January 2015

Tomg999 wrote: »

So now I have to stop perfecting my new character creation (my strategy for the previous 30 CP plan), and tell my VR3 to put down the crafting and grind away this week, while I try to get my 49 up to VR2.
Right?

Just complain that you are going to quit and spam zone to provide feedback and you will get whatever you want...